Chiefs release Kareem Hunt after video from February incident surfaces

[keepthefaith]

10 hours ago, H2o said:

Terry's comments pretty much sum up the situation in my eyes as well. 

 

I disagree with Terry.  A price should be paid by Hunt and quite likely will be, but he should be able to resume his career once he's made amends and demonstrates that he can be a positive to a team on and off the field.  The incident on film certainly isn't good but it's not one which deserves total exile from one's living IMO.  Hunt's public responses already have been very positive and remorseful. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by keepthefaith

[H2o]

12 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

Hunt's public responses already have been very positive and remorseful. 

Of course they have been, because the whole truth finally came out and there's nowhere to hide. He knows he has millions on the line. He could give a sh*t before that. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by H2o

[keepthefaith]

6 minutes ago, H2o said:

Of course they have been, because the whole truth finally came out and there's nowhere to hide. He knows he has millions on the line. He could give a sh*t before that. 

 

Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step.  He's got a long way to go.  Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part).  Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier.  The whole thing is now at the beginning. 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step.  He's got a long way to go.  Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part).  Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier.  The whole thing is now at the beginning. 

Again, he's admitting to and "remorseful" of it AFTER a video came out in which there is no way he can lie his way out of it. Do you expect him to say, "F*** that ho. She deserved it."? It's all for show and salvage purposes. 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

Admitting the mistake and committing to change is the first step.  He's got a long way to go.  Police came to hotel, checked it out, nobody hurt so they didn't pursue it (a mistake on their part).  Now it's being dealt with as it should have been earlier.  The whole thing is now at the beginning. 

 

What do you pursue?  Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt.

[eanyills]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What do you pursue?  Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt.

 

The police body cam footage makes it pretty obvious that the police weren’t going to do anything to make the hotel’s high roller guest/Kareem Hunt look bad that night. Hell, the officers on scene tried to actively destroy all evidence of the event.

 

Of course Hunt wasn’t arrested regardless of what they say now.

Edited December 3, 2018 by eanyills

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, eanyills said:

The police body cam footage makes it pretty obvious that the police weren’t going to do anything to make the hotel’s high roller guest/Kareem Hunt look bad that night. Hell, the officers on scene tried to actively destroy all evidence of the event.

 

Of course Hunt wasn’t arrested regardless of what they say now.

 

Yeah but now we have the evidence.  What do you charge him with?  A felony?  A misdemeanor even?  Do you charge her?

[eanyills]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah but now we have the evidence.  What do you charge him with?  A felony?  A misdemeanor even?  Do you charge her?

Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint.

 

The real problem, unrelated to Hunt, is Cleveland Police not checking the video or arresting Hunt once the victim asked them to. At that point, he should have been arrested.

 

I’m way more upset about the corrupt policing that’s going unnoticed than Hunt’s actions (which were wrong and he should be suspended). I mean, there’s a video of the cops asking Hunt if he wants them to turn their body cams off, confiscating cell phones with video at the request of the hotel/Hunt, and arresting a witness for witnessing Kareem Hunt commit a crime!

Edited December 3, 2018 by eanyills

[Max Fischer]

20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think I understand where you're coming from.  And it sounds like a marvelous moral high ground stance.

 

But is it?  I tend to think it's a bit more complicated.

 

Football has violence at its core.  As Eric Wood was quoted, "you can do things on a football field that are severely illegal anywhere else".  So NFL football players are carefully selected, offense and defense, for being willing and able to unleash a certain fairly high level of violence every time they play, whistle to whistle.   Successful players "bring the nasty."  Even cerebral, best-behaved-off-field players.  Retired-to-pursue-MIT-PhD OLman John Urshel said “There’s a rush you get when you go out on the field, lay everything on the line and physically dominate the player across from you,” he wrote. “This is a feeling I’m (for lack of a better word) addicted to, and I’m hard-pressed to find anywhere else.”

So you take guys who are the very best of the best at laying down controlled violence between the whistles on a football field, many of whom come from a cultural background where they're taught from a young age "don't take nothing from no one, not ever"

 

Yet you are Shocked, Shocked to find that some of them struggle with the "turn it off and put it away when the whistle blows"?  In contrast, this is my surprised face. 

 

Come on.

I'm not saying that Hunt's behavior towards that woman wasn't despicable (to borrow whatdrought's word).  Just because something isn't surprising, or is something some young players have to learn, doesn't mean it's right.

 

I'm saying that to paint it as a binary thing where either Hunt gets permanently voted off NFL Island or "we have to accept a certain level of violence and behavior", when a certain level of violence is in fact intrinsic to American football, strikes me as simplistic.

 

No, wrong. Sorry, that’s a cop out. If this was true, football, hockey players and boxers would be cited for violence-related acts at a far higher rate than the rest of the population (especially if adjusted for getting targeted because of their profession). I’d bet that you see football players are no more prone to kicking women than say an office of accountants. What about prison guards?  Any stats to show that they are much more violent?  You’d certainly think so give that it’s a high stress, low pay job whereby they can get killed on a daily basis. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

11 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Josh Brown bro, Josh Brown. Not Josh Gordon, can you elaborate?

 

Kind of hilarious your mind went straight to Josh Gordon though

 

Point, proven? 

 

 

 

I had to google him i didnt know who he was.

 

Just read up on him, and yeah he sounds like quite the esteemed individual. Now i know. 

[TwistofFate]

Not even close to Ray Rice, and you're kidding yourself if you think so.   

 

A push to a drunk broad for reasons unknown, is not the same thing as KO'ing your fiance in an elevator then trying to pick her up. 

 

He pushed some drunk skank, who clearly kept coming at him.   The kick???   Please.   Not even close to brutal. 

 

This isn't abuse.  This isn't brutal. 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by TwistofFate

[Doc]

8 hours ago, eanyills said:

Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint.

 

The real problem, unrelated to Hunt, is Cleveland Police not checking the video or arresting Hunt once the victim asked them to. At that point, he should have been arrested.

 

I’m way more upset about the corrupt policing that’s going unnoticed than Hunt’s actions (which were wrong and he should be suspended). I mean, there’s a video of the cops asking Hunt if he wants them to turn their body cams off, confiscating cell phones with video at the request of the hotel/Hunt, and arresting a witness for witnessing Kareem Hunt commit a crime!

 

Money gets you out of a lot of things.  But in this case, there wasn't nearly enough to arrest him without arresting her as well. 

[keepthefaith]

10 hours ago, eanyills said:

Now, nothing. And honestly, with how policing works in practice in this country, most urban departments aren’t making an arrest for a fight like that, even if they witness it without a victim filling out a complaint.

 

 

 

This is very true. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

What do you pursue?  Looks like two drunken fools where no one got hurt.

 

Maybe a minor assault/battery charge and maybe underage drinking for a couple of them at which point the girls might prefer that the incident not be pursued criminally. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by keepthefaith

[YoloinOhio]

 

[dpberr]

You'd think these guys in this era of #metoo, video everywhere and endless examples of nothing good happening after midnight in bars/hotels/casinos, they'd exercise a hell of a lot more situational awareness and stay the hell home and do whatever they are going to do...there. 

 

If you're making millions of dollars or on track to be a multi-millionaire, you don't need to be in these places.  Ever.  

 

 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/3/2018 at 5:42 AM, Max Fischer said:

 

No, wrong. Sorry, that’s a cop out. If this was true, football, hockey players and boxers would be cited for violence-related acts at a far higher rate than the rest of the population (especially if adjusted for getting targeted because of their profession). I’d bet that you see football players are no more prone to kicking women than say an office of accountants. What about prison guards?  Any stats to show that they are much more violent?  You’d certainly think so give that it’s a high stress, low pay job whereby they can get killed on a daily basis. 

 

I don't even know where to start with this. 

 

I'll start with asking you:

How am I supposed to see whether or not football players are more prone to kicking women than accountants? 

Or for that matter, how are you supposed to see that?

Remember I'm a "cop out", so be sure to spell it out clearly.  What's your method?   What's your monitoring technique?

However, based upon data available, Nate Silver would appear to disagree with you.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/
 

(the author is Ben Morris, but 538 is Nate Silver's site)

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[The_Dude]

Goodell deserves the ax for this. But he’s a spineless coward. So I bet he avoids any responsibility. 

[3rdand12]

11 hours ago, dpberr said:

You'd think these guys in this era of #metoo, video everywhere and endless examples of nothing good happening after midnight in bars/hotels/casinos, they'd exercise a hell of a lot more situational awareness and stay the hell home and do whatever they are going to do...there. 

 

If you're making millions of dollars or on track to be a multi-millionaire, you don't need to be in these places.  Ever.  

 

 

 

 

and yet. the opposite seems to be the trend. money buys influence and leverage.

wrong is still wrong. But that line gets more blurred everyday in the younger generation.
even when the technology was not avaialble. Very little good occurs after midnight when out and about.
this is turning into an extreme Character problem for Hunt, thank goodness.
But Jerry Jones is watching it closely, and he a fine moderator for league values and ethics

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What a BS statement.  What repercussions should a team get?  You sign him when he can't play so we penalize you for $1mm.   You gave the guy a chance and signed him and he didn't do it under your watch - he can't play and never played for you - we are taking your 5th.

 

God the news is stupid these days.   Bleacher report has always set that bar so high

[Capco]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but what does being put on the commissioner's exempt list even mean?

Edited December 5, 2018 by Capco

[Doc]

24 minutes ago, Capco said:

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but what does being put on the commissioner's exempt list even mean?

 

It means you're suspended until he says you're not.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[row_33]

On 12/4/2018 at 8:57 AM, dpberr said:

You'd think these guys in this era of #metoo, video everywhere and endless examples of nothing good happening after midnight in bars/hotels/casinos, they'd exercise a hell of a lot more situational awareness and stay the hell home and do whatever they are going to do...there. 

 

If you're making millions of dollars or on track to be a multi-millionaire, you don't need to be in these places.  Ever.  

 

 

 

 

 

*****, drive a man crazy

 

[NoSaint]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:56 PM, H2o said:

Again, he's admitting to and "remorseful" of it AFTER a video came out in which there is no way he can lie his way out of it. Do you expect him to say, "F*** that ho. She deserved it."? It's all for show and salvage purposes. 

 

The flip side is did you expect him to go on tv remorsefully even if genuine about his feelings had the tape not come out?of course he wouldn’t.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Capco said:

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but what does being put on the commissioner's exempt list even mean?

 

I believe it means you don't count against your team's active roster and must stay away from team activities, but the team still has to pay you

(vs. being suspended, where they don't)

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000396169/article/what-is-the-reservecommissioner-exempt-list

[YoloinOhio]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[bills6969]

This guy was set to be the next great NFL running back, and in the blink of an eye, his career is over.  Lesson to all young guys in or entering the league:  don't be an idiot.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bills6969 said:

This guy was set to be the next great NFL running back, and in the blink of an eye, his career is over.  Lesson to all young guys in or entering the league:  don't be an idiot.

 

He'll play again. 

[row_33]

On 12/5/2018 at 9:28 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I believe it means you don't count against your team's active roster and must stay away from team activities, but the team still has to pay you

(vs. being suspended, where they don't)

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000396169/article/what-is-the-reservecommissioner-exempt-list

 

they have a catch-all to take care of unforeseen emergencies affecting the roster?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Gotta love the 'one night out' narrative trying to minimize the incident;  as if Hunt was an altar boy his whole life until 'one night out'.   Let me guess...things somehow got out of control!   

[bills6969]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He'll play again. 

 

Doubtful. This isn't all that different to the Ray Rice situation.

 

He won't play this year or next. That's alot of lost playing/practicing time .  He likely won't be the same player should he come back.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bills6969 said:

 

Doubtful. This isn't all that different to the Ray Rice situation.

 

He won't play this year or next. That's alot of lost playing/practicing time .  He likely won't be the same player should he come back.

 

It's quite a bit different and some team will surely sign him on a dirt cheap contract as a 23 year old just in his 2nd season after he completes counseling.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He'll play again. 

Agreed, talent trumps controversy in the NFL. There is a list of players you could run down to cite this truth.