Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position?

[Doc Brown]

I like where we're at right now because if we win with Josh Allen it's a good sign for the future and if we lose we get a better draft spot.  As long as we're in the top 10 we'll get a shot at a decent OT or WR.  Not too worried about it.  The one thing I'm looking at is whether our offense improves or not.  If not, then maybe we need to move on from Daboll.

[PIZ]

I want to see more games like last week.  Fun, exciting games where guys show they have potential and are NFL starting players.  I want to see the young guys play and show they belong, so the Bills don't look like they need 11 new starters on both sides of the ball.

 

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What if Barkley is one of those odd late bloomers like Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner and Josh Allen is a bust? 

 

I really get the sense that some people have become Allen fans more than Bills fans. 

What if Matt Barkley is a one in a Million type QB?  You just andweee your own question.  

 

I get the sense that some people here are just clueless.  

[GimmeSomeProcess]

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What if Barkley is one of those odd late bloomers like Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner and Josh Allen is a bust? 

 

I really get the sense that some people have become Allen fans more than Bills fans. 

So we wait 6 more seasons for Barkley to excell like Gannon did?

[ProcessTruster]

Just keep playing hard week to week.  That is the NFL.   Every week is a new week with an opportunity to win a football game.   In today's NFL, unless one of the teams has one of the 6 or 7 unicorn franchise QB guys, every game is winnable by either side on any given Sunday.   So go and get it .  The offseason is going to be great, so lets go into it with a bang.    Not sure we are playing any unicorns for the rest of the season, other than Brady, who looks like father time is coming to get him anyway..

Edited November 14, 2018 by ProcessTruster

[Steptide]

I said it in another post last week, but I'm not so concerned having a super high draft pick now that we have our franchise qb (hopefully). I want more wins this season. We need o line and offense in the draft and we can get alot of good players that arnt in the top 10 of each round. I say go all out and try and get to 9-7. We have alot of draft picks and lots of free agency money. 

[BigBuff423]

As fan, you're entitled to root for whatever you'd like....wonderful America we live in.

 

That said, for me, I'd prefer they continue to win. IMHO you only accept the abysmal season when: 1. you know it's going to happen 2. you're looking for your Franchise QB.

 

Now, no one really knows if Josh Allen is *that* QB, but we do know it is way, way too early to decide that he isn't. So, with the young guys on the roster, with the playoffs last year, with the coaching staff being in just their second year and Beane on through his first real Off-season, I see the winning as a culture setter. An establishment that accepting losing for ANY reason is unacceptable and to push the limits of talent, hard work, attention to detail and team chemistry to create the winning culture where accountability is demanded not due to threat of being fired or released but because the larger environment commands it's due process. 

[H2o]

We are in a position where the young guys are getting experience and we are building for the future. I want my team to win. Draft position is a byproduct of what you see on the field. Wherever we end up we will have played our way there and the staff still has to be able to recognize talent then make the right decision for the team draft wise. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position? Inquiring minds want to know. 

 

Given the schedule the miracle playoff run is not impossible.  What I am supposed to be rooting for? 

 

Those aren’t the only two choices. Mixed results lead to this core of young players and front office for that matter learning how to win NFL games. 

 

that’s the whole ‘process’ concept 

Edited November 14, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Mrbojanglezs]

Somewhere in the middle. This year is all about development

[Cripple Creek]

13 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position? Inquiring minds want to know. 

 

Given the schedule the miracle playoff run is not impossible.  What I am supposed to be rooting for? 

Too many holes to fill, so put me in the ruining draft position camp.

 

Of course, if they lose out I’ll be on the ledge looking for a soft landing place. Maybe the Chargers. Good weather, in need of fan support?

[billsredneck1]

14 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

One game at a time. Just win.

 

Don't worry about draft position. If you draft well, it works itself out. Just draft good football players.

that's it in a nutshell.  according to the media, we have the easiest remaining schedule with the pats being the only team with a winning record to go against.

also,  if somehow the pats drop 3 maybe minn,/ pitt and at miami and we run the table, we could be playing them for the division title at the end.

 

it all starts this sunday and i myself would prefer they give barkley one more start.  i would rather try to ride the hot hand until we get one more loss.

[dollars 2 donuts]

I don't believe running the table and going 9-7 will get us into the playoffs.

 

That said do I like winning?

 

Damn straight.

[dpberr]

The Bills organization is much larger than the people you see on the field on Sundays.  It's hundreds of employees.  

 

It's easier to pay the bills when the Bills are competitive and winning football games.  Paying bills gets harder when fans don't show up or buy merchandise because the team isn't competitive.  You aren't going to make a lot of money when your tickets sell for $5.  

 

That's all I ask as a fan - be a competitive football team.  Do what it takes to win.  That's what you're in the business to do.  Winning=making $$$ for everyone involved.

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

What if Matt Barkley is a one in a Million type QB?  You just andweee your own question.  

 

I get the sense that some people here are just clueless.  

Me too. Far too much hope is being placed in a high risk draft pick. They'd be wise to have a legitimate back-up plan in place if he doesn't work out. We've seen QB's like Allen come and go.

 

I'm a Bills fan. Makes no difference who's playing QB.

Edited November 14, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[teef]

the wins are always fun, but i just want to see development of the young guys.

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, dpberr said:

The Bills organization is much larger than the people you see on the field on Sundays.  It's hundreds of employees.  

 

It's easier to pay the bills when the Bills are competitive and winning football games.  Paying bills gets harder when fans don't show up or buy merchandise because the team isn't competitive.  You aren't going to make a lot of money when your tickets sell for $5.  

 

That's all I ask as a fan - be a competitive football team.  Do what it takes to win.  That's what you're in the business to do.  Winning=making $$$ for everyone involved.

 

 

Just saying, even if they are not in it, what if the Bills come home for the finale and they are 8-7 going against the Dolphins?

 

The ralph will be rocking.

[CDogg20]

17 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Where are we at? Miracle Playoff run or does each win just ruin draft position? Inquiring minds want to know. 

 

Given the schedule the miracle playoff run is not impossible.  What I am supposed to be rooting for? 

Where’s Jim Mora when you need him? 

[formerlyofCtown]

Id prefer finishing 8-8 or 9-7 to a high pick.  That would mean we have a lot less needs.

4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Too many holes to fill, so put me in the ruining draft position camp.

 

Of course, if they lose out I’ll be on the ledge looking for a soft landing place. Maybe the Chargers. Good weather, in need of fan support?

Why wait.  Go now.

[aristocrat]

if it's a miracle run that means allen is lighting it up down the stretch and we might have a franchise guy.  if that's the case it sets up the off season so well. probably means teller is playing well at guard which eliminates a draft need. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

I don't believe running the table and going 9-7 will get us into the playoffs.

 

That said do I like winning?

 

Damn straight.

 

I believe it will. The NY Times playoff simulator gives the Bills a 55% chance straight-up of making the playoffs if they finish 9-7.

 

The easiest road to the playoffs assumes the Pats, Steelers, Texans, Chiefs, and Chargers make the playoffs. The Raiders are already behind us. We don't need to worry about the Jets or Dolphins if we win out. The Browns only need to lose 1 more game. The Broncos only need to lose 1 of their 6 remaining AFC games. The Jags only need to lose one more non-Bills game, just to be safe in terms of more complex tiebreaker scenarios.

 

So now looking more closely at the 4 teams that will essentially determine our 9-7 playoff fate:

 

1. Titans finish no better than 4-3: L at Colts, L at Texans, L Redskins

2. Colts finish no better than 4-3: L at Texans, L Cowboys, L at Titans

3. Ravens finish no better than 4-3: L at Falcons, L at Chiefs, L at Chargers

4. Bengals finish no better than 3-4: L at Ravens, L at Chargers, L at Browns, L at Steelers

 

EDIT: I've been analyzing these playoff scenarios since the very beginning of The Great Drought in 2000. Every. Single. Effing. Time. The games outside our control have played out in our favor. The problem has always been that the Bills haven't done their part of winning out in December.

Edited November 14, 2018 by MichaelAbdallah

[formerlyofCtown]

12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

What if Barkley is one of those odd late bloomers like Rich Gannon or Kurt Warner and Josh Allen is a bust? 

 

I really get the sense that some people have become Allen fans more than Bills fans. 

Its not so easy for me.  Part of me wants to see Barkley keep going but, if Allen reaches his potential Id take him over Gannon or Warner.  There is an if with both Barkley and Allen.  The front office and coach are tied to Allen so I cant blame them for goin the way they are gonna go.

[MikeSpeed]

After watching us beat the Jets into submission last Sunday, how could anyone want us to do anything other than win as much as possible. Especially because we are coming up on 4 more division rival games.

 

Who doesn't want us to beat Tom the tormentor in NE?

 

Win X6

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm tired of losing. Go for the gusto. We have 10 picks anyway 

[LSHMEAB]

14 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Its not so easy for me.  Part of me wants to see Barkley keep going but, if Allen reaches his potential Id take him over Gannon or Warner.  There is an if with both Barkley and Allen.  The front office and coach are tied to Allen so I cant blame them for goin the way they are gonna go.

Fair enough. I personally never want to see another situation like we had with Doug Flutie, where it never quite felt like the BUFFALO BILLS.

 

The excuses, bashing other players, etc. to support the Bubble Boy(Allen) are starting to get old and he's played like 5 games.

 

 

[NewEra]

44 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Me too. Far too much hope is being placed in a high risk draft pick. They'd be wise to have a legitimate back-up plan in place if he doesn't work out. We've seen QB's like Allen come and go.

 

I'm a Bills fan. Makes no difference who's playing QB.

 

Mans sometimes it’s best to get a higher pick than to win a game.  If the qb leading the team is considered the future of the franchise, it’s more beneficial for him to win games.  If the QBis a journeyman unlikely to start for us ever again in the midst of a sub .500 season, I’d rather have the higher pick and lose the game by a point.  

 

We can hope and pray that Matt Barkley can go undefeated and lead us to the playoffs, but that’s lunacy.

4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Fair enough. I personally never want to see another situation like we had with Doug Flutie, where it never quite felt like the BUFFALO BILLS.

 

The excuses, bashing other players, etc. to support the Bubble Boy(Allen) are starting to get old and he's played like 5 games.

 

 

 

And the bashing of the “Bubble Boy” after a handful of starts and the front office that broke an almost 20! year playoff drought in 1 year with limited talent isn’t getting old?  Listen to what you’re saying!  

[LSHMEAB]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Mans sometimes it’s best to get a higher pick than to win a game.  If the qb leading the team is considered the future of the franchise, it’s more beneficial for him to win games.  If the QBis a journeyman unlikely to start for us ever again in the midst of a sub .500 season, I’d rather have the higher pick and lose the game by a point.  

 

We can hope and pray that Matt Barkley can go undefeated and lead us to the playoffs, but that’s lunacy.

 

And the bashing of the “Bubble Boy” after a handful of starts and the front office that broke an almost 20! year playoff drought in 1 year with limited talent isn’t getting old?  Listen to what you’re saying!  

Fair enough. So if Allen plays like trash, we won't be hearing about how the entire offensive roster sucks, right? Barkley is not the answer, but the Jets game demonstrated the impact competent QB play can have. Barkley will never play like that again. Got lucky avoiding two picks and I have no doubt he'd once again be a turnover machine if asked to play for an extended period of time. However, he was also willing to take chances with the ball and voila, our receivers went from historically bad to merely below average.

 

At some point, preferably soon, I'd like to see Josh Allen prove he can sling it around the field. Results are a hell of a lot better than excuses.

Edited November 14, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[Virgil]

If Allen can show that he’s our QB of the future, I don’t care what our record is 

[transplantbillsfan]

Win.

 

Period.

 

Draft position doesn't matter if we have our QB.

 

Winning matters.  Even if it doesn't mean a miracle playoff run--which is incredibly and highly doubtful--it will attract Free Agents in the offseason and show this team is on the brink.  And we have lots of money to spend, so we could very easily be serious contenders next season.

[formerlyofCtown]

48 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Fair enough. I personally never want to see another situation like we had with Doug Flutie, where it never quite felt like the BUFFALO BILLS.

 

The excuses, bashing other players, etc. to support the Bubble Boy(Allen) are starting to get old and he's played like 5 games.

 

 

Bubble boy?

[KD in CA]

Unless you really need a QB or there is Bruce Smith or OJ Simpson or someone like that waiting at #1, the difference of a few slots in draft order is wildly overrated.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Bubble boy?

Seinfeld reference. He lives upstate! Get with the program!?

[formerlyofCtown]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

Seinfeld reference. He lives upstate! Get with the program!?

Cant stand Seinfeld.  Never could.

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Fair enough. So if Allen plays like trash, we won't be hearing about how the entire offensive roster sucks, right? Barkley is not the answer, but the Jets game demonstrated the impact competent QB play can have. Barkley will never play like that again. Got lucky avoiding two picks and I have no doubt he'd once again be a turnover machine if asked to play for an extended period of time. However, he was also willing to take chances with the ball and voila, our receivers went from historically bad to merely below average.

 

At some point, preferably soon, I'd like to see Josh Allen prove he can sling it around the field. Results are a hell of a lot better than excuses.

The offense does suck.  It’s not an excuse. It’s a fact  One game vs the jets and now we’re good? No.  The jets suck.  Really bad.  We had a good gameplan and executed this past week.  Barkley looked good.  He got rid of the ball and made some good reads.  Vs a terrible D.  

 

Josh allen will have the same excuse for the next 3 years.  He’s a project that needs to improve and gain experience playing vs top tier talent.   He’s a project that this regime has chosen as their qb of the future.  That’s all.  There is no arguement to be had for the next 3-4 years. He’s their qB.  If and when he’s named starter each week for the next few years, it’s because McBeane chose him to be.    There is no arguement.  Only haters that hate McBeanes decisions.   Those that aren’t hating on McBeane and allen aren’t homers or unreasonable. They’re fans of this team that realize the inevitable course of events that take place regarding our QB position will revolve around josh Allien being our starting QB for the next 3 years minimum.  And if allen fails and we kick him to the curb, I’ll back our Next QB.  I’ll probbaly be backing out next HC and GM too.  

[dpberr]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Just saying, even if they are not in it, what if the Bills come home for the finale and they are 8-7 going against the Dolphins?

 

The ralph will be rocking.

 

For me, that'd be a competitive football team.  I'm ok with that.  

[Chuck Wagon]

The way the rest of the league looks, we can win 0 more games or 5 more games and we are still likely picking in the same ~7-13 range.

[LSHMEAB]

31 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The offense does suck.  It’s not an excuse. It’s a fact  One game vs the jets and now we’re good? No.  The jets suck.  Really bad.  We had a good gameplan and executed this past week.  Barkley looked good.  He got rid of the ball and made some good reads.  Vs a terrible D.  

 

Josh allen will have the same excuse for the next 3 years.  He’s a project that needs to improve and gain experience playing vs top tier talent.   He’s a project that this regime has chosen as their qb of the future.  That’s all.  There is no arguement to be had for the next 3-4 years.

3-4 years? That's what they said about EJ.

 

The offense is bad, but they resemble a real, live professional unit when the QB play is competent.

 

This is the NFL, which technically stands for National Football League, but Jerry Glanville would beg to differ. Allen needs to put up or shut up. 

[That_Guy]

i flip-flop on this depending on how Sunday goes.  We get stomped into the ground?  ***** it, let's tank.  We stomp another team into the ground & aren't mathematically eliminated?  Hell yea, playoffs!

[Freddie's Dead]

[rodneykm]

If McDermott pulls off a second miracle playoff run, he's getting an extension.