Your Brown Eye Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Emory University is a well known, good school. 7.6 billion people on this planet. It's quiet feasible that only 76 million have heard of Emory College Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 To this study, I say: Fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 "Social equity" what's that? Is that where they factor in tailgaters leaping on table that are on fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Emory can GF off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Patriot fans are #2...seriously!? I hope Emory University does this so called study again when Brady is gone and they go back to sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Patriot fans are #2...seriously!? I hope Emory University does this so called study again when Brady is gone and they go back to sucking. Let us hope this comes in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I was thinking 18 was pretty accurate.... on a ranking of all sports that is probably where I think we would land. In the NFL, my instinct and bias tells me 1st, but honestly anywhere between 5 and 12 probably has a legitimate argument. I'm not sure how an objective analysis comes up with this 18 ranking though. Good thing it is of no consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Packers way too low for brand ranking. Went to Mikwaukee on Sunday, there we had brunch... They wheeled a 90 something old lady in... She had Packer sneakers on. Enough said. Now that's brand loyalty. She can kick any second while choking on the eggs benedict, schnitzel & kraut, or strudel... And she's doing it in her Packer shoes. GB should be in the top two. Definitely above the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Counterpoint.....New Years Eve with a temperature near zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 So I guess you need expensive tickets and PSL's to be a real fan. I think the Browns fans deserve to be in the top 5 or 10 with all they have had to put up with(relocation and perennial losers) BTW there may be richer fan bases than ours but there are not any better more loyal fans anywhere on this planet. A 17 year drought and still selling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I would have thought road equity would have been higher as, given the mass exodus of the 70s and 80s, the majority of Bills fans don't even live in Erie County . But again, size of area skews most of what this guy came up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I don't think "brand" rankings means the same thing as "best fans" rankings...we all know the Bills' "brand" suffers because of the small market they are in and how they have been a losing franchise. As far as fans go, we're top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, eball said: I don't think "brand" rankings means the same thing as "best fans" rankings...we all know the Bills' "brand" suffers because of the small market they are in and how they have been a losing franchise. As far as fans go, we're top 5. That makes sense but that's not what the study's author says... Each year, I do an analysis of NFL fandom. The analysis is grounded in economic and marketing theory, and uses statistical tools to shed light on the question of which teams have the most loyal or “best” fans. The key point of differentiation is that this is a truly quantitative analysis. It’s driven by data, not by emotion.... The fundamental question that guides the analysis is simple – Who has the best fans in the NFL? https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2018/06/24/nfl-fan-and-brand-report-2018/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 If I were going to measure fandom, I'd look at how rabid and loyal the fan base is. Professor Lewis looks at very different things: Fan Equity - how much the fans spend. This has a lot to do with the wealth of the fans, the number of fans, and the win-loss record. Social Media Equity - how much the team is talked about on social media. This favors teams with national followings (e.g. Dallas - America's team) and the number of fans, not necessarily how loyal or rabid they are. Road Equity - how well the teams sells tickets at away games. Prof Lewis notes this metric favors teams with high national profiles. It might also favor teams with affluent fan bases who can afford to travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStateofWarshingtun Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Seattle should be 32 strictly based off of the bandwagon factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 18th? Does your fan base do this? 1. Routinely endure the elements and temperatures so cold that they’d make a polar bear’s nuts shrivel, often while wearing little to no clothing. 2. Consume an amount of alcohol that scientists state is incompatible with life before noon, but still manage to get into the correct seat in the upper deck of the stadium like an inebriated homing pigeon before the 1 pm kickoff. 3. Make pregame bonfires using their own bodies as kindling to demonstrate their team spirit. 4. Conduct pregame ritualistic sacrifices to curry the football god’s favor by hurling themselves from great heights through folding white tables in a manner so violent and reckless that veteran members of Seal Team Six would cringe and be forced to look away. 18th? INCONCEIVABLE!!! Edited June 27, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 At first, I thought this ranking included all sports and said "hey that's not too bad" Then I opened this thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Chiefs at #30 goes to prove what a joke this is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Bills Mafia crushes all these losers. Which other team has put up with more crap, 4 Super Bowl losses, OJ, 17 year playoff drought, wide right, Music City Miracle, EJ, blizzard games and still packs the stadium. #1 by a mile. WHEN Josh Allen raises the Vince Lombardi Trophy the NFL better be ready. No table will be safe in America. Edited June 27, 2018 by Tatonka68 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) The smoldering tire fire that runs the Titans will use this poll in some report supporting their "need" to relocate to a city that is more profitable that loves them. I feel bad for the Rams. No matter where they go or what they do, nobody loves them. That team went to two Super Bowls in the early 2000s, winning one, and still relocated. They show up in Los Angeles and are competitive, with names and talent....and still place #31st. Surprised the Chiefs score so low. Edited June 27, 2018 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: List of dumbest colleges in America 1) Emory University Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 I've been around the states enough to know that Bills fans are very good fans. But let me ask. Those of you who are saying we have the very best fans ("#1 by a mile"), what data or observations are you using? How are we better than Packer or Steeler fans, for example? There are some other passionate fan bases out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I've been around the states enough to know that Bills fans are very good fans. But let me ask. Those of you who are saying we have the very best fans ("#1 by a mile"), what data or observations are you using? How are we better than Packer or Steeler fans, for example? There are some other passionate fan bases out there. Um, because I’m a fan and we are the best. Duh, it’s science. but while the Packers and Steelers are certainly at the top of the list, think about how passionate Bills have been with 17 years of missing the playoffs. Honestly, in what other sport, would fans be such diehards, filling stadiums and bars across the country, like Bills fans??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: That makes sense but that's not what the study's author says... Each year, I do an analysis of NFL fandom. The analysis is grounded in economic and marketing theory, and uses statistical tools to shed light on the question of which teams have the most loyal or “best” fans. The key point of differentiation is that this is a truly quantitative analysis. It’s driven by data, not by emotion.... The fundamental question that guides the analysis is simple – Who has the best fans in the NFL? https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2018/06/24/nfl-fan-and-brand-report-2018/ 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: If I were going to measure fandom, I'd look at how rabid and loyal the fan base is. Professor Lewis looks at very different things: Fan Equity - how much the fans spend. This has a lot to do with the wealth of the fans, the number of fans, and the win-loss record. Social Media Equity - how much the team is talked about on social media. This favors teams with national followings (e.g. Dallas - America's team) and the number of fans, not necessarily how loyal or rabid they are. Road Equity - how well the teams sells tickets at away games. Prof Lewis notes this metric favors teams with high national profiles. It might also favor teams with affluent fan bases who can afford to travel. Yeah, the study's author is an idiot. Small market teams can never have the "best" fans using his metrics. I mean, for crissake, the Packers are ninth and everyone knows that's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Social Equity? I think they mean Soviet Equity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, eball said: Yeah, the study's author is an idiot. Small market teams can never have the "best" fans using his metrics. I mean, for crissake, the Packers are ninth and everyone knows that's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 20 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Think about this: About 7% of the population of metro Buffalo is at the Ralph on a football Sunday. In comparison, only about 2% of the Boston metro area is in Foxborough on Sundays - or about .5% of the New England region that the Pats represent. If game attendance is a measure of fandom, it's easier to find someone who went to the game in Buffalo than in Boston/New England. That is a bit misleading. There is an upper limit who can be at each game and it is easier for NE fans to hit it based on population in area. And remember this - there are a large amount of tickets sold in Buffalo home game to opposing teams fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 6 hours ago, JMF2006 said: So I guess you need expensive tickets and PSL's to be a real fan. There is at least one prominent Bills fan on this board who thinks so. Of course he got a commission on PSLs before so his view is slanted. He probably could do a similar study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That is a bit misleading. There is an upper limit who can be at each game and it is easier for NE fans to hit it based on population in area. And remember this - there are a large amount of tickets sold in Buffalo home game to opposing teams fans. You make valid points. But the Emory study uses stats that favor large market, affluent fan bases with relevant teams. So I cherry picked a stat that favors small market teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Augie said: Chiefs at #30 goes to prove what a joke this is. 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Surprised the Chiefs score so low. These people take their family photos with Chiefs gear on. Their stadium lots smell amazing with all the wood smoke; we saw someone light their charcoal in the back of their open bed pickup truck while stuck in traffic entering the lot. After initial boo-ing when they saw our Bills colors, most of them invited us over to share food and talk about our team and many complimented us for traveling to support them. These are upper echelon fans in KC and they get a lot of respect in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 "no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills." 'Nuff said. #1 fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 15 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I would have thought road equity would have been higher as, given the mass exodus of the 70s and 80s, the majority of Bills fans don't even live in Erie County . But again, size of area skews most of what this guy came up with. I don’t think that would change results... those Buffalonians who left and live in Dallas, Nashville, Miami etc when they buy tickets it comes up as a Nashville person buying tickets not a Buffalonian, so the number is actually higher as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 On June 26, 2018 at 3:30 PM, hondo in seattle said: This is a complicated subject actually. So many variables to consider... For example, the Emory prof looks at spending. Well, the per capita income in Buffalo is only about half of the per capita income in some of the bigger NFL markets. Of course Buffalonians spend less. It's an economic factor not a fandom factor. I bet we spend more as a percentage of discretionary income - a fairer measure. Then there's the market. How do you quantify this? The Bills only represent the greater Buffalo area. The other half of the state is represented by those two teams in Jersey. Teams like Seattle and Denver, on the other hand, each represent an entire state. The New England Patriots represent several states. So of course Pats fans spend more. The draw fans from a bigger geographical, more populous area. Think about this: About 7% of the population of metro Buffalo is at the Ralph on a football Sunday. In comparison, only about 2% of the Boston metro area is in Foxborough on Sundays - or about .5% of the New England region that the Pats represent. If game attendance is a measure of fandom, it's easier to find someone who went to the game in Buffalo than in Boston/New England. Not really. People in southwestern Conn, Northern Vermont and Most of Maine aren't going to go to Foxboro to see a game. Not with any regularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 On June 26, 2018 at 2:59 PM, LABILLBACKER said: Bears 6 ? Colts 11? A more realistic assessment would be Bills between 6-11 Considering 99% of the human population has never heard of Emory University, who cares? Mellenies love their analytics.... Come on! It's one of the countless "Harvard of the South"s.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Who else has a Mafia??? Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Anyone could flip this list with using any other random metrics. 1. Turnout compared to W/L record 2. Merchandise sales compared to metro area average income 3. Fan away traveling numbers Or just throw out any other pointless ones... 1. Percentage of fans that know fight song! 2. Average DWI percentage leaving game 3. Percentage of team Hall of Famers average fan can recite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Miami ranked higher then Buffalo....its a scam Edited June 28, 2018 by THE SLAMMER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If the Patriots aren't winning they have no fanbase, prior to the Brady era I think ive met like 2 Pat's fan. The majority of cowboy fand that I know are 90s bandwagon fans. I'd like to see some of these teams sell out in a 20 year playoff drought within a smaller market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Fake News 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Who else has a Mafia??? Thread. Good point, and for a losing team to boot. Bills fans are the best fans of any team in any sport. It's no secret that I am a lifelong Alabama Fan. We have a tremendous, loyal fan base but can you imagine how easy it is to be an Crimson Tide Fan? Even the name is fantastic! They are consistently great and have the best coach in the history of college football, and it isn't remotely close. If Bama loses their qb on the first play this year they will still probably lose only 2 games. I think all Bills Fans would be better off emotionally if they also were Tide fans but I digress. Nobody is more loyal that Bills Fans. Nobody, and I mean this. We stuck with them through decades of disappointments and defeats yet year after year our hopes are high. I think that my daughters are stronger people because they are Bills Fans, and I sincerely mean this. Yes, being fans is something we are the best at. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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