DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 It bothered me when the announcers said Bojorquez has the most punts inside the 20 and is doing a great job yesterday. My personal opinion is that he has been pretty bad so far this season. Bojorquez is a little below average in terms of yards on punts (18th) and is perfectly average on net yards per punt (16th). After week 5 he has the 2nd most punts inside the 20. How could a punter with stats like that be bad? Simply put: hang-time, turnovers, and the Bills dreadful offense. He is dead last in hang time. That speaks for itself. A 48 yard punt with no hang time that gets returned 50 yards is not a good punt. We've given up 2 huge punt returns due to a lack of hang time that's resulted in FG's each time (Ravens and Titans game) He's also directly responsible for 2 turnovers. The fumble against the Ravens in week 1 in the rain has been mostly forgotten (the game was laughable by that point anyway). The "fake" FG yesterday is the dumbest thing I've seen a punter do in quite some time. He pulls up to throw the ball and quickly realizes that he's the only guy on the Bills that thought the call was for a fake and puts the ball back down to try and have Hauschka kick it (who cannot kick at this point as his timing is screwed). How does Bojorquez realize it's not a fake in <1 second and react that quickly to put the ball back down? I think he just completely panicked on that play. Lastly, the Bills dreadful offense. It's really easy to have a lot of punt yards when your offense is 31st in yards for (much longer field to work with). He has the 31 punt attempts (2nd most) in the league including 7 from the opponent's side of midfield. A punt from the opponents 47 yd line that goes out of bounds at the 19 is not a good punt, even it counts as an inside the 20. Found this little gem in a PFF article grading special team units through week 4: SPECIAL TEAMS RANK: 18 Special teams was a big reason they played above their metrics last year, and their regression there hasn’t helped much this season. New punter Corey Bojorquez has the lowest grade at his position group so far, accompanied by the lowest average hang time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 We should cut everybody and start over. Get it done Beane 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 ...And replace him with who? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Doesn’t look like he’s dwelling too much on yesterday 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Hope his shoulder is ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 He’s been very hit or miss. Has had some amazing punts but has also had some big blunders. I definitely wouldn’t cut him though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Fer shizzle??? I for one refuse to fall for this troll job!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: It bothered me when the announcers said Bojorquez has the most punts inside the 20 and is doing a great job yesterday. My personal opinion is that he has been pretty bad so far this season. Bojorquez is a little below average in terms of yards on punts (18th) and is perfectly average on net yards per punt (16th). After week 5 he has the 2nd most punts inside the 20. How could a punter with stats like that be bad? Simply put: hang-time, turnovers, and the Bills dreadful offense. He is dead last in hang time. That speaks for itself. A 48 yard punt with no hang time that gets returned 50 yards is not a good punt. We've given up 2 huge punt returns due to a lack of hang time that's resulted in FG's each time (Ravens and Titans game) He's also directly responsible for 2 turnovers. The fumble against the Ravens in week 1 in the rain has been mostly forgotten (the game was laughable by that point anyway). The "fake" FG yesterday is the dumbest thing I've seen a punter do in quite some time. He pulls up to throw the ball and quickly realizes that he's the only guy on the Bills that thought the call was for a fake and puts the ball back down to try and have Hauschka kick it (who cannot kick at this point as his timing is screwed). How does Bojorquez realize it's not a fake in <1 second and react that quickly to put the ball back down? I think he just completely panicked on that play. Lastly, the Bills dreadful offense. It's really easy to have a lot of punt yards when your offense is 31st in yards for (much longer field to work with). He has the 31 punt attempts (2nd most) in the league including 7 from the opponent's side of midfield. A punt from the opponents 47 yd line that goes out of bounds at the 19 is not a good punt, even it counts as an inside the 20. Found this little gem in a PFF article grading special team units through week 4: SPECIAL TEAMS RANK: 18 Special teams was a big reason they played above their metrics last year, and their regression there hasn’t helped much this season. New punter Corey Bojorquez has the lowest grade at his position group so far, accompanied by the lowest average hang time. Where do they come from; my god this is F****** stupid! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Lol silly.. Rookie development this year. Get used to the young guys making some boneheaded plays 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 lamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: It bothered me when the announcers said Bojorquez has the most punts inside the 20 and is doing a great job yesterday. My personal opinion is that he has been pretty bad so far this season. Bojorquez is a little below average in terms of yards on punts (18th) and is perfectly average on net yards per punt (16th). After week 5 he has the 2nd most punts inside the 20. You need to get a friggin' grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: ...And replace him with who? Random punter off the UFA scrapheap. When you have the worst punter in the league it's pretty easy to find a better one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: ...And replace him with who? The last guy. Smicht? Guess that's how you spell it. Hell bring back Moorman with the thunder foot lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) The long return yesterday was not a result of the lack of hang time. Conversely it was timed perfect for our defender to be there and be in the correct position. However said defender came in at the wrong angle and tried a one armed tackle which allowed the Titans returner to bounce towards the opposite side of the field that was not being defended. Edited October 9, 2018 by Cruiserplayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The punter is a silly overreaction. Crossman? That’s another story! How is he still there? Castillo is paid to take the heat off of Crossman? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Yes....the way he punted to the 2 yard line. He is just no good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Seriously? Was the “[NAME ONLY TITLE] Corey Bojorquez” thread just too narrow and esoteric for you, OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Wow.... just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Instant gratification is a b****. Put the cellphone down and enter the world my friend. Patience is a skill nowadays haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Doesn’t look like he’s dwelling too much on yesterday My money is on Jessica Pegula. At tennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Is it just me or does TBD have a lot of Trolls all of a sudden? (People really can't be this stupid, can they?) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 he's a new england plant. i want him hooked up to the poly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 He has done very well... cant cut people b.c of one bad performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Congratulations on making a nice, long post concerning a punter. Now go ban yourself. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: ...And replace him with who? Schmidt 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Congratulations on making a nice, long post concerning a punter. Now go ban yourself. I like that everyone has ignored my (and PFF's) analysis. People are blinded by the inside the 20 stat and ignoring the fact that our punter is the worst punter in the league and almost cost us a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, JXCOL3 said: We should cut everybody and start over. Get it done Beane Shhhhhhhh hes working on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, JXCOL3 said: We should cut everybody and start over. Get it done Beane Shouldn't we fire Beane first? Then cut everyone? Or do we force Mr. Pegula to sell the team go before firing Beane, the coaches, the players, and the night janitorial staff? I can never remember! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) If his hang time was relevant, his net average would be worse than his gross average. Since he’s 18th in gross and 16th in net, that means his hang time is basically irrelevant. Edited October 9, 2018 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hello. I am utter goofiness lacking insight or critical thought and I am here to stay at TBD. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: If his hang time was relevant, his net average would be worse than his gross average. Since he’s 18th in gross and 16th in net, that means his hang time is basically irrelevant. Thank you for reading my post and addressing one of the points I made. I would argue that having a superior punt coverage unit could compensate for having poor hang time. No idea how to actually 'prove' that or quantify it. Net yards on punts obviously has a lot to do with both hang-time and the coverage unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Ahhhh, PFF. A bunch of f***ing dorks who think they have a formula conducive to grading players which is legit above just watching a player actually play the game. If they were actually that great at player evaluation then they would be working for an actual NFL organization. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 He can't be cut until we get the payoff to the ingenious fake FG that we set up yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Schmidt Dude, it's only been five games? If we are going by stats after five games, then practically everybody on the roster should be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cruiserplayer said: The long return yesterday was not a result of the lack of hang time. Conversely it was timed perfect for our defender to be there and be in the correct position. However said defender came in at the wrong angle and tried a one armed tackle which allowed the Titans returner to bounce towards the opposite side of the field that was not being defended. On this play I thought Bojorquez had an angle to make the tackle and just peeled off to avoid contact. I know it's not his primary job but it annoyed me. Edited October 9, 2018 by buffalostu2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hey, you never know...maybe a fake was the call, and the other 10 got it wrong But seriously, the amount of premature pitchforks around here this year seems to be at an all time high. Take that $#!+ to Facebook where it belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Doesn’t look like he’s dwelling too much on yesterday Did he meet her as she got off the school bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said: Dude, it's only been five games? If we are going by stats after five games, then practically everybody on the roster should be cut. Just answering the question. Honestly don't know why they cut Schmidt over this guy but whatever it's punters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said: On this play I thought Bojorquez had an angle to make the tackle and just peeled off to avoid contact. I know it's not his primary job but it annoyed me. He was too far inside, but if memory serves me you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Hey, you never know...maybe a fake was the call, and the other 10 got it wrong But seriously, the amount of premature pitchforks around here this year seems to be at an all time high. Take that $#!+ to Facebook where it belongs. Punters and Kickers are some of the least valuable and easiest to replace positions in the NFL (unless you happen to have one of the handful of elite guys at those positions). There are only 32 spots in the NFL for each position, and there are a lot more than 32 guys that can do a serviceable job kicking the ball. Teams will routinely cut a punter/kicker after a few bad games (or even one). Bojorquez had a disaster of a game and very nearly cost us a win. There's no reason to keep him on the roster. Go pick up a Colton Schmidt or equivalent off the UFA scrapheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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