AllenWillBust Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, teef said: it seems like you take internet forums a bit too seriously. OMG, you have it backwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, teef said: i don't take it seriously at all. i come on here to talk about the bills and kid around. you came up with a specific name and avatar so people would notice you. it seems like you take internet forums a bit too seriously. again, i don't need a computer to get attention. you seem like you need to be "creative" for anyone to actually take notice of you. it's sad. it's not. he's trying to deflect so he doesn't have to face how sad his existence is. if you realized that you weren't interesting, you might try the same thing as allenwillbust. If you recognize he's doing it for attention then why do you keep giving it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said: OMG, you have it backwards... says the guy who is desperate for attention. Just now, Warcodered said: If you recognize he's doing it for attention then why do you keep giving it to him. he needs it and i have a weak schedule today. it kinda worked out perfectly for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenWillBust Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: says the guy who is desperate for attention. Your conclusion is not my motivation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: No. Gugny. is that pronounced goon-yay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: is that pronounced goon-yay? I think it's pronounced "win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: is that pronounced goon-yay? Nyet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: Nyet. It's pronounced "nyet?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Based on what. A QB who's only half of football tossed 5 INTS? Well, certainly not one half of football last year, no. That is seemingly the basis for virtually all the doom and gloom and snark from the national media folks. If your question is serious, here is my view. 1. Peterman's performance in camp and preseason indicates significant growth in his understanding and awareness. Do I think he is a "savior"? Of course not. I think he is adequate to hold down the fort until Allen is ready. He will throw more interceptions than Taylor in all likelihood, but he will also throw more completions and probably more touchdowns. When people discuss Taylor's lack of turnovers, they never mention his incredible rate of 3 and outs. I think Peterman will be better, on balance, than Taylor. He will at least be willing to throw the ball. 2. Dennison is gone and I believe we will have a much more diverse and adaptable scheme this year, which will help to grind out first downs and avoid continual 3 and out drives. The scheme will help Peterman to manage the offense. 3. The common belief is we have the "worst group of WRs in the game". I call BS on that. In reality, a healthy Benjamin, Jones, and Kerley are actually better that what they started with last year. Is that great, no its not. They have weapons at tight end and in the backfield to compliment and this seems adequate to me, and better than we were last year at this time. 4. The OL is problematic certainly. Ugly performance in preseason. However, we know from past experience that Groy can play, so can Dawkins, and Mills is serviceable. Ducasse is a weak point, but his play improved over the course of last year and he is playing a new position. Miller need to perform, Ducasse needs to get it sooner than later, and the line needs to gell. I expect them to struggle early in protection but get better as the year progresses. Losing Richie hurts. 5. I have also heard people say the Bills have the worst DL in the NFL. Again, I call BS. We have not seen the entire starting unit together this preseason, so questions remain, but this is improved from last year not worse. Is it good enough when scheming for opponents, we will see. 6. Edmunds is not the player yet he will be by mid year or year end, but he has shown improvement with game action. Major upgrade over Preston Brown. Milano's struggles in the preseason have been disconcerting but he was very good last year and seemed to respond well to McD taking him off the starting unit for a couple of weeks. Depth here could be better but is at least as good as last year and I believe a little better. 7. CB 2 along with nickel CB are concerns. One area (in addition to OL) that I think they may have taken a step back. All in all, I expect a bit of a rough start. If they can go 2 and 2 or even 1 and 3 to start while some of this comes together a bit, I think they are good enough for 7 to 9 wins. A 2 and 5 start is a distinct possibility. 6 wins is the absolute floor in my mind and 10 the absolute best (if they get off to a better start than expected) , but more likely somewhere in the middle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did you go to school on Bangkok? 30 minutes ago, Gugny said: No. Gugny. Gugny is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Trzcianne, within Mońki County, Podlaskie Voivodeship, in north-eastern Poland. but I thought you were 100% American 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 If we avoid major injuries the Bills will win 9-10 games this year. Gotta have faith and Billieve! Peterman will prove half the haters wrong and our O-line will magically look good with him under center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: If we avoid major injuries the Bills will win 9-10 games this year. Gotta have faith and Billieve! Peterman will prove half the haters wrong and our O-line will magically look good with him under center. hater: definition, someone who is hoping that the 5-INT man doesn't fall on his face again and ruin the 2018 season before half-time of Week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Who we picking at #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DtownB2 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I'm (not) sorry but as a Bills fan I love this. Always the under dog and always looked over. "Analysts" continually pick against the Bills and rightfully so with this roster. There's nothing greater than proving the national media wrong and showing that even with all the stats these analysts can't figure out the Bills. Before we get all pessimistic let's wait and see a full actual game that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: If we avoid major injuries the Bills will win 9-10 games this year. Gotta have faith and Billieve! Peterman will prove half the haters wrong and our O-line will magically look good with him under center. I'm on board. LET'S GO BABY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) Besides McCoy name 1 premier player on the Bills. White might be close but after that it is really a team of nobody's. It's time that some of these players to step up to the big boys table. Edited September 4, 2018 by Tatonka68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 ESPN=the worst major sports network. A bunch of morons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 hours ago, thurst44 said: True. Lazy journalisming annoys me though, and the fact that it happens almost every year and yet they keep on doing it is tiresome. They're ESPN for crying out loud -- they're supposed to be the gold standard (key word: supposed). It's not "lazy journalism." All these people can do is analyze past metrics and make speculations about the future, which is very hard to do. Further, there is always a lot of ups and downs in the league from 1 year to the next. After 3 or 4 weeks, we'll know who the good teams are, who the bad teams are, who's greatly improved, who's a lot worse, etc. And then it will be much easier to make rankings for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ESPN=the worst major sports network. A bunch of morons. Extremely Stupid Peoples Network what a sign -- feel free 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 every pro sports team would enjoy being deemed a season to avoid major injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ESPN=the worst major sports network. A bunch of morons. Of course, unless they talk good about the Bills and then we all say how smart that one guy is at ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 They know nothing and always pick us to be bad. They have done it for like 18 straight years and never get it right. Wait, we made the playoffs only once during that time? Ummmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 That is fine....just stand by your rankings when the bills do better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: That is fine....just stand by your rankings when the bills do better when the Bills break into the top 20 we can celebrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) The defense doesn't look great, but I don't know about last in the league Edited September 5, 2018 by Domdab99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Of course, unless they talk good about the Bills and then we all say how smart that one guy is at ESPN. that guy would be fired immediately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 i've never seen us ranked this low. are we all wearing rose-tinted glasses and missing how bad this team really is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: It's not "lazy journalism." All these people can do is analyze past metrics and make speculations about the future, which is very hard to do. Further, there is always a lot of ups and downs in the league from 1 year to the next. After 3 or 4 weeks, we'll know who the good teams are, who the bad teams are, who's greatly improved, who's a lot worse, etc. And then it will be much easier to make rankings for 2018. This was an ESPN ranking, not 538. Not all of sports reporting is based on metrics, and I doubt these rankings are. Based on past metrics, I don't think we would come out 32 for defense. These are mostly written for provocation and in any case I walked right into it. We'll see how the season goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I get the offense, but the D ranking is silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) On paper it's easy to see how someone would say this. Also, given that we have young players that are learning it is quite clear that big plays are going to happen against the defense. For instance, suppose Edmunds takes off and plays well. You have to hope Milano does too. To me, in his second year, he's been more hesitant and lost at times than Edmunds. Then there are issues at CB opposite White that might limit what Frasier can do schematically. Offensively, it's all about the line and I think this is one of the worse one in the league. You are not going very far with terrible offensive line play I don't care who you are. Edited September 4, 2018 by NewEraBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 All these preseason rankings are great! Pushing the spreads out for us all to make more money when they make the playoffs. Get your bets on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) Bills: Projected wins: 6.3 (Ranked 32) Jets: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 31) Browns: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 30) So the Bills have more projected wins but they aren't better than the Jets despite playing more or less the same schedule? What? I mean, I don't think we are going to be good... but ranked 32nd overall is kind of surprising. Edited September 4, 2018 by berg1029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: I get the offense, but the D ranking is silly The Bills Defesne last year was: 26th in YGP 20th in yards per play 30th in 1st down per game 18th in 3rd down % 18th in Pts per game. The defense may be worse without getting as many turnovers as they did last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 questions: 1. Does anyone think that ESPN has ever once ranked an NHL, NBA, MLB, or NFL team that made the playoffs the previous year as last overall when making predictions the following year? The only one I can think of as a possibility is the Florida Marlins a while back when they had an all out purge. We lost Preston Brown, Eric Wood and Tyrod Taylor. This is just ridiculous and based on nothing. 2. If last year's roster played for another franchise, let's call it the Titans for argument's sake, had identical 2017 results and made identical offseason moves to us, would they get moved to 32 by ESPN? That is highly doubtful to me. Their rankings are uniform dependent. It's the Bills so 32. Titans, move them to 22. Steelers, they'd be ranked 8. Jets? 14. Cards? 26. Pats? Next 9 Super Bowls are in the bag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, berg1029 said: Bills: Projected wins: 6.3 (Ranked 32) Jets: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 31) Browns: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 30) So the Bills have more projected wins but they aren't better than the Jets despite playing more or less the same schedule? What? I mean, I don't think we are going to be good... but ranked 32nd overall is kind of surprising. That's the part I don't get. If you are the worse team in the league, you're not going to win 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The Bills Defesne last year was: 26th in YGP 20th in yards per play 30th in 1st down per game 18th in 3rd down % 18th in Pts per game. The defense may be worse without getting as many turnovers as they did last year Losing Preston Brown for Edmunds has moved us down past roughly one third of the league aggregate? 7 minutes ago, berg1029 said: Bills: Projected wins: 6.3 (Ranked 32) Jets: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 31) Browns: Projected wins: 6 (Ranked 30) So the Bills have more projected wins but they aren't better than the Jets despite playing more or less the same schedule? What? I mean, I don't think we are going to be good... but ranked 32nd overall is kind of surprising. I find it interesting that they project the worst records to be 6-10. Are the best 10-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: That's the part I don't get. If you are the worse team in the league, you're not going to win 6 games. I've taken it as just meaning that the parity in the league is better than usual. Looking at the list of teams, it's hard to find the equivalent of the Browns from last year. There are no clear cut losers this year Edited September 4, 2018 by berg1029 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: That's the part I don't get. If you are the worse team in the league, you're not going to win 6 games. special teams are a hidden variable, Bills haven't bothered with ST for a long time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: special teams are a hidden variable, Bills haven't bothered with ST for a long time now McD loves special teams. He kept at least three guys just for special teams that aren't kickers or holders, Holmes, Jones and Lacey, who weren't needed at their regular positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Somehow, a playoff team from last year, losing their QB who led a feeble passing game...is now worse than 0-16 Cleveland? Maybe it's the O-line mess that has as much to do with that ranking as anything. The QB is a big ?? but if they can limit turnovers it's not going to be a complete disaster. I guess the pundits don't think Peterman or Allen can play at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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