CDogg20 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Through two weeks he’s been ranked as PFFs #1 pass blocker. Personally I think he’s trash and hasn’t passed the eye test at all but I know many people here hold PFF in high regard https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/18/buffalo-bills-vlad-ducasse-john-miller-brian-daboll-pff/amp/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Decausse for some reason grades like this......if they make a change it will be at Miller's spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: Through two weeks he’s been ranked as PFFs #1 pass blocker. Personally I think he’s trash and hasn’t passed the eye test at all but I know many people here hold PFF in high regard https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/18/buffalo-bills-vlad-ducasse-john-miller-brian-daboll-pff/amp/ Wow...today's news is getting weirder and weirder... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 In other news... TBD has the most knowledgeable posters on the planet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) He actually did fine last year. He had some rough showings in preseason and early on, but ultimately did ok. He has his fair share of detractors, though. The article states that Ducasse and Miller combined have only surrendered one pressure through two games, although Miller has taken a bunch of penalties. Groy seems to be the big problem. Edited September 18, 2018 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Decausse for some reason grades like this......if they make a change it will be at Miller's spot ......ironically they both graded high......must be Castillo's expert tutelage............ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: Wow...today's news is getting weirder and weirder... Preston = Miss Cleo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All I Need is Hope Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 So, Groy is the problem? They can't all grade well and give up a s&%t ton of sacks, have rushers get into the backfield unblocked and have a 3.8 YPC avg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, All I Need is Hope said: So, Groy is the problem? They can't all grade well and give up a s&%t ton of sacks, have rushers get into the backfield unblocked and have a 3.8 YPC avg. It would be nice to see break down to the cause of all the sacks. Each one happened for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, All I Need is Hope said: So, Groy is the problem? They can't all grade well and give up a s&%t ton of sacks, have rushers get into the backfield unblocked and have a 3.8 YPC avg. I totally agree, I don’t understand how they can rank him so high when all I see is dirt play all over the line. They get pushed back consistently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 i've had the weirdest day at work. the bill's new has been amazingly weird. i have a dinner tonight...i wonder if i should even go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Another feather in the hat of the "PFF is trash" crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Here's Daboll referencing Allen and Peterman holding the ball too long and struggling to diagnose the rush pre-snap. “More than half of those sacks aren’t the offensive line,” Daboll said, referencing to quarterbacks Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman holding onto the ball too long during the first two weeks of the season. “We can do a good job with setting the table, getting things set to where we need to get them set to. Those guys have protected inside out for the most part in pass protection. There have been some free runners that you guys have seen. It’s not all on the line, no question about it.” I'm a broken record at this point, but even the OC is publicly acknowledging it. Let's stop blaming the o-line for everything. Edited September 18, 2018 by VW82 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 So he never gets pressures and sacks attributed against him even though he continually gets beat and knocked back because his linemates are so bad their opponents get to our qbs first? Is this what I am supposed to glean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: Through two weeks he’s been ranked as PFFs #1 pass blocker. Personally I think he’s trash and hasn’t passed the eye test at all but I know many people here hold PFF in high regard https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/18/buffalo-bills-vlad-ducasse-john-miller-brian-daboll-pff/amp/ Thanks for posting, agree he doesn't pass the eye test, but interesting that's how the stats read. Though don't be fooled by grades - also says nothing for run blocking, but that's another story. This is not an NFL caliber line, and they are not playing like an NFL caliber line. Ducasse will not be a part of the future line, nor will Miller or Groy the way things are going. So they can grade however they would like right now, it's still not going to be the line of next year. Just hope that Castillo is also shown the door. To be honest, I think our OL play is more an issue in the run game, and passing game is occasionally, if not frequently, exacerbated by WRs not getting open plus Allen learning his reads and progressions while holding onto the ball. Edited September 18, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, teef said: i've had the weirdest day at work. the bill's new has been amazingly weird. i have a dinner tonight...i wonder if i should even go. Your user name backwards is feet. Another weird occourence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 My eyes see it much differently. But I guess that's why I'm not an NFL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: So he never gets pressures and sacks attributed against him even though he continually gets beat and knocked back because his linemates are so bad their opponents get to our qbs first? Is this what I am supposed to glean? The best of the worst gets a trophy! YAY! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Your user name backwards is feet. Another weird occourence. oh my god...i'm going home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Groy has definitely been an issue at center. Wouldn't mind seeing if Bodine is any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Augie said: The best of the worst gets a trophy! YAY! Tallest midgets of the world rejoice and unite! Edited September 18, 2018 by Kelly the Dog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, ctk232 said: Thanks for posting, agree he doesn't pass the eye test, but interesting that's how the stats read. Though don't be fooled by grades - also says nothing for run blocking, but that's another story. This is not an NFL caliber line, and they are not playing like an NFL caliber line. Ducasse will not be a part of the future line, nor will Miller or Groy the way things are going. So they can grade however they would like right now, it's still not going to be the line of next year. Just hope that Castillo is also shown the door. To be honest, I think our OL play is more an issue in the run game, and passing game is occasionally, if not frequently, exacerbated by WRs not getting open plus Allen learning his reads and progressions while holding onto the ball. Agreed the run game has been a joke, gone downhill drastically over the last few years. It was once our calling card. Castillo has hurt this team but he’s not going anywhere anytime soon unfortunately. Hopefully we get some good olinemen in the draft and free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Honestly in week 2 the problems were communication. There was a free rusher on one. On another Logan thomas absolutely whiffed. I think at least 2 of the other 3 were on allen holding the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, artmalibu said: It would be nice to see break down to the cause of all the sacks. Each one happened for a reason. Daboll said that most were from Allen holding on to the ball too long. He had well over 3 seconds to throw on average 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, teef said: i've had the weirdest day at work. the bill's new has been amazingly weird. i have a dinner tonight...i wonder if i should even go. ....tonight's special is "Weird Over Pasta"....go for it............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Daboll said that most were from Allen holding on to the ball too long. He had well over 3 seconds to throw on average I thought they looked ok. Miller really struggles if they run a stunt or something in front of him. A few times Allen was running for his life and Miller never engaged a defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: Through two weeks he’s been ranked as PFFs #1 pass blocker. Personally I think he’s trash and hasn’t passed the eye test at all but I know many people here hold PFF in high regard https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/18/buffalo-bills-vlad-ducasse-john-miller-brian-daboll-pff/amp/ Ducasse and Teflon CLEARLY paying off PFF this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All I Need is Hope Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Daboll's assessment seems to make sense from the standpoint that Allen hasn't really thrown with any anticipation yet. He just looks around and slings it with that ridiculous arm. I'm sure that he'll get more comfortable throwing to a spot; with coaching, experience and NFL caliber receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Daboll said that most were from Allen holding on to the ball too long. He had well over 3 seconds to throw on average Didn't he say most in the two games, which includes the NP sacks, were not on the linemen? Or did he also specifically say most of the sacks against Allen in this game were on him? Just curious, I didn't see the PC, just read an excerpt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, All I Need is Hope said: Daboll's assessment seems to make sense from the standpoint that Allen hasn't really thrown with any anticipation yet. He just looks around and slings it with that ridiculous arm. I'm sure that he'll get more comfortable throwing to a spot; with coaching, experience and NFL caliber receivers. ...that will take time and development...time is a "TBD adversary"......who's to argue with them??........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, MJS said: He actually did fine last year. He had some rough showings in preseason and early on, but ultimately did ok. He has his fair share of detractors, though. The article states that Ducasse and Miller combined have only surrendered one pressure through two games, although Miller has taken a bunch of penalties. Groy seems to be the big problem. Joe B at WKBW said Miller stood out this week in the All 22 as being very good...said he was surprised because it didnt appear that way when he watched live, but said Miller controlled his man almost all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 If Miller and Vlad look good its only because our QB is getting sacked immediately after the snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Your user name backwards is feet. Another weird occourence. Somewhere in America Rex Ryan just got hard for no apparent reason. Probably weird for him 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Jordan Mills is still the most underrated Bills' linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, CDogg20 said: Through two weeks he’s been ranked as PFFs #1 pass blocker. Personally I think he’s trash and hasn’t passed the eye test at all but I know many people here hold PFF in high regard https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/18/buffalo-bills-vlad-ducasse-john-miller-brian-daboll-pff/amp/ What "eye test?" You went back and broke down the game film like PFF and Joe Buscaglia, who also watches every play and has graded him highly last year and this year? Why do people just randomly pick Ducasse as the guy they don't like? It's truly bizarre. I think we all know what a good QB, RB, WR, etc. looks like but this confirms my longstanding opinion that none of you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to offensive linemen. Edited September 18, 2018 by metzelaars_lives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I want us to use our first 2 picks on a LT (Move Dawkins to RT.) and a C. Let Teller start and everyone else fight for the other G spot and maybe add a FA G to the mix. I hope they trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Things are so weird that I see a win this weekend. Or I’m really losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Joe B at WKBW said Miller stood out this week in the All 22 as being very good...said he was surprised because it didnt appear that way when he watched live, but said Miller controlled his man almost all game. Guess Joe missed this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Jordan Mills is still the most underrated Bills' linemen. Yes, like Peterman is the most underrated Bills QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: What "eye test?" You went back and broke down the game film like PFF and Joe Buscaglia, who also watches every play and has graded him highly last year and this year? Why do people just randomly pick Ducasse as the guy they don't like? It's truly bizarre. I think we all know what a good QB, RB, WR, etc. look like but it confirms my longstanding opinion that none of you have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to offensive linemen. Yes I randomly picked Ducasse. I just needed to rip into somebody to feel good about myself today much like youself. Go take a xanax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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