dave mcbride Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Calm down. It’s a movie quote. Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels. Guy Ritchie? Know it? Jeez... You know, I've never seen it. I remember it when it came out. Re Ritchie, I've seen the Sherlock movies (mostly good) and King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (terrible). That's it. Edited October 11, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You know, I've never seen it. I remember it when it came out. Re Ritchie, I've seen the Sherlock movies (mostly good) and King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (terrible). That's it. You have to see Snatch and Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels. You can thank me later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Calm down. It’s a movie quote. Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels. Guy Ritchie? Know it? Jeez... Chiiiill Winston..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the Jags will have to provide tax-free player contracts/pay their taxes for them if they play 4 games/year there. Players on all teams get a one game tax bill when they play in London. That payment would be part of their salary and would be taxable in US and would apply to NFL salary cap also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This has been brewing for a long time and it will be interesting to see how it plays out, if and when Khan pushes the issue to the breaking point. The big factor that immediately hits me is jet lag for the teams traveling to England for a game, probably losing a day or 2 of preparation for the game, etc. However, the owners will be focused on their pocket books and not the health of players, be sure of that. If it is cost effective or hugely profitable to make the NFL a multi-continental sporting league, that will be the future of the NFL. What will stop it is a lack of interest in the sport from Europeans and lack of profit. And only that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This is likely to make St Doug more miserable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: This has been brewing for a long time and it will be interesting to see how it plays out, if and when Khan pushes the issue to the breaking point. The big factor that immediately hits me is jet lag for the teams traveling to England for a game, probably losing a day or 2 of preparation for the game, etc. However, the owners will be focused on their pocket books and not the health of players, be sure of that. If it is cost effective or hugely profitable to make the NFL a multi-continental sporting league, that will be the future of the NFL. What will stop it is a lack of interest in the sport from Europeans and lack of profit. And only that. I think the jet lag thing is being overblown, as it isn't that much more than East to West coast, or vice versa. I suppose if it's a West coast team, it does become more of an issue, but I'm sure there are work arounds for that. I would also say that my impression is that while it's true that many fans who attend games in London, are fans of the sport itself, there does appear to be a burgeoning fanbase of Jags fans there. You see jerseys from all teams, but even with the opponents representing, there are still way more Jags jerseys around than any other team, at least for their 'home' games. Capacity wise, Wembley has an additional 20,000 seats. There's money to be made there. Probably an extra $1-2m just in bums on seats, and that would be assuming similar seat prices. Iirc, seat prices for the Jags/Bills game weren't exactly cheap. I would think you could add a few extra million in for prices being higher for seats in London. As to the taxation issues etc., I'm sure there's deals to be made. The UK government is more than capable of doing some sort of deal whereby so long as they get a reasonable lump sum, they aren't necessarily going to be chasing down NFL players for percentages of game checks. There are also recipricoal arrangements already in place between the UK and US, as regards income taxation, and it's posiible that some sort of exemptions could be granted in respect of those. As to not letting guys in with criminal records, well that's simply tough sh1t. Maybe the thought of getting a record, might make one or two think twice before doing some of the dumb crap they seem to insist on pulling. In respect of the above, it would seem that there haven't been too many issues in the past, and a lot of teams have played in London already. Whhile undoubtedly a legitimate concern, and a potential problem for a team and player(s), the reality appears that it's less of an issue than it might be. While Khan may have made some big steps along the way, it's by no means certain that he will be 'allowed' to buy Wembley. There will be an awful lot of people who would oppose the sale of the Stadium of the UK's National Sport, as a matter of principle, and the political situation in the country is fairly unstable at the moment. The current government may not last another 6 months, with the way things are going, and who knows what a new government might do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This "halfway" approach will not work. A team that plays 4 games in one place and 4 in another isn't really based anywhere. Neither city really has a team in that scenario. Jacksonville would just be a box to check whereas London would be the exciting, desirable place to be. But it wouldn't really be a London team because they play 4 games in Jacksonville. What would the team name be? What free agents would want to sign with a team constantly on the road? then the biggest question: how much more miserable would this make Doug Marrone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Which national anthem will be sung at Wembley? What if a player turns their back on the Queen? This gonna get ugly. Kneeling wont be an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Cool....more 6am games. I usually wake up during the 2Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: So does that mean Kaepernick will stand if he ever plays in London? Or if they play both anthems he will stand then kneel? He’ll order an Atumnal mead and be sent to the pit of misery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 hours ago, H2o said: It would suck to be on the Jags if this happens, especially if you have a family. Would it? London, UK is sort of a happening city of you haven’t heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Would it? London, UK is sort of a happening city of you haven’t heard. If your family is in America and you're stuck in London for a week or two at a time I believe that would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, H2o said: If your family is in America and you're stuck in London for a week or two at a time I believe that would suck. Move your family over. Being a millionaire has its advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: Move your family over. Being a millionaire has its advantages. If they would want to go, then yes. If they didn't then you're basically looking at being away from home for 16 weeks out of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 58 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Would it? London, UK is sort of a happening city of you haven’t heard. 1965 to 1968, it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 12 hours ago, dpberr said: Wouldn't it make more sense just to relocate the team elsewhere in the United States if the JAX market isn't a viable one? That plan of his is so stupid. While there are many US markets that would welcome them, the point of the move has more to do with the next TV contract.....so here is what I mean.....the US TV market is pretty well mature in that even in non NFL markets, the viewership is high...you don't gain a signifigant amount of new viewers by putting a team in....San Antonio...those people are already watching NFL games on TV.....that is why any further moves or expansion will be in international markets.....If you expand to San Antonio, Portland, Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City....you don't really add TV viewers...but the owners end up having to split the same TV contract with 4 additonal teams....they don't want to....they need to add more eyes in other markets to grow the TV money...Jax isn't a problem of being or not being a viable market...that isn't the problem...it's as vaible as any other domestic market....Adding London to the TV mix along with Toronto and Mexico City (or some new market with new eyes) gets the owners a bunch of new TV viewers wich means more TV money...that is what this is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, row_33 said: 1965 to 1968, it was It swung like a pendulum do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good grief, Why? It would be a logistical nightmare for both the Jags and for their opponents. How could they be sure it would make them money enough to compensate for all the extra expenses? Canadian fans didn't exactly "take" to NFL games and they have American football of their own. Where's @GunnerBillto weigh in here? Between Soccer, Rugby, and if they want something exotic Gaelic football or Hurling - um, now to put this politely? Many Brits and Europeans that I've known actually regard American Football as, er, um............. somewhat UNMANLY. Giles the Librarian's quote from Buffy kind of sums up the attitude: " I think it’s rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just to play a game like rugby." A London team will happen. It is when not if. The games here sell out in minutes. There were 4 last year and you would hardly call them prime matchups..... all sold out. American Football is bigger here than most Americans presume.... it is certainly bigger than GAA (gaelic and hurling). TV audiences were steadily up for about a decade, though seem to have plateued a little the last year or two. The games are actually supported by the whole continent - lots of dutch, spanish, scandanavians and germans come over - a flight to London being about £50 and taking an hour. It makes it affordable for many in a way flying trans Atlantic often isn't. Would a team playing 8 home games a year here have enough support to make it viable long term? I am not sure. Early on they would get crowds... whether that would last especially if the team sucked I am not convinced. The Wembley deal seems dead anyway. The FA council seems to have killed it much to the dismay of the money hungry tossers on the FA executive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Doug Marrone with all his dry sarcasm will fit in well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I'd support a franchise in Mexico for sure, that could be good clean fun and ease tension between us. London though? How would that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 If the Steelers play a game in London there will be two Big Bens in town. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 2-3 games should be the max no matter how the UK fans respond to it.... What happens when they inevitably turn into the gag-uars again? Shahid wont like it... He'll think it's not Kosher. Edited October 12, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 hours ago, H2o said: If they would want to go, then yes. If they didn't then you're basically looking at being away from home for 16 weeks out of 17. Be realistic. Where would a young, wealthy family rather go. London, UK or Buffalo, NY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Be realistic. Where would a young, wealthy family rather go. London, UK or Buffalo, NY? The US is comprised of more than just Buffalo, NY. Edited October 12, 2018 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Be realistic. Where would a young, wealthy family rather go. London, UK or Buffalo, NY? I have never been to Buffalo but London is the best city in the world in my opinion. I might be biaised having lived here for 12 years but there is genuinely nowhere I would rather live. Young wealthy people from all walks of life flock here. I don't see why NFL players would not want to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 the last 40 headlines out of London aren't helping matters Marion Barry's DC is looking like Disneyland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I'm quite happy in Toronto with a few visits a year to my favourite US city to visit, Buffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Welcome to the jags, where every game is a road game. Here is a big middle finger to you Jax season ticket holders. Guess youre dolphins fans now... Edited October 12, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Welcome to the jags, where every game is a road game. Here is a big middle finger to you Jax season ticket holders. Guess youre dolphins fans now... it can always be worse with people only caring about your franchise in regards to moving it right out of the USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 hours ago, PeterDude said: Goodell wants teams in other countries. He does?? He has nothing to do with this. It's the owner and the other owners' choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He does?? He has nothing to do with this. It's the owner and the other owners' choice. and the darker elements that control the owners...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, row_33 said: and the darker elements that control the owners...... Yeah, pretty naive take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: While there are many US markets that would welcome them, the point of the move has more to do with the next TV contract.....so here is what I mean.....the US TV market is pretty well mature in that even in non NFL markets, the viewership is high...you don't gain a signifigant amount of new viewers by putting a team in....San Antonio...those people are already watching NFL games on TV.....that is why any further moves or expansion will be in international markets.....If you expand to San Antonio, Portland, Oklahoma City and Salt Lake City....you don't really add TV viewers...but the owners end up having to split the same TV contract with 4 additonal teams....they don't want to....they need to add more eyes in other markets to grow the TV money...Jax isn't a problem of being or not being a viable market...that isn't the problem...it's as vaible as any other domestic market....Adding London to the TV mix along with Toronto and Mexico City (or some new market with new eyes) gets the owners a bunch of new TV viewers wich means more TV money...that is what this is about. This is accurate. While there is still a little room to grow in the US market... International is largely untapped money that would/could take the league to the next level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, PeterDude said: Yeah, pretty naive take... The naive take is that Goodell has any say or influence as to where the owners of the NFL want and choose to make their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Never happen, they wouldn't be able to attract UFAs to leave their families. Toronto is one thing London would be totally different as far as living in a different country. If a UFA had, say 4 offers from Buffalo (snow/cold), London(rain/fog), Tampa(heat), and Dallas(heat). I'm thinking London is 4th on that list by a lot unless they offer twice the $$$ as the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: This is accurate. While there is still a little room to grow in the US market... International is largely untapped money that would/could take the league to the next level That's assuming that the NFL is more than a niche sport in the UK market or that there is a 1:1 ratio between ad rates in a counties like the US and Mexico. An NFL team in London would directly compete with the EPL every Sunday for ratings. The EPL would destroy the NFL, relagating the NFL to the ratings equivalent of Sunday afternoon bowling on ESPN. Jacksonville, for all the flack it takes, is one of the larger US markets. The US networks and advertisers would not be happy losing it, especially now that the team is a playoff contender. US networks would lose ratings, which set the rates for advertising. This would negatively impact league revenues, off-setting the gain from foreign market revenues. The EPL has been growing its following in the US over the last few years. It's probably done a better job of penetrating the US market than the NFL has done penetrating the UK market. However, even with that success, I don't see a team like Everton deciding to play half their games in Yankee stadium (where it would be lucky to pull MSL-like ratings). The league's domestic revenues far outpace any potential US revenues. This is about a rich guy who wants to do all his business in London. Any business or competitive reason given for a move like this requires a massive leap of faith. The reality is that the team won't be competitive because it won't be able to attract talent, and it will cause the league to take a massive hit in revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Never really thought it was all that practical but when I did go out there for the Bills game in 2015 it was an amazing time( with the exception of EJ’s performance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 8 hours ago, NewDayBills said: I'd support a franchise in Mexico for sure, that could be good clean fun and ease tension between us. London though? How would that work? What tension? They send us a million poor people each year and we say “sure, no problem...tell your friends!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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