Week 2 Game Day thread Bills vs. Chargers Second Half

[Buffalo03]

18 minutes ago, Phils n Bills said:

People here preach bumps in the road and patience when it comes to a rookie quarterback, however when we throw his first bad throw or a pick, people are ready to throw  him on the heap pile. Seriously it’s his first start. Give the kid a break. 

I called this earlier this week. Saying that people would be saying that he isn't the answer already. I didn't expect all the Mahomes comparisons though

[Solomon Grundy]

Josh played better than Tuhrod today

[Iron Maiden]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Solid first start. Now he needs to improve upon it next week

Problem is we're playing the best D in the NFL next week.....at their place...can't expect much progress vs the Vikings D....

[NewEraBills]

3 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Mahomes is in a race car, Darnold is in a Ferrari, Allen is in a Chevy Aveo.  Race the three, then say Allen is a bad racer and a terrible pick to drive.  Got it.

 

You cannot judge the three QBs in a vacuum.  You need to look at the team around them.

 

So, the rookie QB in his first start with a seive for an o-line and receivers that lathered their gloves with butter *didn't* throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs?  Well, guy's obviously a bust.  Just look at how well the QBs who have a real team around them played. >.<

2

??  Looks like a Go-cart or Big Wheel to me LOL

[NoHuddleKelly12]

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[Fred Clause]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

I don't like JA's flat feet in the pocket

Nobody cares what you think...

[Boatdrinks]

Someone should get fired over this. Seriously, the whole thing is rotten from the head down...

[Bubba Gump]

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Solid first start. Now he needs to improve upon it next week

 

Won't be easy. Facing a much better defense on the road. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, HappyDays said:

Well alright. Get the first TD out of the way. This is a game he can build on.

 

Honestly this game isn't as big of a negative as it seemed like it was going to be in the first half. I think the second half is big for this team psyche. Allen's picks cost them the chance to do anything even remotely competitive (esp that first INT where had they gotten it and the PAT they would have only been down 8 with a ton of time left) but Allen got the garbage time TD which should only help grow his confidence and his teammates confidence. 

 

The defense played well in the second half which should build their confidence and allow the coach to try and reproduce that style of play more frequently. The only score they allowed was off a pick that put the opposing offense deep into their territory. 

 

The offense didn't look hot but they got some sense of momentum in the second half scoring early in the half to bring the game to some sort of sense of competitiveness and driving deep into the Chargers territory when it was a 2 score game. 

 

This is still going to be a bad season but at least there look to be some positives emerging from it. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Might as well get this rookie season out of the way for Allen. It’s going to take some getting used to and it sucks knowing the year is a throwaway. I hope Fraiser gets fired tomorrow but I fully expect no change and our defense to get embarrassed again next week. It’s hard to take knowing the Bills are going to just lose every single week but that’s just reality.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, Fred Clause said:

Nobody cares what you think...

Fair enough. Fortunately I don't care what you think either Internet tough guy.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

No I agree but at least it happened is what I'm saying.  Hopefully we can look like an NFL defense for 4 qtrs next week.

 

 

...here's where I'm stumblin' my friend....our HC "Process Boy" has his roots on the defensive side of the ball and assuredly leans that way...and we have Leslie Frazier with 4 years as a player, 10 years collegiate coaching experience and 18 years NFL coaching experience in various roles or a total of 32 years in football circles.....if ANYTHING, the defense SHOULD be shining brighter than the offense....and it cannot be solely personnel......if we have 25+ empty suits pulling down $75+ mil, we have MUCH bigger problems either with schemes NOT fitting existing personnel or some weak spots in personnel but not all IMO....

Edited September 16, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[ganesh]

2 minutes ago, Nitro said:

That is a glaring area for him.  One step at a time.

Josh himself stated in the preseason that he had difficulty with the speed of NFL.  Once he can slow down his game, he will be able to beat that blitz.  There was good promise from him in his first start.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Just now, Iron Maiden said:

Problem is we're playing the best D in the NFL next week.....at their place...can't expect much progress vs the Vikings D....

Stats wise you can't

 

However lets see if he learns to throw a couple balls away instead of a sack. Lets see if he takes a sack instead of that pick while ingram was all over him.

 

There are ways to see improvement other than the actual performance and I'm excited to see it

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Did Mills solidify his status as a problem area?

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

This is the biggest positive I have with him

 

Think back to losman and Manuel. Allen is head and shoulders above them after 1 start. Lets see if Allen learns from his mistakea

Please refrain from mentioning those two names.  Losing is bad enough.

[VW82]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

 he was pretty accurate most of the game and he did say at the end that Allen has a promising future, he's going to make mistakes but will improve each week.

 

One thing I already like about Allen is his ability to bounce back. He makes two brutal throws in the first half on that Murphy crossing route and then over throwing Jones I believe over the top. Then we get the unsportsmanlike and he makes a great throw on the corner comeback route to Clay. Then in the second half he throws that back breaking pick to seal the game, but still comes back for a nice garbage time TD drive. Lots of young QBs (*cough* Peterman) would get down and not be able to bounce back quickly from that stuff. 

Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82

[ganesh]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...here's where I'm stumblin' my friend....our HC "Process Boy" has his roots on the defensive side of the ball and assuredly leans that way...and we have Leslie Frazier with 4 years as a olayer, 10 years collegiate coaching experience and 18 years NFL coaching experience in various roles or a total of 32 years in football circles.....if ANYTHING, the defense SHOULD be shining brighter than the offense....and it cannot be solely personnel......if we have 25+ empty suits pulling down $75+ mil, we have MUCH bigger problems either with schemes NOT fitting existing personnel or some weak spots in personnel but not all IMO....

I think the defense came alive in the 2nd half...They gave 3 points and it was not as if Rivers was NOT trying!  

[billsfan89]

Just now, ganesh said:

Josh himself stated in the preseason that he had difficulty with the speed of NFL.  Once he can slow down his game, he will be able to beat that blitz.  There was good promise from him in his first start.

 

The offense seemed to get going in the second half, even factoring out the garbage time the team just played a lot better in the second half. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Just now, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Did Mills solidify his status as a problem area?

Please refrain from mentioning those two names.  Losing is bad enough.

Fair enough. How do i delete my post lol

[Nelius]

Does Taiwan Jones still have all of his face? Hope he's okay

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

I think the defense came alive in the 2nd half...They gave 3 points and it was not as if Rivers was NOT trying!  

 

Exactly. Had they shown up in the first half, this would have been a different game.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

Josh himself stated in the preseason that he had difficulty with the speed of NFL.  Once he can slow down his game, he will be able to beat that blitz.  There was good promise from him in his first start.

 

 

...hell, he's hardly alone....Steve Young ( yup, THAT guy) said, "more collegians fail versus succeed at the NFL level due to the speed and complexity of the game".....

[Formerly Allan in MD]

It may have been mentioned earlier, but all week we've been hearing about how necessary it is to get McCoy the ball in space.  It still is.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

I think the defense came alive in the 2nd half...They gave 3 points and it was not as if Rivers was NOT trying!  

 

...but if you have a learning offense with a rook as in Josh, no way you can afford that first half spot.....just sayin'..............

[Peter]

Next week will be very interesting . . . .

 

It is going to be a very tough game against a good team on the road.  

[Nelius]

Next week is going to be a slaughter. This Vikings team at home? Hope Allen survives.

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Nitro said:

Expansion team level WRs on the team.

 

Those would be an improvement:

 

I'd take Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney of the 2002 texans over this mess.

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Stats wise you can't

 

However lets see if he learns to throw a couple balls away instead of a sack. Lets see if he takes a sack instead of that pick while ingram was all over him.

 

There are ways to see improvement other than the actual performance and I'm excited to see it

 

Allen played like a rookie, lots to work on but you see the pockets of potential that he has and a lot of his mistakes seem to stem from inexperience more so than tragic flaws in his game. 

 

Decision making will only improve as he plays more, he will throw a lot of picks and take a lot of sacks (both a product of his inexperience and his O-line) but he will also improve as the season goes as experience will be his best teacher. 

 

I still wish the team had a decent vet QB to throw out there instead of him (experience is a great teacher but I worry his footwork will be negatively impacted by playing behind such a bad O-line and I think rookies are best suited to sit a year at least) but throwing Allen to get experience is not a bad option at this point. 

Edited September 16, 2018 by billsfan89

[Freddie's Dead]

6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

200+ passing yards in his first start. 

Tuhrod only threw for more than 245 only three times last year, never topping 300.  Josh Allen will have a 300 yard game before the year is out.  

 

BTW, who goes as the starting QB for the Bills for 3 years and allows his name to be mispronounced the whole time?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...but if you have a learning offense with a rook as in Josh, no way you can afford that first half spot.....just sayin'..............

 

Yes, well that's an improvement over last week where they NEVER showed up.

 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Tuhrod only threw for more than 245 only three times last year, never topping 300.  Josh Allen will have a 300 yard game before the year is out.  

 

BTW, who goes as the starting QB for the Bills for 3 years and allows his name to be mispronounced the whole time?

 

Tyrod also won a lot games and added rushing yards and didn't make a lot of turnovers. You can lawyer it in either direction and fit the stats to your arguments. Tyrod is gone for better or worse, Allen is and should be the future. 

[North Buffalo]

So D showed up in 2nd half... KB needs to be benched, catch at end looked like didnt even want because of contact... just stuck to his stickum hands. Bills middle of field D needs work and non of the wide recievers want to go over middle.

[Freddie's Dead]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Tyrod also won a lot games and added rushing yards and didn't make a lot of turnovers. You can lawyer it in either direction and fit the stats to your arguments. Tyrod is gone for better or worse, Allen is and should be the future. 

 

I'm lawyering in Allen's direction.  

[CircleTheWagons99]

Browns lost.

[GrizzReaper]

Well... Better than last week. I can see Allen just needs some more experience seeing where pressures coming especially. I'm encouraged by what I saw I think he's going to get a lot better as he gains more experience analyzing defenses pre snap. 

 

I think McDermott took over the play calling in that 2nd half so it'll be interesting to see if there's serious heat on Frazier. The defense was better in the 2nd half.

 

Tremaine Edmunds was being picked on. He'll get better as he builds up his experience. Rivers really abused the rookie. As he sees more and more that misdirection stuff like that, he won't fall for it at some point and that'll be nice when the lights finally turn on there.

 

Special teams whewwww that punt that turned into a touchback was ugly... Idk why they didn't dead that ball asap it was inside the 5... Too greedy cost a nice field position switch.

 

The o line looked better... Still nothing stellar but better than last week. I think Allen also needs more experience setting up his protection hopefully the line gets better as they play more games together. That's really important in the trenches that chemistry and that's going to take time and live games. 

 

I wasn't expecting a win here and I wasn't even really expecting this game to be close. I just wanted to see some improvement and I did to an extent. McDermott still had a long ways to go.

[Billy Zabka]

Edmunds stinks at Middle Linebacker so far.  I expected growing pains and know it's early, but he is downright brutal right now.

[marco14150]

2 minutes ago, GrizzReaper said:

Well... Better than last week. I can see Allen just needs some more experience seeing where pressures coming especially. I'm encouraged by what I saw I think he's going to get a lot better as he gains more experience analyzing defenses pre snap. 

 

I think McDermott took over the play calling in that 2nd half so it'll be interesting to see if there's serious heat on Frazier. The defense was better in the 2nd half.

 

Tremaine Edmunds was being picked on. He'll get better as he builds up his experience. Rivers really abused the rookie. As he sees more and more that misdirection stuff like that, he won't fall for it at some point and that'll be nice when the lights finally turn on there.

 

Special teams whewwww that punt that turned into a touchback was ugly... Idk why they didn't dead that ball asap it was inside the 5... Too greedy cost a nice field position switch.

 

The o line looked better... Still nothing stellar but better than last week. I think Allen also needs more experience setting up his protection hopefully the line gets better as they play more games together. That's really important in the trenches that chemistry and that's going to take time and live games. 

 

I wasn't expecting a win here and I wasn't even really expecting this game to be close. I just wanted to see some improvement and I did to an extent. McDermott still had a long ways to go.

Thats an accurate assessment each week

[RichardLee]

1 minute ago, GrizzReaper said:

Well... Better than last week. I can see Allen just needs some more experience seeing where pressures coming especially. I'm encouraged by what I saw I think he's going to get a lot better as he gains more experience analyzing defenses pre snap. 

 

I think McDermott took over the play calling in that 2nd half so it'll be interesting to see if there's serious heat on Frazier. The defense was better in the 2nd half.

 

Tremaine Edmunds was being picked on. He'll get better as he builds up his experience. Rivers really abused the rookie. As he sees more and more that misdirection stuff like that, he won't fall for it at some point and that'll be nice when the lights finally turn on there.

 

Special teams whewwww that punt that turned into a touchback was ugly... Idk why they didn't dead that ball asap it was inside the 5... Too greedy cost a nice field position switch.

 

The o line looked better... Still nothing stellar but better than last week. I think Allen also needs more experience setting up his protection hopefully the line gets better as they play more games together. That's really important in the trenches that chemistry and that's going to take time and live games. 

 

I wasn't expecting a win here and I wasn't even really expecting this game to be close. I just wanted to see some improvement and I did to an extent. McDermott still had a long ways to go.

 

I kinda feel the same way.  Certainly happy by what I see in Allen.  But, goodness, this team has A LOT to work on...in EVERY facets of the game.  Long season ahead

indeed!

[billsfan89]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I'm lawyering in Allen's direction.  

 

I know, I am just playing devils advocate with Tyrod (pointing out that you can skew and frame things in whichever way you want to.) I thought the team should have kept him for one more year but the return on him was pretty good so I understood the move. I was more so mad they traded AJ and fell for NP again. But I thought Tyrod was the perfect competent QB to have for one more year (he is gone at this point no use in dragging it up what's done is done

I just think that Allen shouldn't be compared to Tyrod because they are completely different QB's and Tyrod's situation in Buffalo was different than Allen's now. The stats don't tell the whole story on either player and I think the comparisons should stop. 

[Buffalo Boy]

38 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

I do not understand what you are saying...

If we took Mahomes at 15 two years ago, we aren’t trading any other pick last year to move up. This would have allowed more picks to bolster the O line and Receivers.

Hind sight , yes but still makes sense to me.