Was Baker Mayfield a DOUCHE Yesterday?

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

You mean like Hue's media tour after he was fired where he indirectly blamed everybody but himself, and tried to rewrite history by saying he wanted Wentz and Watson? Classless and immature like that?

Guessing you're a Browns fan which is why I think Mayfield made the smart play in trashing Hue.  He was a horrible head coach.  No doubt about it.

 

However, Hue Jackson had nothing but glowing reviews of Mayfield saying he was going to be a sensational player as long as they surrounded him with the right personnel.  If Jackson had anything negative to say about Mayfield then I would applaud Baker's comments.  I think Mayfield will regret these comments as he matures.

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

Maybe he never got along with him. Maybe he didn't agree with his decisions as the head coach. Now that he is gone he can be a little more vocal about it.

 

Hue was a failure as a head coach, so it makes sense to me the Mayfield would realize that from day one and see the evidence of his failures.

 

He probably didn't appreciate the power struggle between Jackson and the offensive and defensive coordinators.

 

I don't blame him at all.

You're right!  After all of this how can Mayfield be expected to be polite for 30 seconds?

[H2o]

This was Mayfield's m.o. coming into the league. He carries a chip for many things. Reporters saying things, coaches, feeling snubbed, doubters, he carries it with him ALL the time. I don't understand this one because Hue got fired and took a job offered to him. Should he have said no? I think not. Mayfield is gonna be a great QB, but he clearly has some growing up to do. 

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

All it shows me is he is an ultra competitor like Brady and Brees, and like Peyton Manning was.  That is what you want in a QB imo.

 

  He's also "all in" on the Browns and wears his loyalty on his sleeve.  One of Mayfield's notable traits in college was that he was a team player who was willing to do whatever was necessary to win  games, and getting a big payday as the #1 overall pick apparently hasn't changed that.

 

Moreover,  Jackson is the one who was a "douche" in this situation for taking a job with a state and divisional rival that the Browns were still to face.  Since Jackson's HC contract was guaranteed, he didn't need to take a job immediately.  He could have waited until the off season to take a new gig or agreed to take the Bengals' job but waited until after the Browns game to actually start.

[Tenhigh]

7 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

My initial reaction was “this kid has no class.”  Yet he’s a kid I guess.  I don’t know.  His behavior in that moment was classless.  I don’t know that I’m ready to completely judge his character though.

All great QBs are jerks.  Just ask Reno Hightower.

[Low Positive]

Given what happened with the DB giving Jackson the ball after the INT and Mayfield’s comments, I think Grego used this “betrayal” as motivation all week to fire up the troops. Kind of like how the Bills used Ramsey’s comments.

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

He clearly disrespected Hue Jackson in his post game interview for seeking gainful employment (after being fired) with a division opponent.

 

There may be more behind the scene re: Mayfield/Jackson, but I thought it was uncouth of him to put Hue on blast on television.  Thoughts?

 

Edit:  

 

 

 

There are a lot of things people do that can be taken as douchey. For me, when people misspell or purposely mispronounce someone's name...I find that rather douchey.

 

From Baker's standpoint, I think it's less that Jackson took a job but rather he didn't do the job he was supposed to, got fired and then did a media circuit to blame everyone else. I found those actions by Hue, a grown man, to be extremely douchey. Baker could have handled it with a more bland response, but he didn't.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

Not too much class.  The guy got fired and got another job. It is not like Jackson walked away on his own accord....

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

The weird part was that Jackson was fired...he didn't quit and sign on with a rival.  I guess he is never allowed to work again!

Only when bratty baker says he can and he has to run it by him first to make sure he approves of the team. 

10 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

There are a lot of things people do that can be taken as douchey. For me, when people misspell or purposely mispronounce someone's name...I find that rather douchey.

 

From Baker's standpoint, I think it's less that Jackson took a job but rather he didn't do the job he was supposed to, got fired and then did a media circuit to blame everyone else. I found those actions by Hue, a grown man, to be extremely douchey. Baker could have handled it with a more bland response, but he didn't.

Hue handled things in a Hue-ish way. Baker is justified to hold whatever grudge he wants about his time with Hue, but there is zero reason to be so publically petty and childish. Not everything in life is all about him but he doesn’t seem to get that. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Not a problem with it at all.

 

1.) He’s the leader/face of a historically awful organization who is trying to set a new tone and change the culture.  You all should appreciate culture change.  Like Brady said, when you win in this league you to get say what you want.

 

2.)  Very Jordan-Esq.  Creating enemies/generating that little extra motivation out of nothing.  It’s assassin like and if concocting slights, insults or whatever motivation against an opponent ends in the stat line and outcome for the Browns like it did against the Bengals...I’d say have Baker do it every week.

 

3.) He’s a YounG QB with his whole future ahead of him.  The 1st Overall pick who almost had it all destroyed by a dinasour of Coach who was costing the team wins and pushing Baker toward the Bust Label.  Baker didn’t work so hard simply to show up in the nfl to be Jeff Fishered by another past their prime Head Coach.  It’s upsetting.

 

4.) He’s also in the Branding business trying to create a Marketing Identity for the Baker Brand.  First he wakes up feeling “Dan6erous”.  Now he’s a bad boy putting ex-coaches on blast.

 

nothing wrong here.

Edited November 27, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[MILFHUNTER#518]

8 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

All it shows me is he is an ultra competitor like Brady and Brees, and like Peyton Manning was.  That is what you want in a QB imo.

There is NO WAY ANY of the aforementioned future HOF QB's would do that. ESPECIALLY  Peyton Manning.

[Blokestradamus]

Maybe Baker would score more points with some if he spilled the beans to Mike Silver and let that weasel do his dirty work for him.

 

 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

There is NO WAY ANY of the aforementioned future HOF QB's would do that. ESPECIALLY  Peyton Manning.

 

Manning did call his kicker a “idiot” at the Pro Bowl during a interview.  Although the kicker started it by blasting Manning.

[Teddy KGB]

Baker is the man.        Hue started a qb who can’t pass over him and told him to be more like him ??. 

 

Hue’s supposed to be an offensive genius yet Baker and the offense despised his play calls and magically started  performing better once Hue was gone 

 

He thinks Hue is a fake.    So be it 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

You mean like Hue's media tour after he was fired where he indirectly blamed everybody but himself, and tried to rewrite history by saying he wanted Wentz and Watson? Classless and immature like that?

 

That, or Tech wouldn't offer their starting freshman walk on QB a scholarship, so he left.

 Kingsbury promised him a scholarship. He bolted beforehand because he wasn’t going to start. His dad blamed the coach. This is well known but Baker is trying to deflect, I don’t blame him because he looks terrible right now. 

 

Not the first time he’s ripped a former coach (via TMZ because of course it is)

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/07/30/baker-mayfield-kliff-kingsbury-texas-a-and-m-oklahoma/

 

this is just his thing 

Edited November 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 Kingsbury promised him a scholarship. He bolted beforehand because he wasn’t going to start. His dad blamed the coach. This is well known but Baker is trying to deflect, I don’t blame him because he looks terrible right now. 

 

Not the first time he’s ripped a former coach (via TMZ because of course it is)

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2018/07/30/baker-mayfield-kliff-kingsbury-texas-a-and-m-oklahoma/

 

this is just his thing 

 

I think my opinion on Qb/Coaches has changed or intensified in light of seeing how Jeff Fisher and John Fox nearly destroyed Jared Goff and Mitch Trubisky.

 

now I simply wonder how many other young men who poured everything into it, showed up in the nfl only to be destroyed by Head Coaches whose times had passed.  How many are out there?

 

if some of that anger spilled out with Baker...so be it.

Edited November 27, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

I think my opinion on Qb/Coaches has changed or intensified in light of seeing how Jeff Fisher and John Fox nearly destroyed Jared Goff and Mitch Trubisky.

 

now I simply wonder how many other young men who poured everything into it, showed up in the nfl only to be destroyed by Head Coaches whose times had passed.

 

if some of that anger spilled out with Baker...so be it.

He was with him for 1/2 season and obviously  wasn’t destroyed. He can feel whatever he wants about his time with Hue but all the public whining does is make him look bad and put negative attention on his team. Keep it in the locker room and be a professional, this isn’t romper room.

Edited November 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

He was with him for 1/2 season and obviously  wasn’t destroyed. He can feel whatever he wants about his time with Hue but all the public whining does is make him look bad and put negative attention on his team. Keep it in the locker room, this isn’t romper room.

Baker knew he was being destroyed by Hue.  He could see he was being set on the same path as Brady Quinn, Brandon Weadon, Johnny Manziel.  Add to that the whole grand standing Hue did on Hard Knocks.

[simpleman]

Did any of the commentators here actually listen to the interview they are commenting about? He answered two questions posed to him by reporters honestly, which were directly asking him about Hugh.

 

Listen to the interview between 2:28-2:48 and take it in context.

There was no malice in his voice, he even said his honest feelings were his own and “everybody can have their spin on it, but that is how I feel”.

 

I don't see the malice here toward what he said there. He was asked a direct question about Hugh by the reporters and answered directly. I listened to it 3 or 4 times and could not believe the reaction here on this thread and by the media talking heads.

 

He did not rant or continue on, he just honestly answered. Could he have been less honest and more diplomatic? Yes. He is a young rookie, he will learn more about off field media skills with time and practice. Just like on field skills and rookie mistakes, it takes time and experience to not make off field rookie mistakes.

 

Much ado about nothing. The media is making an issue about something minuscule just to have something talk about.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Baker knew he was being destroyed by Hue.  He could see he was being set on the same path as Brady Quinn, Brandon Weadon, Johnny Manziel.  Add to that the whole grand standing Hue did on Hard Knocks.

And he’s gone. He should be happy. Why be a douche about it publically? What does that accomplish for your team except an onslaught of negative attention? He’s played a handful of games in the nfl and thinks he can dictate where the man coaches. He looks very petty and small. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

47 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

There are a lot of things people do that can be taken as douchey. For me, when people misspell or purposely mispronounce someone's name...I find that rather douchey.

 

From Baker's standpoint, I think it's less that Jackson took a job but rather he didn't do the job he was supposed to, got fired and then did a media circuit to blame everyone else. I found those actions by Hue, a grown man, to be extremely douchey. Baker could have handled it with a more bland response, but he didn't.

 

Wait a minute.  Are you saying that I’m a douche for purposely misspelling Baker’s name in the thread title?  I’ll hang up and listen to your response...

[Stank_Nasty]

I have no clue why people are so salty about this. 

 

You go to a division rival, you’re dead to me. I love it. And if I was a teammate i’d love it. He says in the interview there’s a certain culture he’s trying to establish, if I’m not mistaken. 

 

I have a feeling most people in here that are sounding off about it being such a bad look are the ones who bagged on him the whole time leading up to the draft and are now grasping at straws. 

 

Im sure he’ll handle it differently the older he gets and as a business owner I would handle it differently myself knowing how the public would respond.... But I wouldn’t care if he didn’t change a dang thing his whole career 

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

And he’s gone. He should be happy. Why be a douche about it publically? What does that accomplish for your team except an onslaught of negative attention? He’s played a handful of games in the nfl and thinks he can dictate where the man coaches. He looks very petty and small. 

I think you are diagnosing it wayyy too much. 

[Ittakestime]

Hue tried to act like everything was gravy and Mayfield isn't naive enough to actually believe that.

 

Let's not act like Hue didn't know what he was doing with the Cincinnati job.  The guy was fine doing the media nonsense for weeks, but then all of a sudden he took an "unpaid" job with a divisional rival that his former team plays twice.

 

Hue is a untalented snake that people somehow still believe he has some type of talent.  He needs to just go away.

[papazoid]

it's refreshing...

 

sure, Mayfield could have taken the high road

 

but hue Jackson deserves to get pooped on

[KGun12TD]

He has been and still is a Doooooooosche!

 

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

I think there's a few things at play, here.

 

1.  Mayfield is young and perhaps a bit immature.

2.  Mayfield, at his age, may not realize that a man Hue Jackson's age isn't going to have many opportunities in the NFL; especially after getting fired after a Peterman-esque career in Cleveland.

3.  Mayfield is trying to win over a team and a fan base.  On the heels of throwing 4 TDs and no INTs, he took an opportunity to pound his chest one more time that day.

 

I would be shocked that, 5+ years down the road, Mayfield wouldn't have handled it with a tad more grace/subtlety and professionalism.  

 

But he's a kid.  I don't think he crossed any lines.  That said, if he came out with those remarks as a seasoned vet, I'd likely feel differently.

He’s almost 24. If my 12 year old was publically whining about a coach I would be mortified. 

[CaptnCoke11]

This is the society we live in.. Someone says something mean everyone is up in arms over it.  

 

Honestly who who gives a crap what he said.  He’s entitled to his opinion.  

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, simpleman said:

Did any of the commentators here actually listen to the interview they are commenting about? He answered two questions posed to him by reporters honestly, which were directly asking him about Hugh.

 

Listen to the interview between 2:28-2:48 and take it in context.

There was no malice in his voice, he even said his honest feelings were his own and “everybody can have their spin on it, but that is how I feel”.

 

I don't see the malice here toward what he said there. He was asked a direct question about Hugh by the reporters and answered directly. I listened to it 3 or 4 times and could not believe the reaction here on this thread and by the media talking heads.

 

He did not rant or continue on, he just honestly answered. Could he have been less honest and more diplomatic? Yes. He is a young rookie, he will learn more about off field media skills with time and practice. Just like on field skills and rookie mistakes, it takes time and experience to not make off field rookie mistakes.

 

Much ado about nothing. The media is making an issue about something minuscule just to have something talk about.

But he just couldn’t stop there. For some reason he

felt the need to jump in the comments section of a “First Take” post Monday on Instagram about the need for him to grow up.

 

There’s obviously no quicker way to show you’re growing up than to call your former coach “fake” on Instagram! Seriously, why is any NFL quarterback wasting their time in the comments section on Instagram? You don’t take to social media in order to air out your dirty laundry. This is the NFL, stop acting liking a teenage girl. 

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Maybe he was, maybe we wasn't. But I was entertained watching it. I'm sick of players and coaches being robots in interviews. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

But he just couldn’t stop there. For some reason he

felt the need to jump in the comments section of a “First Take” post Monday on Instagram about the need for him to grow up.

There’s obviously no quicker way to show you’re growing up than to call your former coach “fake” on Instagram! Seriously, why is any NFL quarterback wasting their time in the comments section on Instagram? You don’t take to social media in order to air out your dirty laundry. This is the NFL, stop acting liking a teenage girl. 

 

I wonder if Dorsey is cringing about this situation thinking that Baker’s behavior might actually deter some really sought after HC candidates from coming to Cleveland?

[Chuck Wagon]

He's been one his whole life.

[Mr. WEO]

So much being made out of so little here.

 

Hue is a classless clown.  Mayfield is, I'm sure, holding  back from what he and likely that entire Browns locker room thinks of their former HC.

 

They should go into the Bengals locker room and ask them what they think of Hue becoming their next HC...

[wppete]

That wasn’t cool by Baker. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by wppete

[stony]

9 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

My initial reaction was “this kid has no class.”  Yet he’s a kid I guess.  I don’t know.  His behavior in that moment was classless.  I don’t know that I’m ready to completely judge his character though.

He's a complex case, because he clearly runs on doosh fuel.  But he needs it to succeed, so yeah, it's a toss up.    

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I wonder if Dorsey is cringing about this situation thinking that Baker’s behavior might actually deter some really sought after HC candidates from coming to Cleveland?

Dorsey is probably kicking himself for not putting up a bigger fight to get rid of Hue sooner. But he did bring in Haley,  and Baker seemed to throw him under the bus too when he said: “You can put your own spin on it but we have people we believe in calling the plays now.”

Edited November 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[BigPappy]

9 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I don’t think any of the QB’s you mentioned would have handled that situation the same way...even as a rook.

 

Fair enough, but the real issue here is not whether or not Hue deserved such criticism.  It is more about Baker, the face of the franchise, taking the liberty to do so publically.

 Have to agree with you on both account Hammersticks. True leaders don't act the way Baker Mayfield did in his post game presser.

 

9 hours ago, Greatdane21 said:

He is young hopefully he will start thinking before he speaks . Sometimes that comes with age.

 Maybe, but sometime a d-bag is always a d-bag. As Hammer said, I also think that none of the other rookie QB's would have acted this way. Look at how Allen handled the whole Ramsey calling him "Trash" deal. He came back with, "he's one of the top corners in the league". No trash talk, no disrespecting him, not even after the game. Players like that are leaders.

[LB3]

Baker might be a douche but not for this. Hue Jackson on his firing on First Take:

 

And I think when you really stop to look at it, it's truly really about Baker Mayfield. I think they want to do everything they can to put him in a situation. I mean, you got the first pick of the draft who I think is gonna be a franchise QB, a sensational player. And he's not playing as well. You know, so again, here's a perfect storm to move forward and move on.

 

Hue tried to dress it up by saying he thinks Baker will be great, but he threw the kid under the bus. It's not Baker's fault that Hue was one of the worst head coaches in NFL history.

 

About going to Cincinnati, Baker just seems bitter after being thrown under the bus. Here's a terrible head coach preaching family. Basically a father figure type. Then after mom kicks him to the curb for being a deadbeat, he runs down the street and starts living with the woman mom always hated and suspected dad of running around with. Then he blames Baker for the failed marriage. Hue is a B word, plain and simple. Anyone that saw Hard Knocks knows it. 

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

WWJAHDITS?

 

What would Josh Allen have done in this situation?  

 

WWJAHDITS bumper stickers available here. They’re flying off the shelves!!

 

Linky

 

 

[Gugny]

58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s almost 24. If my 12 year old was publically whining about a coach I would be mortified. 

 

52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

But he just couldn’t stop there. For some reason he

felt the need to jump in the comments section of a “First Take” post Monday on Instagram about the need for him to grow up.

 

There’s obviously no quicker way to show you’re growing up than to call your former coach “fake” on Instagram! Seriously, why is any NFL quarterback wasting their time in the comments section on Instagram? You don’t take to social media in order to air out your dirty laundry. This is the NFL, stop acting liking a teenage girl. 

 

The post-game presser comments I can (as stated above) comfortably justify.  Keeping it going on social media, however, is Bush League crap.

[stevewin]

I fall on the doosh side.  Once I saw the whole PC exchange it did give some context.  To me he was trying (too hard) to play the "traitor went to a hated rival" card - I think it might have been partially an attempt to endear himself further to the fan base - and to try show his "competitiveness" which to me though just made him look immature/foolish.  One thing it shows to me for sure is he really has some deep rooted disdain or Hue.  Obviously he didn't have a high opinion of him based on their time together - you don't treat people you respect like that.  Makes you wonder if he was in Dorsey's ear badmouthing Hue (and Haley) - or at least was more than willing to provide his opinion if asked.

 

I get that pro sports has a little different dynamic, but give me a break - the guy got fired (didn't quit) and found gainful employment in his profession.  Ridiculous to fault the guy for getting a job.