T master Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 At the end of this year there will be a bunch of open spots on the Bills roster & more than likely a real good possibility of the need for veteran leadership in some areas of the team . There will also be 2 vets that could hang it up them being Kyle & Lorenzo . I was wondering what Bills fans think should McBean & company bring Kyle & Zo back (or at least offer a contract) next year if they would like to continue to play especially seeing as they are both still contributing at a high level & the Bills have the cap room next year to do so . Kyle has become my all time favorite Buffalo Bill the last few years seeing as he has chosen to stay in Buffalo when he could have went some where else & didn't & the guy is just the ultimate Buffalo Bill he leaves his guts on the field every game & he is loyal to the Bills & no other & one of the best leaders they have seen in a long time !! To add to that after seeing his reaction last year when the Bengals won & put the Bills in the play offs for Kyles first time how could you have watched that & not route for that guy ? Just saying !! Then there is Lorenzo the dud e just keeps brining it every game like Kyle i think it would be a good thing for the team to bring them back so they could possibly experience the play offs one more time for all they have given to the team !! So What do you all think should they bring them back or not ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 They are old enough that it won’t matter to me either way. By next year I don’t expect either would remain healthy for another full 16 games and if they did it most of it would be played at replacement level. Lorax and Kyle both should be offered a coaching/mentor position. They represent the culture that it takes to win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 It's up to the player I'm sure. Doubt they'd say no to Lorax or Meatball. Kyle can still play. Already has 5 sacks. Not bad. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Alexander is someone I love and hate. I hate that he is missed on the field when he's not playing but love the way he plays though I hate that he has to play. He's not particularly good (of course, IMO) but he seldom makes mistakes. When he avoids the mistakes he can make plays unless he is overmatched or physically unable. But he uses his head/smarts to overcome these things and is Steve Tasker of the linebackers. Kyle Williams is as good as any backup DT in the league. For that reason alone he is worth keeping on a rotational basis but I'd be real likely to draft a DT as early as the second on BPA. If both come back so be it. This team has needs and those needs are already at LB and DT. Leaders will come out on their own. Edited November 27, 2018 by Boyst62 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'd be stunned if Lorax was not back next year. This is just year 3 of his ultra-late bloom and I'd imagine he'd want to keep it rolling as long as he can play anything near the level he did in 2016 and has again since late in 2017. Kyle feels slightly different as over 10 years as a starter has to take a toll, but given he has not fallen off much, I have to think he'll want to stick it out a couple more years in hopes of seeing this incarnation bear fruit. And have a hard time seeing the Bills not taking them back, since they have no shortage of cap space and the two are about as archetypal McD "Process" guys as you can get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 While watching the game on Sunday with my brother and nephew, I said I’d bring them both back if they still want to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Alexander is someone I love and hate. I hate that he is missed on the field when he's not playing but love the way he plays. He's not particularly good (of course, IMO) but he seldom makes mistakes. When he avoids the mistakes he can make plays unless he is overmatched or physically unable. But he uses his head/smarts to overcome these things and is Steve Tasker of the linebackers. Kyle Williams is as good as any backup DT in the league. For that reason alone he is worth keeping on a rotational basis but I'd be real likely to draft a DT as early as the second on BPA. If both come back so be it. This team has needs and those needs are already at LB and DT. Leaders will come out on their own. I'd agree with this. They need to plan for their departures regardless because you never know, but I think both are still valuable as rotational players and as leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 If I was a betting man.... I think Lorax comes back. I think Kyle retires. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: If I was a betting man.... I think Lorax comes back. I think Kyle retires. Yeah. Would love to see how Kyle feels and where he thinks this team is at next year, but I believe that is accurate. I believe Lorax will be the Teppo Numminen of the Bills...at least for next year just signing a one year deal and see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I would sign Lorax up for one more year. He has played well this season, knows the system, and is an incredible leader. Kyle, I think retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Yeah. Would love to see how Kyle feels and where he thinks this team is at next year, but I believe that is accurate. I believe Lorax will be the Teppo Numminen of the Bills...at least for next year just signing a one year deal and see where it goes. If Allen lights it up in the last 5 games, then I could see Williams coming back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: If Allen lights it up in the last 5 games, then I could see Williams coming back. Royale, call me crazy, but that is why I believe that winning can be more important than just a few draft positions (and I have no problem with those who disagree with me). If we go 8-8 or (crazy) 9-7?! If Allen goes 7-4 or 8-3?! Man, what that would mean to some of what happens in the off season and this team's potential for next year. Skinner had a no trade clause...why the hell did he waive? Eichel and the potential. Maybe some free agents will think the same thing. Again, just my opinion. Edited November 27, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I would sign Lorax up for one more year. He has played well this season, knows the system, and is an incredible leader. Kyle, I think retires. Lorax creates havoc on the line and really helps our pass rush. I would love to have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I would love for both of them to be back. They can still play. I can see Lorax coming back with Kyle leaning towards retirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think both come back. They both seem to be enjoying this season, and with the offseason restocking at WR, OL, RB, LB, and DL we could undertake, they will want to be a part of next years team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I would sign both to a one year contract if possible with a generous signing bonus. They earned it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: I would sign both to a one year contract if possible with a generous signing bonus. They earned it. in an ideal world, this. If they want to play and accept a low base salary plus incentives, keep'em for sure. It would be awesome for them to experience the turn around of the team. It depends as much on them as the team. As backups they would still be good and bring their immense knowledge and leadership. Some vets like this to continue on playing, some prefer to retire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I would love to have them both back. They are both playing good football this year, and their value as leaders is without question. We still need to get another linebacker to eventually replace Alexander, so it would be even more beneficial to keep him. I could easily see Alexander wanting to come back again next year. I think Kyle has a 50-50 chance of returning, but after last Sunday, and watching Kyle constantly getting fired up out there, I would not be surprised one bit if he returned for next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, T master said: At the end of this year there will be a bunch of open spots on the Bills roster & more than likely a real good possibility of the need for veteran leadership in some areas of the team . There will also be 2 vets that could hang it up them being Kyle & Lorenzo . I was wondering what Bills fans think should McBean & company bring Kyle & Zo back (or at least offer a contract) next year if they would like to continue to play especially seeing as they are both still contributing at a high level & the Bills have the cap room next year to do so . Kyle has become my all time favorite Buffalo Bill the last few years seeing as he has chosen to stay in Buffalo when he could have went some where else & didn't & the guy is just the ultimate Buffalo Bill he leaves his guts on the field every game & he is loyal to the Bills & no other & one of the best leaders they have seen in a long time !! To add to that after seeing his reaction last year when the Bengals won & put the Bills in the play offs for Kyles first time how could you have watched that & not route for that guy ? Just saying !! Then there is Lorenzo the dud e just keeps brining it every game like Kyle i think it would be a good thing for the team to bring them back so they could possibly experience the play offs one more time for all they have given to the team !! So What do you all think should they bring them back or not ?? Great post with great discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 39 minutes ago, Commonsense said: They are old enough that it won’t matter to me either way. By next year I don’t expect either would remain healthy for another full 16 games and if they did it most of it would be played at replacement level. Lorax and Kyle both should be offered a coaching/mentor position. They represent the culture that it takes to win. This is common sense? They both can still play and have remained healthy all season. Who expects to be considered a cripple or replacement next year because their a year older? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 If either wants to continue playing I can’t see any way they don’t offer them a deal. I think they’re already quite deep at tackle so Kyle as a rotational guy certainly does not hurt. Linebacker I fully expect to see addressed in draft or free agency for a stud to pair with cookie and 49.. Lorax can play special teams too so he has value regardless of his actual role. Both are at very worst worthy of decent one year deals as key vet rotational players. I expect to see new starters/upgrades though still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Both look like they can still play and if they want to continue, you'd think the Bills would offer both of them contracts. The Bills can afford to pay these guys something for their leadership even if they aren't starters or full-time players. 1 year deals are low risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Keep both. Both are leaders in the locker room and can pass along vast knowledge to every building block that we draft and sign this off season. Both should be Bills until they decide to retire. Heart and Soul players matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Kyle looked awfully good Sunday! Since the D line is in constant rotation I can definitely see a place for Kyle at the table if he wants to keep ballin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think Kyle would be good on another 1 year contract. The LB free agent pool is pretty strong so I imagine they will look to replace Lorax with a long term starter option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) I think what you'll hear out of Williams is similar to last year. He wants to take some time, talk things over with his family etc. etc. I think ultimately it comes down to whether he thinks the team is going to be a contender in 2019. He certainly will have the ability. Whether he has the desire we have to wait and see. I don't think he gives much thought to his future during the course of a season. I think if he felt this was his last year, we would have already heard rumblings about it. Alexander has already said on One Bills Live that he would like to play another two years and would like to stay with the Bills but he understands it's a business and he'll address his situation in the off season. Personally, I think Beane and McDermott would like to have both players back on deals that work for both sides. It affords them the opportunity to be able to focus on other areas of need. I share this thought process. There are plenty of areas that need to be addressed in Free Agency and the Draft. Why add two more positions to the mix. Edited November 27, 2018 by RobH063 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: This is common sense? They both can still play and have remained healthy all season. Who expects to be considered a cripple or replacement next year because their a year older? Yeah 36 year old DTs are going to have injuries even on a reduced snap count. Just because they have been fortunate this season doesn’t mean it will happen next year. The odds always even out. The rotation has helped preserve him but counting on him going forward would be a mistake. I think Kyle will retire at seasons end anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: They are old enough that it won’t matter to me either way. By next year I don’t expect either would remain healthy for another full 16 games and if they did it most of it would be played at replacement level. Lorax and Kyle both should be offered a coaching/mentor position. They represent the culture that it takes to win. This is a ridiculous post. You just assume they won't be able to remain healthy despite both having a great track record of being healthy? You don't just fall apart when you hit your mid thirties. These guys are two of the hardest working out there and I don't see anything that shows that they are going to be significantly more prone to injuries next season as compared to this one. They might lose a little bit in their ability but just assuming another year will make them unable to avoid injury is complete nonsense. I think the Bills should be looking to sign them each for one more season. Even if we add new players and they have reduced roles, I think having them both around for one more year would be beneficial to the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I’d say most of their futures are in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: This is a ridiculous post. You just assume they won't be able to remain healthy despite both having a great track record of being healthy? You don't just fall apart when you hit your mid thirties. These guys are two of the hardest working out there and I don't see anything that shows that they are going to be significantly more prone to injuries next season as compared to this one. They might lose a little bit in their ability but just assuming another year will make them unable to avoid injury is complete nonsense. I think the Bills should be looking to sign them each for one more season. Even if we add new players and they have reduced roles, I think having them both around for one more year would be beneficial to the defense. 36 Y/O Kyle Williams or Jordan Phillips? Or Dirty Harry in his second year? Like I said above the rotation has allowed Kyle to extend his career. Fast forward another year he is an average DT at best. Our love for Kyle isn’t going to stop Father Time. Counting on him or Lorax to play significant downs would be a mistake. I’d offer both of them reduced roles and contracts and then a position with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Commonsense said: 36 Y/O Kyle Williams or Jordan Phillips? Or Dirty Harry in his second year? Like I said above the rotation has allowed Kyle to extend his career. Fast forward another year he is an average DT at best. Our love for Kyle isn’t going to stop Father Time. Counting on him or Lorax to play significant downs would be a mistake. I’d offer both of them reduced roles and contracts and then a position with the team. Kyle was pretty dominant Sunday, that said he could easily hit the wall next season and be done. That is why if you are going to bring him back it would have to be at a reduced salary. But the notion that his injury risk is going to significantly go up from age 35-36 and that is a reason not to bring him back imo is not valid. Also why would bringing back Kyle negate the Bills from being able to re-sign Jordan Phillips? Edited November 27, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I bring them both back and play them sparingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Kyle was pretty dominant Sunday, that said he could easily hit the wall next season and be done. That is why if you are going to bring him back it would have to be at a reduced salary. But the notion that his injury risk is going to significantly go up from age 35-36 and that is a reason not to bring him back imo is not valid. Also why would bringing back Kyle negate the Bills from being able to re-sign Jordan Phillips? No one said it would negate brining Phillips back, when Kyle is on the field Harrison, Star or Phillips won’t be on it. The injury risk is already sky high. Again, A reduced role and salary would be ideal if he doesn’t retire. His knowledge and personality is worth it even if he is only playing 10 snaps a game. I’m just not sure he would agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 If the Bills end up winning 6 of the last 7 games (or all!), that will give both an incentive to return and "finish the job." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Don't think it's a coincidence that both guys looked good coming off of a bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think McBeane have likely determined that these guys have a job here for as long as they'd like. They can keep doing one-year deals if these guys wanna keep playing. In addition to their on-field production, I'm certain McDermott views their experience and leadership as invaluable to his locker room. If they finish the season trending upward, I think both guys would have an interest in coming back for one more go 'round to see where they can go in 2019 with the youth movement that will have some experience under their belts by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 They both deserve to be back, if they want to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 BTW, from what I have heard on the radio and from Alexander himself is that the guy stays in incredible shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: I think Kyle would be good on another 1 year contract. The LB free agent pool is pretty strong so I imagine they will look to replace Lorax with a long term starter option. SI's recent mock for next year has the Bills taking a lb #1........they failed to consider Milano in their drivel about the Bills lb situation. Oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: No one said it would negate brining Phillips back "36 Y/O Kyle Williams or Jordan Phillips?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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