McDermott not pleased with WRs in practice

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So to be clear, these guys gutted the receiver room and replaced them with the worst receivers in the league. Now they are mad that these guys suck? Whose fault is that?

I’ve murdered them on how awful they have been on offensive talent on this team.  But that BS Ray Ray pilled is completely unacceptable and Coach was right to rip.  No player should be practicing like that, much less a 6th rounder who wasn’t even the best slot receiver on his college team.  

 

Lack of talent is a huge problem at receiver.  But that effort is trash and 100% on the player.  Ray Ray won’t be in the league long with that BS.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Somebody get Dez Bryant’s agent on the phone

And ask him to block Beanes number.

kidding

 

i couldn’t really hear what McDermott was saying but I am sure he is upset at the Wideouts. The way they played in the game this year is atrocious. They should be the hardest working bunch in practice. That body language was pretty lacks. Good for coach trying to fire them up. They are all NFL players, be one. 

[VW82]

Good for Sean. I admit to questioning him hard after all the off season decisions, naming Peterman starter and subsequent benching, Leslie Frazier, Vontae Davis, etc. He seems to have righted the ship somewhat.

 

We have arguably the worst QB and WR combo in the NFL. Some of that can be chalked up to youth, but you're not going to get better by dogging it in practice like Allen and Ray Ray did in that clip.

Edited September 26, 2018 by VW82

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

I'll say it again, his coaches aren't good coaches. They should have that sort of crap down on lock. If the head coach has to run over to restore order, that's a problem.

Exactly.. Daboll should of gotten reamed out after practice 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Has this made its rounds yet? It’s hilarious to me when people try and claim our wr situation “isn’t that bad”... it IS! IT SO FRIGGIN IS! 

Nothing like helping out your rookie QB. 

[JoeF]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It doesn’t matter if they are inspired or not. They are so limited that they won’t ever make an impact. Rudy was always inspired; he just wasn’t good at football. 

 

The people most most responsible for the quality of the receivers are McDermott & Beane.

Kirby, I absolutely agree but here's my "other side of the coin." 

 

Ray Ray and Foster, in particular, are practice squad material (maybe).  They are on the 53 drawing a full paycheck.  Ray Ray needs to understand this isn't Clemson.  Dabo's not going to be there to burp him and change his poopy diaper.  Leave that crap in college and take every rep in game prep practices like a pro.  Don't give me a Saturday walk-through goofy catch in a Wednesday practice.  McD was right to jump on this.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, billspro said:

 

How does an NFL team have a 9.4% drop rate? That is crazy.

Because we have garbage 3rd string wr's. Make em run every time they drop a ball. That'll get their attention. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, JoeF said:

Kirby, I absolutely agree but here's my "other side of the coin." 

 

Ray Ray and Foster, in particular, are practice squad material (maybe).  They are on the 53 drawing a full paycheck.  Ray Ray needs to understand this isn't Clemson.  Dabo's not going to be there to burp him and change his poopy diaper.  Leave that crap in college and take every rep in game prep practices like a pro.  Don't give me a Saturday walk-through goofy catch in a Wednesday practice.  McD was right to jump on this.

Ray Ray wasn’t even that good in college.  I hated that pick.  You can find a guy like that anywhere. And now he’s acting like he’s ODB?  I’m glad Ron Howard ripped him.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

24 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

People need to stop posting this. Dez's agent has already said he is only interested in a superbowl contender. The Bills and their now 30th in the power ranking is not this....

I am as pumped and feeling hopeful as the next guy after this last win, but one win after two blow outs with a rookie QB is not going to suddenly make a guy like Dez go "all they need is me for Super Bowl"

Welllll how long ago did his agent say that? I’m sure by now he’d just like a paycheck....

[pimp on da' net]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I love this by McD. It shows that details are important...

 

Why didn't Dabol, show the same concern? I hope the OC got a wake up as well.

[BringBackFergy]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It doesn’t matter if they are inspired or not. They are so limited that they won’t ever make an impact. Rudy was always inspired; he just wasn’t good at football. 

 

The people most most responsible for the quality of the receivers are McDermott & Beane.

Kirby - I respect you as a poster. Always good stuff. But disagree with your view on this. If the coach and GM want to change the “culture” (or as they say “football player DNA”) and build through the draft, they had to make a decision: either keep Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods (and pay them contracts we couldn’t afford) or cut bait with Dareus, Glenn, Tyrod and fill in the gaps with guys like Tre White, Milano, Edmunds, Hyde and Poyer. The offense be damned...the defense carried the season last year so I suppose WR’s and OLine are on the list this coming year. 

 

Anyway, I see your point but think there’s more to it than simply blaming them for bad WR’s....what else was out there besides these guys? Go Bills!

[PolishPrince]

3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Kirby - I respect you as a poster. Always good stuff. But disagree with your view on this. If the coach and GM want to change the “culture” (or as they say “football player DNA”) and build through the draft, they had to make a decision: either keep Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods (and pay them contracts we couldn’t afford) or cut bait with Dareus, Glenn, Tyrod and fill in the gaps with guys like Tre White, Milano, Edmunds, Hyde and Poyer. The offense be damned...the defense carried the season last year so I suppose WR’s and OLine are on the list this coming year. 

 

Anyway, I see your point but think there’s more to it than simply blaming them for bad WR’s....what else was out there besides these guys? Go Bills!

Exactly this, Watkins was gone after last season anyway. Woods was already not going to sign with us again, and why would he want to? No WR unless they are trying to prove they belong in the league, or are getting WAY over paid would choose to go to a team who only throws to actual WR's a couple of times a game.

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Kirby, I absolutely agree but here's my "other side of the coin." 

 

Ray Ray and Foster, in particular, are practice squad material (maybe).  They are on the 53 drawing a full paycheck.  Ray Ray needs to understand this isn't Clemson.  Dabo's not going to be there to burp him and change his poopy diaper.  Leave that crap in college and take every rep in game prep practices like a pro.  Don't give me a Saturday walk-through goofy catch in a Wednesday practice.  McD was right to jump on this.

 

28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’ve murdered them on how awful they have been on offensive talent on this team.  But that BS Ray Ray pilled is completely unacceptable and Coach was right to rip.  No player should be practicing like that, much less a 6th rounder who wasn’t even the best slot receiver on his college team.  

 

Lack of talent is a huge problem at receiver.  But that effort is trash and 100% on the player.  Ray Ray won’t be in the league long with that BS.

I don’t disagree that he should have jumped him. I guess the point is I would agree more if he was jumping Robert Woods or Sammy Watkins. It’s his fault that there are guys the quality of Ray Ray McCloud on the active roster to yell at. 

[PolishPrince]

12 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Welllll how long ago did his agent say that? I’m sure by now he’d just like a paycheck....

His agent said that before the season... and as far as I know they havent made a statement otherwise, nor have they made any statements expressing a great desire to play. You are making a random assumption what you THINK you MIGHT do if you were in his shoes. But you are not Dez, and the only info we DO KNOW is that he has said he will only sign with a Superbowl contender

[starrymessenger]

Lack of talent is one thing. Lack of effort is another. Many of the game's greatest players are said to always practice hard. If it's good enuf for Khalil Mack it better be good enuf for Ray Ray Whoever. Any more of this and he should straight up be drop kicked out of Buffalo.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Kirby - I respect you as a poster. Always good stuff. But disagree with your view on this. If the coach and GM want to change the “culture” (or as they say “football player DNA”) and build through the draft, they had to make a decision: either keep Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods (and pay them contracts we couldn’t afford) or cut bait with Dareus, Glenn, Tyrod and fill in the gaps with guys like Tre White, Milano, Edmunds, Hyde and Poyer. The offense be damned...the defense carried the season last year so I suppose WR’s and OLine are on the list this coming year. 

 

Anyway, I see your point but think there’s more to it than simply blaming them for bad WR’s....what else was out there besides these guys? Go Bills!

There were lots of things that they could have done instead of trading for Mathews, Kaelin Clay & Benjamin. They took guys in the 6th and 7th and some undrafted FAs. They signed journeymen receivers in Streater, Holmes & Kerley and traded up in round 2 for Zay Jones. Literally every WR decision that they have made has been wrong. The people most responsible for this are McDermott and Beane. 

 

I’m not excusing McCloud but I’m not praising McDermott for it either. This mess is on him.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Seanbillsfan2206]

2 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

His agent said that before the season... and as far as I know they havent made a statement otherwise, nor have they made any statements expressing a great desire to play. You are making a random assumption what you THINK you MIGHT do if you were in his shoes. But you are not Dez, and the only info we DO KNOW is that he has said he will only sign with a Superbowl contender

Hey man, there’s no need to get worked up. It’s just like, my opinion man....

[PolishPrince]

2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Hey man, there’s no need to get worked up. It’s just like, my opinion man....

I'm groovy baby. If I am came off worked up, it was not my intent.

[Steptide]

Why do people want Dez so bad? If he was that good don't you think a team like the Patriots would've snatched him right up? Cleveland didn't even want him. He's not gonna be a difference maker for this team 

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There were lots of things that they could have done instead of trading for Mathews, Kaelin Clay & Benjamin. They took guys in the 6th and 7th and some undrafted FAs. They signed a journeymen receivers in Streater, Holmes & Kerley and traded up in round 2 for Zay Jones. Literally every WR decision that they have made has been wrong. The people most responsible for this are McDermott and Beane. 

There is a process (which we aren’t privy to) and once the defense, QB and Oline/TE’s (Croom) are shored up, it will be refreshing to see a stud WR and RB drafted next year. In the interim, we can relax and enjoy the games. Casting blame on coach and GM for a 3-4 year process seems pre-mature after three games. Let’s see what these younger guys can do. 

[DC Tom]

If he's not pleased with their performance in practice, he should see a game...

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

 Casting blame on coach and GM for a 3-4 year process seems pre-mature after three games. 

 

I, for one, would like to welcome you to the community of Buffalo Bills fan.  After a couple of days here, you'll under stand that the above is...well, it's how we roll.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

we

 

Who's this we? You and your pet gerbil?

 

[RocCityRoller]

Markus Wheaton is out there. Some speed, ok hands. Would rather have him tracking deep passes than Foster.

 

So is Kerley, and his hands were never a problem.

[Green Lightning]

I just wish the hell they would ever sign Robert Woods.

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Who's this we? You and your pet gerbil?

 

 

Oh, give me a !@#$ing break.  You were in the "We should draft a QB with every pick until we find one!" crowd.  That's almost as dumb as "winning hurts the franchise."

[BUFFALOKIE]

17 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I think you're missing drops vs defended passes.  Like a receiver had his man beat and just flat out dropped it vs getting a ball knocked out or deflected.

 

At least that's my guess because you're right.  The math doesn't add up if you're just taking about completion percentage.

That's what I'm saying. The claim is "dropped passes". That excludes defended passes and bad throws. Even if you include those, the stats shown above seem suspicious.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

You were in the "We should draft a QB with every pick until we find one!" crowd. 

 

Quote the post.

 

Go ahead.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

28 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

There is a process (which we aren’t privy to) and once the defense, QB and Oline/TE’s (Croom) are shored up, it will be refreshing to see a stud WR and RB drafted next year. In the interim, we can relax and enjoy the games. Casting blame on coach and GM for a 3-4 year process seems pre-mature after three games. Let’s see what these younger guys can do. 

I’m just not excusing them. As an example they could have picked Ju-Ju instead of Zay. That would have been a good decision. The free agent receivers that they paid in 2017 were Andre Holmes, Anquan Boldin, Philly Brown, Rod Streater, Jeremy Butler and Brandon Tate. They get the blame for that. Not one of those guys can play. They also trade for Mathews and Benjamin while trading up for Zay. That was the group that they decided was good enough after trading Watkins and letting Woods and Goodwin walk. They don’t get a pass for that or get to hide behind “the process.” That can’t be judged as anything but a massive failure. 

 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Ned Kelly]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I'm probably reaching a bit with such little footage but the body language of the players doesn't look great. 

Doesn't seem to be any intensity/urgency amongst the receiver's. 

Probably reading to much in to it maybe it's right before end of practice idk but I would expect a McD team to practice with high intensity from start to finish.

 

*Sorry quoted 26CB thinking it would include the video he posted for us on first page ?

Edited September 27, 2018 by Ned Kelly
I'm dumb

[Big C]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There were lots of things that they could have done instead of trading for Mathews, Kaelin Clay & Benjamin. They took guys in the 6th and 7th and some undrafted FAs. They signed journeymen receivers in Streater, Holmes & Kerley and traded up in round 2 for Zay Jones. Literally every WR decision that they have made has been wrong. The people most responsible for this are McDermott and Beane. 

 

I’m not excusing McCloud but I’m not praising McDermott for it either. This mess is on him.

 

16 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

There is a process (which we aren’t privy to) and once the defense, QB and Oline/TE’s (Croom) are shored up, it will be refreshing to see a stud WR and RB drafted next year. In the interim, we can relax and enjoy the games. Casting blame on coach and GM for a 3-4 year process seems pre-mature after three games. Let’s see what these younger guys can do. 

 

Fergy, I think you are right about the overall "process" here and why we couldn't keep Woods/Goodwin and why we traded Sammy, etc. However, the issue is still that we replaced them with absolutely garbage. We traded a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. For a staff that has placed a huge emphasis on acquiring picks, how could they justify the 3rd for KB. I mean, he could really turn it around this season I suppose, but to this point it has been a total mistake. Zay over Juju, cutting Kerley - the only reliable vet out there... Plenty of decisions you can question. 

 

It's like, do you trust McDermott and Beane to get the right guys if they do prioritize and spend big on skill positions in the draft and offseason? I'm not so sure just yet. I do think they are doing a lot of things right, but this is the one area where I have no idea what they're thinking.

[JPP]

hmmm.....lets see.....crappy WR's.....dropped balls......wow big surprise here......should of thought about that before they pooled everything into the D in the offseason.......maybe next time they will use a little balance when building up this team.... 
 

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

That's what I'm saying. The claim is "dropped passes". That excludes defended passes and bad throws. Even if you include those, the stats shown above seem suspicious.

I don't think so honestly.  There were 3 drops in Sunday of Allen's 22 passes.  Assuming there were only 3.  That's what I remember.

 

That's 13.6%. 

 

I think that drop stat is right.

 

 

[BringBackFergy]

10 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

 

Fergy, I think you are right about the overall "process" here and why we couldn't keep Woods/Goodwin and why we traded Sammy, etc. However, the issue is still that we replaced them with absolutely garbage. We traded a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin. For a staff that has placed a huge emphasis on acquiring picks, how could they justify the 3rd for KB. I mean, he could really turn it around this season I suppose, but to this point it has been a total mistake. Zay over Juju, cutting Kerley - the only reliable vet out there... Plenty of decisions you can question. 

 

It's like, do you trust McDermott and Beane to get the right guys if they do prioritize and spend big on skill positions in the draft and offseason? I'm not so sure just yet. I do think they are doing a lot of things right, but this is the one area where I have no idea what they're thinking.

I’m with ya. Do I think they could have perfected the roster with the salary cap as it stood? Sure. But it’s a sum certain that depends not only on price tag, but personalities. I’ll take this team as presently constituted over the alternative (egos like Dareus, Incognito and Watkins). I’m willing to wait and I’m thrilled with the progress from Week 1 to Week 3. 

[Ned Kelly]

https://youtu.be/bDLRzVDIU1U

 

Can't be that hard to catch a ball can it ?

[gonzo1105]

59 minutes ago, pimp on da' net said:

I love this by McD. It shows that details are important...

 

Why didn't Dabol, show the same concern? I hope the OC got a wake up as well.

 

I laughed cause the video was a typical assistant coach. The clip shows Daboll standing in the back going through the script and then you see Allen throw and Ray Ray trying to catch it behind his back. 

 

Then you get the McDermott tirade to the WRs and all of a sudden you see Daboll on the move looking like he’s coaching up the WRs while the HC is looking 

[Wily Dog]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m just not excusing them. As an example they could have pick Ju-Ju instead of Zay. That would have been a good decision. The free agent receivers that the paid in 2017 are Andre Holmes, Anquan Boldin, Philly Brown, Rod Streater, Jeremy Butler and Brandon Tate. They get the blame for that. Not one of those guys can play. They also trade for Mathews and Benjamin while trading up for Zay. That was the group that they decided was good enough after trading Watkins and letting Woods and Goodwin walk. They don’t get a pass for that or get to hide behind “the process.” That can’t be judged as anything but a massive failure. 

 

 

They couda, woulda , shoulda, hindsight is 2020 as far as Ju-Ju is concerned and you still don't know if Zay may be better in the long run . As far as Watkins is concerned , he wasn't going to sign with the Bills  and neither was Woods. Goodwin we never got a chance to see his potential as he was continually injured. They also were under the duress of having a QB who couldn't or wouldn't throw to them . This is only the second year of the McBeane regime so I think there should be some sense of  timeliness  before we go running amok.

 

[Jpsredemption]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There were lots of things that they could have done instead of trading for Mathews, Kaelin Clay & Benjamin. They took guys in the 6th and 7th and some undrafted FAs. They signed journeymen receivers in Streater, Holmes & Kerley and traded up in round 2 for Zay Jones. Literally every WR decision that they have made has been wrong. The people most responsible for this are McDermott and Beane. 

 

I’m not excusing McCloud but I’m not praising McDermott for it either. This mess is on him.

Quoted for truth. 

[ctk232]

3 hours ago, tbarg12 said:

Ray Ray out there trying to be fancy and dropped the ball just like it was a game. McDermott has been needing to lay into the recievers.

Completely agree, I'm just glad to see this from McDermott regardless, much less the receivers. Practice how you play, otherwise why show up. That's how you see teams show up "unprepared" on Sundays.

 

That being said, when healthy, Ray Ray is performing better in games than some of our top receivers...

Edited September 27, 2018 by ctk232

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

McD should be planting his foot up the receivers coach arse and make those receivers stay overtime on the jugs

Exactly what was the OC and WR coach doing.. They should have been on the face of those WRs

[stevewin]

Didn't exactly view it as "rip into" - and certainly not directed at Allen.  Was more 'strong encouragement' as I saw it

Edited September 27, 2018 by stevewin