Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position?

[May Day 10]

Im not rooting for losses if Allen is in there.  Best case scenario is he shows tangible signs of development, win or lose.  That would be worth so much more than a few draft slots.  

[Jasovon]

Last Sunday felt great, more of that please.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

3-4 years? That's what they said about EJ.

 

The offense is bad, but they resemble a real, live professional unit when the QB play is competent.

 

This is the NFL, which technically stands for National Football League, but Jerry Glanville would beg to differ. Allen needs to put up or shut up. 

They resemble a real professional unit when they play against a terrible defense.  Had Barkley been the QB vs the Packers @ Lambeau the results wouldn’t have been the same as this past Sunday.  Believe that.  

 

Allen is a raw rookie.  He doesn’t have to do anything but continue to be the starting QB of this team.  He has a 2-4 year window.  Look at Blake Bortles.  He sucks.  Yet he’s still a starting QB because his team team is invested in him and didn’t pull the plug after 1-2 years.  

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

They resemble a real professional unit when they play against a terrible defense.  Had Barkley been the QB vs the Packers @ Lambeau the results wouldn’t have been the same as this past Sunday.  Believe that.  

 

Allen is a raw rookie.  He doesn’t have to do anything but continue to be the starting QB of this team.  He has a 2-4 year window.  Look at Blake Bortles.  He sucks.  Yet he’s still a starting QB because his team team is invested in him and didn’t pull the plug after 1-2 years.  

That's the worst argument for giving a QB a 2-4 year window I've ever heard.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, dpberr said:

The Bills organization is much larger than the people you see on the field on Sundays.  It's hundreds of employees.  

 

It's easier to pay the bills when the Bills are competitive and winning football games.  Paying bills gets harder when fans don't show up or buy merchandise because the team isn't competitive.  You aren't going to make a lot of money when your tickets sell for $5.  

 

That's all I ask as a fan - be a competitive football team.  Do what it takes to win.  That's what you're in the business to do.  Winning=making $$$ for everyone involved.

 

These teams make money all year long.  Even if the stands were empty.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's the worst argument for giving a QB a 2-4 year window I've ever heard.

It’s just the way it’s going to be.  Watch and see.  There is nothing to argue here.  Accept it and move on so we don’t have to read your whining and crying posts every day for the next 3 years. 

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

It’s just the way it’s going to be.  Watch and see.  There is nothing to argue here.  Accept it and move on so we don’t have to read your whining and crying posts every day for the next 3 years. 

So you want to continue to trot Allen out there year after year even if he looks like trash?

 

It's cool if you're from Wyoming or just have a thing for Josh Allen. I'm a Bills fan, but to each their own.

[transplantbillsfan]

Here's the playoff machine to show you how we get our miracle

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

The way the rest of the league looks, we can win 0 more games or 5 more games and we are still likely picking in the same ~7-13 range.

Fine by me. We still get an impact DL who may slide in that spot or an OT or WR. 

[Chicken Boo]

More wins just means the Bills will be in a better position to draft D.K. Metcalf.

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

So you want to continue to trot Allen out there year after year even if he looks like trash?

 

It's cool if you're from Wyoming or just have a thing for Josh Allen. I'm a Bills fan, but to each their own.

It doesn’t matter what I want.  It doesn’t matter what you want.  That is what is going to happen.  It’s reality.  I accept it because whining and crying won’t do anything but raise my blood pressure and make TSW an even toxic place than it is right now.  I enjoy this website most of the time.  I’d like to keep it that way

[reddogblitz]

On 11/14/2018 at 2:45 AM, NewEra said:

What if Matt Barkley is a one in a Million type QB?  You just andweee your own question.  

 

I get the sense that some people here are just clueless.  

 

Like a QB that was mediocre at best in college determined to be a "project" by most scouts and TBDers alike is not a one in a million type QB?

 

Matt Barkley had the best game for a Bills QB in two years. Why put all our eggs in one bAsket?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Like a QB that was mediocre at best in college determined to be a "project" by most scouts and TBDers alike is not a one in a million type QB?

 

Matt Barkley had the best game for a Bills QB in two years. Why put all our eggs in one bAsket?

Because all of our eggs ARE in one basket.  Josh Allen IS McB’s QB.  That’s the guy they chose to be their QB of the future.  They didn’t even think Matt Barkley was worth a call when they called Derek Anderson.  

 

Ive always liked Barkley.  I was hoping we would draft him over EJ.  I think he has solid backup potential.  I just don’t think his arm is strong enough to be our guy long term.  

 

The best game a Bills qb has had in 2 years isn’t saying much.....especially when it’s against that jets defense. The jets should’ve had 2 picks btw.  Couldn’t have been that good.

[reddogblitz]

Just now, NewEra said:

The best game a Bills qb has had in 2 years isn’t saying much.....especially when it’s against that jets defense. The jets should’ve had 2 picks btw.  Couldn’t have been that good. 

 

In every game I watch there are usually a few passes that could have been picked but aren't. Barkley is hardly unique in that regard.  These guys are DBs and not WRs for a reason.

 

I'm going to make a bold prediction. In tonight's game there will be 2 passes that could be intercepted that aren't.

 

I don't have anything against Allen and I hope he is successful. but it would be nice to have a solid backup we can go to in case of injury or ineptitude on Josh's part.  Putting all one's eggs in one basket is bad management pure and simple.

[Bing Bong]

Let these guys learn how to win games as much as possible. And then draft well instead of b****ing about not having enough crappy performances the year before.

 

And don't get hopes up for playoffs lol

Edited November 15, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[billsfan89]

Its about player development. There isn't likely to be a playoff run, even if they run the table 9 wins might not get the team in. And the odds of running the table are low to begin with. So yes each win lowers draft positioning but if winning games means the young players like Teller, Zay, Allen, Edumonds, Milano, Phillips and the rest of the young blue chip guys play well then its a positive thing. Odds are the team wins somewhere in the range to 2-4 games the rest of the way which would put the team at 5-7 wins in a very Billsy form of mediocrity. 

[Boca BIlls]

Hopefully each win shows Allen's growth...

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

In every game I watch there are usually a few passes that could have been picked but aren't. Barkley is hardly unique in that regard.  These guys are DBs and not WRs for a reason.

 

I'm going to make a bold prediction. In tonight's game there will be 2 passes that could be intercepted that aren't.

 

I don't have anything against Allen and I hope he is successful. but it would be nice to have a solid backup we can go to in case of injury or ineptitude on Josh's part.  Putting all one's eggs in one basket is bad management pure and simple.

Ok, so you want Barkley to be our backup.  Agreed.  

[transplantbillsfan]

Where we are, in responding to the OP, is miracle playoff run. But really it's more about growth of our young QB and young players, but in playing around with the Playoff Machine ESPN has had up a couple of weeks...

 

On 11/14/2018 at 7:18 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Here's the playoff machine to show you how we get our miracle

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

 

...you can see that the only game that really helped us today (other than us winning, obviously) was the Browns beating up on the Bengals.

 

Otherwise, woulda been nice if the 'Phins coulda hung on and if the Raiders could've pulled an upset. Root for the Texans tomorrow and root for the Jags to upset every AFC opponent they play.

 

I think the Colts get the 6 seed. But this is what us Bills fans do in December... play around with the possibilities.

 

At least this year these wins aren't meaningless. It's about legitimate growth in our young players. Still excited about the rest of our season 

[dubs]

On 11/13/2018 at 6:01 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position? Inquiring minds want to know. 

 

Given the schedule the miracle playoff run is not impossible.  What I am supposed to be rooting for? 

 

Neither

 

probably finish about 6-10 or 7-9. Pick in the top third. Miss playoffs draft position is fine. 

[Big Turk]

There is no miracle playoff run, we are simply ruining draft position.

 

There is no carryover effect year to year in the NFL so any argument about building momentum for next year is garbage

Edited November 26, 2018 by matter2003

[PIZ]

Doubtful that the Bills get anywhere close to the playoffs, thanks to some dreadful QB, OL, and WR play early in the season.  The D also had some dreadful early games. However, they are starting to come together, and could end the season as one of the hottest teams in the league.  The young guys are stepping up, learning from the vets, and they are becoming a speed team on both sides of the ball.  Still no playoffs this year, but the improved play will go a long way for next season.  It will also allow them to go BPA in the draft, as some holes are being filled by the young guys.

 

 

[SCBills]

Could care less if we fall just short and end up drafting in the mid-teens because that means Josh Allen is the franchise, our defense is set for the next few years, we have some pieces on the OL worth keeping around and the young WRs - Foster/Zay/McKenzie are stepping up.   

 

That means we don’t have 900 holes to fill with our picks/cap space and can focus on truly building a contender.  

 

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by SCBills

[TremaineAve]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

Doubtful that the Bills get anywhere close to the playoffs, thanks to some dreadful QB, OL, and WR play early in the season.  The D also had some dreadful early games. However, they are starting to come together, and could end the season as one of the hottest teams in the league.  The young guys are stepping up, learning from the vets, and they are becoming a speed team on both sides of the ball.  Still no playoffs this year, but the improved play will go a long way for next season.  It will also allow them to go BPA in the draft, as some holes are being filled by the young guys.

 

 

Well said. Forget both the playoffs and high draft position. All the bad teams will win another so our draft position won’t change but a few spots if that if we put up some more wins. Much rather see the team continue to show gradual improvement and development. It’s not momentum for next season, it’s HOPE that the team has some talent and is not as otherwise desperate.

[thunderingsquid]

We're the Bills.  It's all about ruining draft position.

[CLTbills]

[Perry Turtle]

The Bills would be in a much better position if young guys like Allen, Foster, McKenzie, Teller, Milano, Edmunds, and Phillip's mature enough to contribute to the team winning games than tanking and  getting a lower draft pick.

 

And the obsession with getting a top 3 or 5 draft pick in the NFL is pure idiocy.  Teams that draft well find all-pro talent throughout the first two rounds of the draft.

 

Tre White was the 27th pick in the draft.  Edmunds was the 16th.  Calvin Ridley was the 26th overall pick.  This isn't the NBA or NHL, there is no need to tank in the NFL.

 

If the Bills finish 8-8 but have a young core of players who are improving enough to win NFL games, they will be in a much better position than if they have a train wreck ending to the season, where the young players prove to be worthless, and wind up with the 3rd pick in the draft.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Perry Turtle

[John from Riverside]

I am one of those who think we are ruining draft position with each loss.....My preference would be LT Jonah

 

However

 

One of the good things about this next draft is the D players appear to be highly rated.....which could push a good O player down to us (like maybe the cream of the wide receivers)

 

We can use free agency to get OL players (probably having to keep Dawkins at LT) and draft offensive players.....like WR, TE, RB

[Big Blitz]

I just hope we beat Alabama.

[NewEra]

Probably not a playoff run due to too many teams in front of us, but I don’t think each win JUST ruins draft position.  We’re getting better and better, gaining confidence and learning how to win.  I’ll be very happy if we win out even if we don’t make the playoffs. 

[Kmart128]

On 11/13/2018 at 7:04 PM, Azucho98 said:

No way this team with this offense makes the post season....dream all you want but it ain't gonna happen.

 

I'd normally say the same thing but when you look at our schedule the only tough game remaining bis the Patriots... If we can just pull off that upset we are looking at a real playoff probability. The issue is the Ravens.  Even if we do run the table they have to lose 3 games even though we are only 2 games behind them due to there win against us. Not sure what happens with a 3 way tie however.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Perry Turtle said:

The Bills would be in a much better position if young guys like Allen, Foster, McKenzie, Teller, Milano, Edmunds, and Phillip's mature enough to contribute to the team winning games than tanking and  getting a lower draft pick.

 

 

100% agree. Add Taron Johnson to that list too and Dawkins still to an extent as well (he has had some struggles this year but has played well the past 3 games back to some of his rookie form).

 

This year is about how many of those guys we can legitimately start to pencil in as part of the "young core. To me Tre White and Matt Milano are already there... but we now have a group of others to focus on. It might only be me but I am genuinely trying to watch the young guys and not the ball play to play.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am one of those who think we are ruining draft position with each loss.....My preference would be LT Jonah

 

However

 

One of the good things about this next draft is the D players appear to be highly rated.....which could push a good O player down to us (like maybe the cream of the wide receivers)

 

We can use free agency to get OL players (probably having to keep Dawkins at LT) and draft offensive players.....like WR, TE, RB

I'd rather win out and see where the chips may fall. As far as linemen, I'd like to pluck the 3 guys from Wisconsin in the draft.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

 

I'd normally say the same thing but when you look at our schedule the only tough game remaining bis the Patriots... If we can just pull off that upset we are looking at a real playoff probability. The issue is the Ravens.  Even if we do run the table they have to lose 3 games even though we are only 2 games behind them due to there win against us. Not sure what happens with a 3 way tie however.

 

I am not sure we will run the table (even excluding the Pats game). I can see a split with Miami. We need to tidy up the penalties. Yes the refs were awful yesterday but some of those penalties were just horrible, sloppy play and had to be called. That drive with 3 back to back defensive penalties.... it can't happen.

 

I think the Chargers and the Ravens will be the wildcards.

[Troll Toll]

I hope they win out with Allen. Even at 9-7 they might still be able to draft the top Center.

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

I hope they win out with Allen. Even at 9-7 they might still be able to draft the top Center.

 

 

"Hi, welcome to Buffalo for a FA visit.

 

We had back to back 9-7 seasons, including a playoff appearance.  Our rookie QB was 8-3 as a starter and we have 10 draft picks coming and about 90 million in cap space.

 

What can we do for you here in Buffalo?"

 

I dig it.

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm calling it. We beat the Pats. That's our Super Bowl.

Edited November 26, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Cripple Creek]

On 11/13/2018 at 6:01 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position? Inquiring minds want to know. 

 

Given the schedule the miracle playoff run is not impossible.  What I am supposed to be rooting for? 

Let it play out. The team has obvious weaknesses, but, winning today can help tomorrow, lower draft picks notwithstanding. 

[HeHateMe]

They aren't tanking for a QB, there doesn't seem to be any stud type WRs top of the draft so tanking doesn't make any sense.  Who tanks for a tackle?  You develop Allen and win.

[eball]

The Bills are 2 games out of a playoff spot with 5 to go.  6-5 is 6th place.  Win out and I guarantee they make it.  There's only one game remaining on their schedule that, today, looks unwinnable, and we all know who it is, but if they somehow win the next three and are 7-7 heading to Foxboro all bets are off.