Bill from NYC Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, zow2 said: I also wanted Buf to draft Watson at the time... not one cell in my being wanted Mahomes. And clearly I failed to recognize a good talent there! Same here. I was Watson all the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Same here. I was Watson all the way. Ditto here. Only difference being I wanted either Mahommes or Watson and I was initially estatic that we were getting one of them. Thanks to Whaley, the joke was on us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 52 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sure. I'd take a QB pretty much every year, or every other year until you hit one. Usually if you find a good one, you usually know you've found one very early on in their career. Most guys show they're good very quickly. We won't take one this year, but we definitely need to pour resources into the offense. Then if Allen doesn't show signs of life you go all in on taking a QB in 2020 which is shaping up to be an excellent year to need a QB. i don't have any problem with this. i'm curious about allen. i was someone who didn't want him to play this year, but at the same time, i'm disappointed we can't watch any progression, or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Until Josh Allen proves he was the correct choice, expect these threads weekly. And for good reason. Only way to shut them down is through Josh Allen. The end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Its gonna be like that untilmour rook prooves it. The odds arw against him cuz Mahomes ansd Watson are both so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Oh boy. I do declare the rumors of Watson's demise were greatly exaggerated. Here's what our beautiful boy out of Clemson is doing through 8 games: 5-3 as a starter, 3 game-winning drives 2389 passing yards, 10th in the NFL 17 passing TD's (tied for 8th with Tom Brady) 7 INT's (tied with Brady and Mahomes) Passer rating 100.8 (tied for 10th with Cam) All while being the second most sacked QB in the NFL. If Mahomes wasn't breaking records, Watson would be the talk of the second year QB town. Imagine passing on two franchise QB's in one draft. Couldn't be me. And yet, Josh Allen outplayed him in just his fifth NFL start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: And yet, Josh Allen outplayed him in just his fifth NFL start. Joshy boy of 2 TD:5 INT fame. Oh goodness, Watson may not even get a second contract. EJ outplayed Cam Newton once upon a time. Cam's career ended right then and there, and EJ went on to win an MVP award in 2015. Edited November 6, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Tom Brady wouldn't succeed with this historically talentless offense, so I am giving Allen a pass till he has actual talent to work with. Joe Montana in his prime would suck with this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Joshy boy of 2 TD:5 INT fame. Oh goodness, Watson may not even get a second contract. EJ outplayed Cam Newton once upon a time. Cam's career ended right then and there, and EJ went on to win an MVP award in 2015. You mad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Tom Brady wouldn't succeed with this historically talentless offense, so I am giving Allen a pass till he has actual talent to work with. Joe Montana in his prime would suck with this offense. In 2000, the year he was drafted, history had shown Tom Brady wouldn’t develop into a good QB. Can’t argue with what history shows. Ever. So it is written, so it shall be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said: How quickly we forget the crap-fest Watson put on against our very own Bills a few weeks ago. Fortunately for him, Nate Peterman came in for an injured Josh Allen and sealed the deal. He had a chest injury and couldn’t even fly on the team plane. Plus, we have a pretty good D. 45 minutes ago, BillsVet said: No greater homer exists on all of TBD. None. Miss on potentially 2 franchise QBs in 2017? Nope, not Coach McD's fault. I feel bad leaving John all alone on the homer front. I enjoyed life as a Bills fan better as a homer. I so badly wish I could pretend Josh Allen was a good college Qb, or every offensive personnel by this regime wasn’t a disaster, or we didn’t pass on 2 really good qbs that we didn’t need to trade extra picks for. It would be so much easier. 22 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: Ditto here. Only difference being I wanted either Mahommes or Watson and I was initially estatic that we were getting one of them. Thanks to Whaley, the joke was on us. Haha, when all else fails, blame Whaley. Do people really think the GM who was going to get fires was given total control of the draft? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, no name said: tiresome excuse. And yet true all the same and there is nothing disputable about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Amazing how people are criticizing Allen, while he is a rookie on this awful offense. Give the kid a break. If he is bad when the talent around him actually improves, then get on him. I know Bills fans are mad as they see the early success of guys like Mahomes and Watson, but you have to realize what those guys have to work with compared to Allen. Lay off Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, BillsVet said: No greater homer exists on all of TBD. None. Miss on potentially 2 franchise QBs in 2017? Nope, not Coach McD's fault. It really isnt actually...... And if the QB that we actually chose pans out.....there are gonna be a lot of stupid looking punchbowl pisser's on this board scrambling for their excuse for how they are behaving now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Imagine what he would look like here in Buffalo with this line and these weapons..... /thread Are you trying to say that the braintrust in charge would ruin franchise QB's based on how they built and coached this team. If that is the case they should be fired right now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Amazing how people are criticizing Allen, while he is a rookie on this awful offense. Give the kid a break. If he is bad when the talent around him actually improves, then get on him. I know Bills fans are mad as they see the early success of guys like Mahomes and Watson, but you have to realize what those guys have to work with compared to Allen. Lay off Allen. The instant grat crowd will not approve of this message .........even if its the truth Just now, CountDorkula said: Are you trying to say that the braintrust in charge would ruin franchise QB's based on how they built and coached this team. If that is the case they should be fired right now. Im saying that if you just switched the QBs.....and nothing else about the teams....BOTH of those QBs would be struggling here in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Imagine what he would look like here in Buffalo with this line and these weapons..... /thread You can't "/thread" your own response That's internet 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, buffalobillswin said: You can't "/thread" your own response That's internet 101 Internet rules were meant to be broken.....:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Oh boy. I do declare the rumors of Watson's demise were greatly exaggerated. Here's what our beautiful boy out of Clemson is doing through 8 games: 5-3 as a starter, 3 game-winning drives 2389 passing yards, 10th in the NFL 17 passing TD's (tied for 8th with Tom Brady) 7 INT's (tied with Brady and Mahomes) Passer rating 100.8 (tied for 10th with Cam) All while being the second most sacked QB in the NFL. If Mahomes wasn't breaking records, Watson would be the talk of the second year QB town. Imagine passing on two franchise QB's in one draft. Couldn't be me. Again its all in context. If the Bills had Hopkins and Fuller(now on IR) as their WR's pretty sure the QB would look better. It all works in conjunction. Rodgers has looked bad at times he had people injured too...so has Brady. At the end of the day the Bills lack of weapons and piss poor pass blocking is making the QB look worse than they otherwise would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He had a chest injury and couldn’t even fly on the team plane. Plus, we have a pretty good D. I feel bad leaving John all alone on the homer front. I enjoyed life as a Bills fan better as a homer. I so badly wish I could pretend Josh Allen was a good college Qb, or every offensive personnel by this regime wasn’t a disaster, or we didn’t pass on 2 really good qbs that we didn’t need to trade extra picks for. It would be so much easier. Haha, when all else fails, blame Whaley. Do people really think the GM who was going to get fires was given total control of the draft? This 100%. It's as if the homers think we ENJOY our skepticism (understatement) of Allen. It sucks! It's not fun. I'd love for you to be wrong. I'd love for Allen to be some kind of freak anomaly who improves accuracy/anticipation issues in the NFL. Sadly, I'm pretty much convinced that you're right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: History shows that probably won't happen. Actually, history and statistics have no relevance to any specific individual. They are group statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, njbuff said: Amazing how people are criticizing Allen, while he is a rookie on this awful offense. Give the kid a break. If he is bad when the talent around him actually improves, then get on him. I know Bills fans are mad as they see the early success of guys like Mahomes and Watson, but you have to realize what those guys have to work with compared to Allen. Lay off Allen. Overall agreed but it’s worth noting that the regime that put this terrible offense together also picked Allen. There are a lot of folks who think Allen was a very shaky pick. 18 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: This 100%. It's as if the homers think we ENJOY our skepticism (understatement) of Allen. It sucks! It's not fun. I'd love for you to be wrong. I'd love for Allen to be some kind of freak anomaly who improves accuracy/anticipation issues in the NFL. Sadly, I'm pretty much convinced that you're right. I hate “being right” about how awful I knew this offense was going to be during the offense. I laughed at people who thought Daboll was an upgrade at OC or Benjamin could be a number 1 receiver. I would rather have been wrong and been laughed at for being wrong because it would mean the Bills were winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I feel bad leaving John all alone on the homer front. I enjoyed life as a Bills fan better as a homer. I so badly wish I could pretend Josh Allen was a good college Qb, or every offensive personnel by this regime wasn’t a disaster, or we didn’t pass on 2 really good qbs that we didn’t need to trade extra picks for. It would be so much easier. Haha, when all else fails, blame Whaley. Do people really think the GM who was going to get fires was given total control of the draft? Please do better criticizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Overall agreed but it’s worth noting that the regime that put this terrible offense together also picked Allen. I liked Josh Allen a lot going into the draft, but the fact that he was drafted by McBean and Co. is a huge red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Imagine what he would look like here in Buffalo with this line and these weapons..... /thread We drafted Peterman that year instead. Imagine Peterman in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, mannc said: I liked Josh Allen a lot going into the draft, but the fact that he was drafted by McBean and Co. is a huge red flag. I hated Allen as a prospect and wish the Jets drafted him. However if a guy like Reid or proven offensive coach drafted him, that would have opened my eyes. Instead the group that traded for Kelvin Benjamin and traded up for Zay instead of taking JuJu or Kupp did. It is terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 11” hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He had a chest injury and couldn’t even fly on the team plane. Plus, we have a pretty good D. I feel bad leaving John all alone on the homer front. I enjoyed life as a Bills fan better as a homer. I so badly wish I could pretend Josh Allen was a good college Qb, or every offensive personnel by this regime wasn’t a disaster, or we didn’t pass on 2 really good qbs that we didn’t need to trade extra picks for. It would be so much easier. Haha, when all else fails, blame Whaley. Do people really think the GM who was going to get fires was given total control of the draft? How soon you forget him bragging when going out the door about him leaving the Bills two number ones.... It was Whaley and I would suspect McClappy may have had an input or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 hours ago, CountDorkula said: Are you trying to say that the braintrust in charge would ruin franchise QB's based on how they built and coached this team. If that is the case they should be fired right now. Hahaha... don't drop that knowledge on him. That's way too logical. 1 hour ago, Spiderweb said: How soon you forget him bragging when going out the door about him leaving the Bills two number ones.... It was Whaley and I would suspect McClappy may have had an input or two. It was definitely McDermott. I don't think we know how that remark was made. No one is giving the GM control of the draft then firing that guy the day after. I mean, maybe they would. They did try to spin it as reinventing the NFL calendar, and that's too stupid of a claim for me to believe anyone would genuinely make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 hours ago, John from Riverside said: It really isnt actually...... And if the QB that we actually chose pans out.....there are gonna be a lot of stupid looking punchbowl pisser's on this board scrambling for their excuse for how they are behaving now. This thread isn't about whether our guy works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: This thread isn't about whether our guy works out. You know that guy was raised in a trailer, "punchbowl pissers"? What kind of weird experience did he have? I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Oh boy. I do declare the rumors of Watson's demise were greatly exaggerated. Here's what our beautiful boy out of Clemson is doing through 8 games: 5-3 as a starter, 3 game-winning drives 2389 passing yards, 10th in the NFL 17 passing TD's (tied for 8th with Tom Brady) 7 INT's (tied with Brady and Mahomes) Passer rating 100.8 (tied for 10th with Cam) All while being the second most sacked QB in the NFL. If Mahomes wasn't breaking records, Watson would be the talk of the second year QB town. Imagine passing on two franchise QB's in one draft. Couldn't be me. Watson is a decent QB thus far....but you cherry picked some stats here. He is actually now SIX and 3 as the starter but ALL 6 of those wins have been against teams with a losing record except 5-4 Miami....at home. 3 Game winning drives? Anyone remember the "Drive" he had after the Colts failed on 4th Down in Overtime? Or the "drive" he had when the Cowboys decided not to go for it.....in overtime? Impressive stuff. Watson's last 4 yardage totals. 177,139,239.213. He hasn't thrown for over 300 yards in a NON OVERTIME game since a week 3 loss to the Giants. He does only have 7 INTS, but he also has substantially fewer attempts than Brady and Mahomes. Passer Rating continues to be the single most garbage stat out there....try QBR of 60.2 Watson..good for 16th in the NFL...or exactly AVERAGE. ....also worth mentioning Watson is 2nd in the NFL with 7 fumbles. ...and only 1 rushing TD....Brady and Mahomes each have 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: Watson is a decent QB thus far....but you cherry picked some stats here. He is actually now SIX and 3 as the starter but ALL 6 of those wins have been against teams with a losing record except 5-4 Miami....at home. 3 Game winning drives? Anyone remember the "Drive" he had after the Colts failed on 4th Down in Overtime? Or the "drive" he had when the Cowboys decided not to go for it.....in overtime? Impressive stuff. Watson's last 4 yardage totals. 177,139,239.213. He hasn't thrown for over 300 yards in a NON OVERTIME game since a week 3 loss to the Giants. He does only have 7 INTS, but he also has substantially fewer attempts than Brady and Mahomes. Passer Rating continues to be the single most garbage stat out there....try QBR of 60.2 Watson..good for 16th in the NFL...or exactly AVERAGE. ....also worth mentioning Watson is 2nd in the NFL with 7 fumbles. ...and only 1 rushing TD....Brady and Mahomes each have 2. You play who is on the schedule babe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: You play who is on the schedule babe. yes, you do. He lost to the Giants at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: yes, you do. He lost to the Giants at home. 6-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 15 hours ago, K-9 said: It’s fricken schizoid. Not sure I understand it, otherwise. I figured the OP (or his keyboard) had the hiccups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Imagine what he would look like here in Buffalo with this line and these weapons..... /thread His line is not great...PFF has their line as.... Dead freaking last. Keep lying for the Bills though. /You never will stop making excuses for them, will you? 2 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: yes, you do. He lost to the Giants at home. Vikings must be the worst team in the league, huh....wait. Terribly dumb point. Edited November 7, 2018 by Elite Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 i have not read the whole thread, and this is not an indictment of Watson per se..but the Texans are the luckiest 6-0 team in the history of 6 game win streaks. Truly SHOULD have lost 3 of those games, could have lost two and should have tied 1. And more than a few of those games against awful teams. I can tell you from a betting standpoint, I will focus on their games this season, and I know way to early but can almost call a big regression in 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Come on guys we have a qb who was dynamic at Wyoming ... oh wait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 17 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Imagine what he would look like here in Buffalo with this line and these weapons..... /thread “Bills leadership can do no wrong because they shipped out so much talent” /jfr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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