Boca BIlls Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, BillsRdue said: I don't see it. Shady has been very vocal about his support for Buffalo and he's bought in. I'm glad they want him around. This also shows the Bills are not in tank mode. The only question baffling me is the faith in our current WR's. They've made moves on the OL, but how they keep coming up empty at WR is troubling. We need better OL and WR so the idiots want to get rid of the only good offensive weapon this team has in favor for average to below average RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, eball said: The posters who continue to undervalue what Shady means to this team amaze me. His pedestrian numbers so far this season don't speak to his [still] elite talent -- you don't give that away unless somebody is offering stupid value. Exactly and they know that their jobs likely hinge on the development of josh Allen. They are already devoid of offensive talent. Taking away the best player on that side of the ball in his rookie year, especially after they have established a rapport, doesn’t make sense. At this point they need to ADD offensive weapons, not take them away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Lol stop thinking about money it means nothing. This 8s the dumbest way to look at it. There is a reason the other RBs are making less money... they aren't as good. Production means everything. Money follows production and when production stops so does the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Epstein's Mother said: Production means everything. Money follows production and when production stops so does the money. The productions hasnt stopped... money means nothing when you aren't replacing it with anything. Just becomes empty money for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 If we win today, we have a decent chance at 5-5 before the bye week. Then 4 of the last 6 are at home, with games against the Jets, Lions and 2 versus Miami left. The playoffs are wide open and our defense may be good enough to get us there. Making the playoffs two years in a row would do so, so, so much more for the Bills than a 3rd or 4th round pick for Shady will. Let's see what happens today. If we win, I don't think you can trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Epstein's Mother said: The Bills are not going to get extraordinary compensation for McCoy. When you couple the NFL's declining value it puts on RB's with Shady's declining output and age it makes no sense for a team to overpay. Unless you are Philly who knows they are in a window for another SB and feel he could greatly help get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Lol stop thinking about money it means nothing. This 8s the dumbest way to look at it. There is a reason the other RBs are making less money... they aren't as good. You have to remember that a large contingent of fans care more about Mr. Pegula's financial well being than winning football games and are irresistibly drawn to "low cost, short term solutions". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Dumb dumb dumb if they get good value they absolutely should move on from McCoy. "Unlikely" not won't. They would, but their price is steep because his value is not just based on his "production." He is the heart and soul of the offense, just as Kyle is on D (and the team as a whole). 38 minutes ago, WhoTom said: I was looking at the $6M for next year. Yeah, I know the O has sucked this year, but I have hope that they'll add WR talent next year to open things up a little. If that happens, McCoy for $6M isn't a bad deal. Now, if Philly makes us an offer we can't refuse, then I'm not opposed to trading him. Shady adds a lot more to the O than what his current stats are. He is the only player that requires game planning against. Trading him means you've given up on the season, and no one is ready to admit that. Maybe after the Colts game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Great. Keep shady. He can still be a big part of this when it gets real good. If we win the next 2 games we might make the playoffs this year. Keep Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Valiant effort Yolo, but some how I knew this was not coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Nice tell everyone you’re keeping him so they raise their offer after he goes off the next two weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, eball said: The posters who continue to undervalue what Shady means to this team amaze me. His pedestrian numbers so far this season don't speak to his [still] elite talent -- you don't give that away unless somebody is offering stupid value. How long do you think he maintains elite skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: How long do you think he maintains elite skills? I wouldn't bet against this year and next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 You think Allen has it tough now? Trade away the only player opposing defenses have to worry about and it'd be nearly impossible for Allen to find any success out there. Shady's a big fan of Allen and is helping him out with more than just on the field things. Hang onto him until you have a viable option ready to replace him, which they don't have right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, eball said: I wouldn't bet against this year and next. What would you bet on though. Confident in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: What would you bet on though. Confident in 2019? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: The article says they arent getting good value which is why they aren't trading... learn to read A 4th is good value. For a 30 year old back. Stop over valuing players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: A 4th is good value. For a 30 year old back. Stop over valuing players Learn how to value players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, eball said: The posters who continue to undervalue what Shady means to this team amaze me. His pedestrian numbers so far this season don't speak to his [still] elite talent -- you don't give that away unless somebody is offering stupid value. What does he mean to the WORST offense in the NFL who’s best game as an Offense had Him on the Sideline?? I 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsRdue said: I don't see it. Shady has been very vocal about his support for Buffalo and he's bought in. I'm glad they want him around. This also shows the Bills are not in tank mode. The only question baffling me is the faith in our current WR's. They've made moves on the OL, but how they keep coming up empty at WR is troubling. The available wr's right now is practically nothing. The list of FA wr's in March is weak. We're not wasting a ton of cap $ on 32 year old guys. We'll probably draft 3 wrs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, TPS said: "Unlikely" not won't. They would, but their price is steep because his value is not just based on his "production." He is the heart and soul of the offense, just as Kyle is on D (and the team as a whole). Shady adds a lot more to the O than what his current stats are. He is the only player that requires game planning against. Trading him means you've given up on the season, and no one is ready to admit that. Maybe after the Colts game... Really??? What happened in Minny when they had their BEST offensive performance and he was on the sideline? 4 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Learn how to value players. I do. He is worth a 4th. If you get a 3rd count your blessings. Anything more is Robbery taking advantage of a desperate team and for Transparency I do like Shady. Edited October 14, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Really??? What happened in Minny when they had their BEST offensive performance and he was on the sideline? Defense? I love when people look at one game and think it is a season. So freaking funny and it's why they are always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mrags said: If we get offered anything better than a 3rd round pick we should take the deal and run like the wind. Shady hasnt been good. He’s making too much. I’d rather have Ivory and Murphy at RB than Shady. They run with more purpose. Always running forward. Shady is always bouncing around looking for the Homerun and it costs him those 2-4 yards that Ivory gets by simply running north and south. I've been spending way too much time watching the run blocking. The reason Shady did better vs Titans is that they fixed it. Went away from the fancy-pants stuff that wasn't working into a more straightforward "see your man/beat your man" thing with a lot of 12 and 22 personnel - but used in clever ways that either made the D second-guess or provided Mccoy with a lead blocker. Ivory and Murphy are the better backs running in a crowd with minimal OL help but given any kind of holes, even without a lead blocker, they don't make the runs Shady made. 1 hour ago, mrags said: Oh yeah, and there was already a Shady thread. Why isn’t this in there? [mod note: good idea. Is now] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Defense? I love when people look at one game and think it is a season. So freaking funny and it's why they are always wrong. Ahhh so they played a very good to top end defense without a 30 year old RB and had their best offensive performance? And that isnt something to use. Ok. Want to know why he is worth a 4th or 3rd. He is Old. His performance is falling off the cliff and his off field stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Thank you. I love McCoy. Build the OLine and get some help at WR...he will be the old McCoy as far as production. I agree. a top 30 NFL player and this RB is still elite if given any semblance of a hole to run through. And he is doing it without much of an offensive threat besides himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhh so they played a very good to top end defense without a 30 year old RB and had their best offensive performance? And that isnt something to use. Ok. Want to know why he is worth a 4th or 3rd. He is Old. His performance is falling off the cliff and his off field stuff Wasn't falling off last week if you want to use one week to justify everything. So wrong again I guess since only what happened recently matters in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: If the Bills lose two ( or more) of the next three, McCoy will be traded. No way it happens before they retire Thurman’s jersey vs New England. It will be a deadline day deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 SMOKESCREEN! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 He is worth more to the Bills than just a 3rd or 4th round pick. His salary is reasonable and Allen has zero weapons as is. I'd throw McCoy the ball 8-10 times every game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If the Bills lose two ( or more) of the next three, McCoy will be traded. No way it happens before they retire Thurman’s jersey vs New England. It will be a deadline day deal. I think it depends on whether the Bills still want to try to develop Allen past that point (i believe they do) and if they feel Shady gives them a better chance to do that (he does). Edited October 14, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I've been spending way too much time watching the run blocking. The reason Shady did better vs Titans is that they fixed it. Went away from the fancy-pants stuff that wasn't working into a more straightforward "see your man/beat your man" thing with a lot of 12 and 22 personnel - but used in clever ways that either made the D second-guess or provided Mccoy with a lead blocker. Ivory and Murphy are the better backs running in a crowd with minimal OL help but given any kind of holes, even without a lead blocker, they don't make the runs Shady made. [mod note: good idea. Is now] Or the catches and run after catch he makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 They are 100% trying to trade him. Just trying to get the highest price they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Asking too much for Shady, effectively refusing to move him to a team that wants him, is stupid and the wrong move. Another mistake for McBeane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Asking too much for Shady, effectively refusing to move him to a team that wants him, is stupid and the wrong move. Another mistake for McBeane. You have no idea what the hell is going on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 So we've done our best to take a ridiculously high dead cap number in an effort to help us in the future, at the cost of having a less talented team now. But we won't trade a 30 year old RB ? Much as I love Shady, now that Ivory/Murphy have shown to be capable RB's I see no reason to not trade him. Hopefully this is just the Bills trying to increase his trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it depends on whether the Bills still want to try to develop Allen past that point (i believe they do) and if they feel Shady gives them a better chance to do that (he does). I don’t believe the Bills interest in developing their first round pick at QB is intertwined with a 30 year old McCoy being on the team or not. Having McCoy around may add something marginally to his progress, but I’d guess it is negligible. If the right offer is made (and the Bills record gets worse)I think McCoy goes . Allen’s development will remain a priority regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: Wasn't falling off last week if you want to use one week to justify everything. So wrong again I guess since only what happened recently matters in the NFL. Really so 24 runs for 85 yards 3.5 AVG 0 TDs is normal Shady McCoy? that screams NORMAL AVG RB stats. 48 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: He is worth more to the Bills than just a 3rd or 4th round pick. His salary is reasonable and Allen has zero weapons as is. I'd throw McCoy the ball 8-10 times every game So Kamara (3rd round Pick) would not mean ALOT to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 It honestly amazes me that there are actually Bills fans who seem mad that the Bills don’t want to trade Shady for a 4th or 5th round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: It honestly amazes me that there are actually Bills fans who seem mad that the Bills don’t want to trade Shady for a 4th or 5th round pick. I said a 3rd or better. If Allen makes it and this team is good with him as the QB, Shady won't be a part of the picture here. In fact, he is likely to be gone next year. Moving him now, in an already lost season, in exchange for some compensation makes a lot more sense than losing him for nothing at season's end. No? Are you still amazed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 In the report they also made it sound like beane expects to get calls on mccoy from other teams. So it sounds like he is trying to get a bidding war going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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