Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

[Aussie Joe]

I liked Tyrod and wish him all the best, however the Bills have moved on and I’m fine with that...

 

Wonder where he will be in 2019?

 

Doubt it will be with Cleveland getting paid back up money behind Baker..

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument. 

 

Me too.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Compared to McCarron Taylor is probably objectively correct, and IMO that belief is probably one of the main reasons he was shipped out.  If Taylor were benched for a rookie who then struggled, Taylor might have been outspoken about it and even brought up the race card as he did last fall, which would have been divisive to the team.  I think in the Bills opinion, McCarron is much more likely to be a "good soldier" about any coaching decisions the team makes.

 

Regarding that playoff game, one might wish to consider that Bortles was 34-155 with 75 yd net passing.  "But Bortles sucks too !" you might say, except that he sucked to the tune of hanging up 378 yds on the Steelers and 374 on the Pats in subsequent games.  My point is JUST MAYBE the weather conditions in Jax had something to do with the passing performance on both sides in that game.

My opinion is Bills wanted to go with a more traditional styled QB. Knew they were going to draft one early. AJ is a good fit to develop Dabolls offense for a year till the Rookie steps up.

Best for all parties.

ps i see no negative in the quote.

[ChasBB]

4 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

Seriously?  It makes me shudder to think of a professional athlete thinking that mediocre is "enough".

 

Thanks Tyrod, but no thanks. 

 

No, mediocre was more than enough in TT's view.  And with TT's penchant for leaving plays on the field, "mediocre" could be an overstatement of his play.  The guy had his moments, I'll give him that, but I just don't think he can carry a franchise.  I feel much better about our QB roster this season - much better.

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, gjv001 said:

If the Browns management lets Taylor play, given the quality of talent around him, he will probably get Cleveland into the playoffs this season. 

and thats a huge move upward. Fans will be delighted if they just break even !!

 He should do okay there. They need the culture change as much as we did.

 Hard worker team player

23 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I liked Tyrod and wish him all the best, however the Bills have moved on and I’m fine with that...

 

Wonder where he will be in 2019?

 

Doubt it will be with Cleveland getting paid back up money behind Baker..

why would you doubt that he would not be cool with backing Baker by 2019 or longer ? seems a reasonable trajectory to me. : )

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

This threads going 7 pages. Easy.

At least theres news today. Im not complaining.

 

 

As for OP. Tyrod did enough to stay but theres too much bad blood with the benching and too much controversy potential in a tt vs allen camp battle. The team respected Tyrod they played harder for him in that San Diego game it was obvious. That type of attitude from the team wouldnt work with what were trying to do with a franchise qb. He had to go for us to grow as a team. Its that simple. And Tyrods my dog. I hope he steps his game up big time this year or next no matter what team he lands on except for the pats or fish. This year is crucial for Tyrod,  its either gonna make or break him. Its his contract year and hes going up against the afc north who have always had his number, and hes got a #1 QB drooling at the starting position right on his coat tails. The CoT has spoken. Pastor McFly in the building. Amen

 

And yes im still down with OPP.

To me it wasnt about "doing enough to stay" yes I think there is evidence of that......starting qb for a playoff team.....his production was steady.....etc etc

 

The PROBLEM with all of that is the bills dont want to  be a fringe playoff team.....McD wants better....this was the draft to make a move for a qb because the talent actually made sense to do it.....

 

Also I think that the bills just got tired of "biulding an offense TT could run" and wanted the ability to run different types of offense.....

 

I have no problem with the move when it was made....especially the fact that we got the 3rd round pick for him (I was floored by that)

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Maybe FrameGenie figured they would have more success with the Tyrod Taylor line in the Ohio market? ?

Edited June 2, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[BobChalmers]

5 hours ago, WhoTom said:

He's certainly not going to say, "Yeah, I understand why they dumped me." Instead, he found a diplomatic way to say, "It just didn't work out, so we're both moving on."

 

 

 

Hopefully he WILL understand when he is benched again for a rookie this season.

 

Tyrod will NEVER again be a starting NFL QB except as a placeholder or injury replacement.  

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

My opinion is Bills wanted to go with a more traditional styled QB. Knew they were going to draft one early. AJ is a good fit to develop Dabolls offense for a year till the Rookie steps up.

Best for all parties.

ps i see no negative in the quote.

 

Fixed!  

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BobChalmers said:

 

Hopefully he WILL understand when he is benched again for a rookie this season.

 

Tyrod will NEVER again be a starting NFL QB except as a placeholder or injury replacement.  

I wouldnt want a qb that DIDNT think he should be a starting QB

[Fadingpain]

Tyrod is, and always has been, a little in denial regarding the strengths and weaknesses of his game.

 

His absolute reluctance to throw the football, among other faults, will always make him a fringe player right on the edge of being a starter or a backup.

 

His ceiling was nicely displayed last year.  

 

 

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

Hopefully he WILL understand when he is benched again for a rookie this season.

 

Tyrod will NEVER again be a starting NFL QB except as a placeholder or injury replacement.  

 

Fixed!  

grumpy olde man            1

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

Posted by Charean Williams on June 1, 2018, 9:06 PM EDT

AP

Tyrod Taylor felt he did “more than enough to stay” in Buffalo, but Bills coach Sean McDermott made a decision to move on. Taylor now is the starter in Cleveland for however long he is the starter in Cleveland, and AJ McCarron and Josh Allen have arrived in Buffalo.

Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News asked Taylor when he realized he wasn’t McDermott’s guy.

“Whether I was or whether I wasn’t, I’m not there anymore,” Taylor said. “That’s his decision moving forward. I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay where I was. But at the end of the day, they made a decision to move forward, and that’s their decision.”

Taylor said McDermott and General Manager Brandon Beane kept him informed of trade talks before the Bills sent him to the Browns on March 9. He said the phone conversation informing him of the trade “wasn’t a bad one.”

“There was actually a positive energy on both sides,” Taylor said.

Taylor has moved on like the Bills have moved on, ready to try to do in Cleveland what he did in Buffalo in helping end the Bills’ long playoff drought.

“I’m excited, happy with the place that I’m at now and the team that I’m playing for, and I’m excited about the opportunity,” he said.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/06/01/tyrod-taylor-i-still-feel-that-id-done-more-than-enough-to-stay/

 

guess that one touchdown a game  wasn't enough

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Well, under other circumstances he absolutely did. 

 

But his problem was that he was playing with a new regime that was very clearly devoted to drafting a Franchise QB in this year's draft. You knew it before Taylor even hit the field for OTAs when they traded back last year. That combined with a fairly mediocre year on his part (due to some circumstances he had no control over and some he did) and a very top-heavy QB class that would ultimately see 4 QBs drafted in the top 10 combined with (and this, I believe, is the main reason he's gone) getting the 65th pick in the draft for more legitmate ammunition to trade up for "our guy" is the reason he's not in Buffalo.

 

And the great thing is that both sides are happy about it, or at least appear to be so. Once again in that interview Taylor really shows he's a class act when he talks about the conversation he had regarding the trade.

 

I think this was just win win for both sides. 

 

I think Taylor will never be a legit Franchise QB, but if you surround him with enough weapons, he can look like one. And it's weird to say, but Cleveland now has better weapons than Taylor ever had in Buffalo.

 

And I think Buffalo found the guy they believe can/will be a legitimate Franchise QB for the next 10-15 years.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'm very curious to see how the Cleveland offense looks this year. They're obviously going to build an offense that plays off of Tyrod's strengths (something Dennisom didn't even try), and he'll be supported by Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde, and David Njoku. I still like Hue Jackson as a playcaller. It should be the most exciting offense they've had in years unless Tyrod totally craps the bed.

 

I think Taylor is going to have a year similar or better than 2015.

 

The issue with the Taylor dilemma was always that you need to make the decision to build around him with a strong supporting cast if you wanted him to be your QB for more than 5 years. Buffalo waffled on that decision for 3 years. Now, Cleveland isn't building around Taylor, obviously, but all those weapons you mentioned are at least conservatively on par with but probably better than what Taylor had at Buffalo's peak in offensive talent in 2015.

 

This move was great for Taylor, and I think he knows it. But the wonderful thing is that it's also looking like it could be even better for Buffalo.

 

I think people need to just set aside their bitterness via hatred or homerism and move on. 

[White Linen]

Tyrod did do enough to stay - he can absolutely play NFL football.  He just didn't do enough to have a QB drafted to replace him.  

 

Then it came down to him not passing enough,  the opportunity to get a draft pick and the $18 mil he would have made.  

[billsbackto81]

"I don't personally look over my shoulder," Taylor said. "I can't control things that are out of my reach, out of my touch. I can control only the things that I do daily -- my preparation, my effort, my energy, my execution. But I can't walk around and lead in the way I'm supposed to if I'm worried or looking over my shoulder.

-------------------------------------------------------

Actually Tyrod, your execution is the one thing you had no control over. McDermott, Beane and the Bills fan base were the axe bearers when your execution was carried out. You're a good dude and I wish you well in Cleveland if you can beat out Mayfield but the only part of your game I'll miss is the way you used to scramble and make something out of nothing. Let the Allen era begin! Go Bills!

Edited June 2, 2018 by billsbackto81

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Oh I agree.  

 

Remember 300 - the meme that wouldn’t end 

 

that all started because I said I’d like to see Tyrod pass for 300 yards more than a few times a season. 

 

Then his fans fans started in with his “great” stats. 

 

[BAs you know - a game is is more than stats.  [/b]

 

You wanted to see certain stats from Taylor, others respond with stats, you respond with "a game is more stats."

[Elite Poster]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

 

Well said. If all you got out of Tyrod's 3 years were 2 poor games, then you must have an extremely short memory. He was a big part of breaking the drought wether you like it or not. However, our goal isn't the wildcard game, it is the Superbowl. 

 

Both sides have moved on, time for us to as well. 

[CommonCents]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Keemun would've been a turnover machine here, IMO. Vikings had one of if not the best offensive lines in the game. 

The best offensive line? http://m.startribune.com/offensive-line-keenum-under-pressure-let-vikings-down-at-the-worst-time/470740663/

 

Average at best. Look at the numbers. 

[grb]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

I think Tyrod liked it here. He liked his teammates. Everyone liked him as well. We gave him 3 years. After those 3 years you still saw the same limitations. One can argue that this past year he had absolutely no weapons. Watkins traded, Woods and Goodwin leave via FA, then the guys we had either underachieved or missed multiple games due to injury. But when watching Tyrod play, you still see the same limitations no matter who is on the field. Great guy, high character, hard worker, great teammate, and gave it his all on the field. He just isn't that Franchise QB we have needed. He hasn't shown in those 3 years the ability to carry a team with his arm. Even now, in this statement, I don't see this as him whining or complaining. I think it is just him expressing his thoughts. Best of luck to Tyrod in Cleveland, except if they ever face us. 

 

Here we go again : "you still see the same limitations no matter who is on the field"

 

Really? Taylor had Watkins and Woods on the field only fifteen games over two years. That's only time he ever played with a legitimate number One & Two receiver of decent NFL grade. His remaining time as a Bill he had receivers delivered to the stadium by ambulance from the local intensive care ward. Or scrappings from other team's practice squad. Plus one very over-whelmed under-performing rookie. So, I guess it's informative to see how he performed those 15 games in '15 and '16 :

• 63.6% comp. 8.25 ypa. 27 TD passes. 6 int

Of course that's an imperfect yardstick to grade a quarterback even if it addresses the comment above, so perhaps it's better to take the single season of '15, when Taylor was 7th by NFL passer rating and averaged 8 yards an attempt. Here's the bottom line :

• Taylor gets no credit here for playing well the very limited time the Bills put a decent offensive team around him.
• Taylor gets no credit here for wins, which supposedly (always) had nothing to do with him. Strangely, the exact opposite was true of losses
• Taylor gets no credit here for the Bills going to the playoffs. No contribution whatsoever......

So you'd think it's impossible for Taylor to get any credit at all, but that shows a poor understanding of Billsy Mentality. There's one exception :

• Success on another team.

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2018 by grb

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

 

 

...NOT a proponent of stats being the sole criterion to judge.....they are highly interpretive, highly manipulative and can be used to prove one's point or disprove another's despite being the same numbers....they exclude a ton of other circumstances in the game IMO.....shall we say Dilfer's "stats" woefully sucked in SB XXXV?...uh 12/25 for 153 qualifies for sucks?...yup......but a multitude of OTHER game circumstances led to the Lombardi "on the shelf"......

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Keemun here last season? 

 

He would've sucked and the Bills would've sucked.

 

I submit he'd have played a similar level to Tyrod and the Bills record would have been the same. 

9 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

The best offensive line? http://m.startribune.com/offensive-line-keenum-under-pressure-let-vikings-down-at-the-worst-time/470740663/

 

Average at best. Look at the numbers. 

 

Yea their o-line was improved on 2016 but Keenum's ability to move over stationary Bradford played a part. 

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

His game was to limited for a wide open attack. The Bills were smart to move on...

 

this may be true.however I 'm not so sure we necessarily want to run a "wide open attack".  Coach McDermott seems to be more of a strong D/ball control offense kind of guy.  Perhaps a different QB could change that. However, hiring a ground and pound OC with a dubious record and drafting D heavy after Allen makes me think we're in for more OF the same.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

this may be true.however I 'm not so sure we necessarily want to run a "wide open attack".  Coach McDermott seems to be more of a strong D/ball control offense kind of guy.  Perhaps a different QB could change that. However, hiring a ground and pound OC with a dubious record and drafting D heavy after Allen makes me think we're in for more OF the same.

 

I think until McDermott believes he has a top notch QB he will be that way. 

[Young34]

8 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:

Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team.

 

Please stop with yards only garbage. In Brady's first three seasons as a starter, he threw for 14 games under 200 yards. This clearly isn't a sole metric to judge off of.

 

Edit: To be clear, his first three entire seasons as a starter. This isn't counting Brady's first year when he took over mid-season, which would have a higher count of low yardage games.

Edited June 2, 2018 by Young34
Clarifying that the seasons are full seasons.

[HOUSE]

My feeling is that Tyrod Taylor has a ceiling, the chance of playing better didn't excite the coaches enough to keep him around.

[BringBackOrton]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I have no idea what you’re saying.  You just said Allen had amazing arm talent and the league is filled with guys with amazing arm talent who did nothing.

 

i wanted Tyrod to move on and get a new qb. We did that and though it definitely wasn’t the guy I wanted, I hope for the best. But I’m super nervous about him.

Yeah, getting a high 3rd for Tyrod was shocking.  

I'm saying drawing lazy conclusions to other QB's is lazy and silly.

[The_Dude]

This is why I think Tyrod is actually stupid. He has horrible self awareness. 

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, gjv001 said:

If the Browns management lets Taylor play, given the quality of talent around him, he will probably get Cleveland into the playoffs this season. 

The Browns seem to be the popular annual consensus sleeper team that will sneak into the playoffs meaning there's no way in hell they're making the playoffs. 

[Cripple Creek]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think until McDermott believes he has a top notch QB he will be that way. 

***ding***ding***ding***

 

Play to win based on who you have available.

[CommonCents]

59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I submit he'd have played a similar level to Tyrod and the Bills record would have been the same. 

 

Yea their o-line was improved on 2016 but Keenum's ability to move over stationary Bradford played a part. 

Keenum was decent, he has some weapons in Denver, that is my pick of the year for win totals. I have them closer 10 than I do 7.

 

Keenum offers more presnap than Taylor and played better than most folks give him credit for. 

 

[Victory Formation]

I LOVE Taylor and will always respect him greatly but it was time to move on. We had the opportunity to draft a top QB in a draft loaded with franchise QBs, I'm sorry but too many chefs in the kitchen, the locker room would have been divided and that 3rd round pick helped us get a franchise MLB.

[Stank_Nasty]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think until McDermott believes he has a top notch QB he will be that way. 

And honestly I think we all should be fine with that. 

 

I'm just spit balling in a dream world here but my best case scenario for this year is a poor man's version of the 04 "stillers". I live right on the outskirts of stiller country so ive seen a ton of that guy. Maybe the Defense takes that next step. Offense has a great run game and the rookie needs to make 3 or 4 WOW plays a game... and honestly the coaches and defense protected big Ben from himself up until about 2010 or 11. If we are thinking long haul here it may be that way for quite some time. Try and make sure the other units can pick up the slack while Allen gets his footing. If we are lucky he's around long enough for us to see that 10-12 year transformation. 

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

why would you doubt that he would not be cool with backing Baker by 2019 or longer ? seems a reasonable trajectory to me. : )

 

Well, he rates himself as a starter, and another QB needy team will roll the dice on him as a bridge/insurance policy for at least one year, and unlike the Browns they won’t have to give up a draft pick to do so..

[Shaw66]

Several things:

 

1.  I'm still not convinced about Tyrod, but once they benched him for Peterman, he had to go.   That was a clear vote of no confidence, and there was no going back.

 

2.  I sincerely hope he succeeds in Cleveland or somewhere else.   He's committed to his craft, he works hard, and I like to see that work ethic rewarded.

 

3.  Tyrod is a quality guy.   Some guys would have griped somewhere along the line, on his way out the door, if not earlier, but he wouldn't do that.  This latest comment isn't griping; it's just a statement of his confidence in himself and his recognition that the Bills had a different view.   

 

I've written before about my good friend who lived next door to Tyrod on Main Street most of the time Tyrod was in Buffalo.  They had the only two apartments on their floor.   She's 92, and she's a big fan.   Recently she told me that one day she was in the lobby of their building with her wheel-chair-bound granddaughter.  Some other people were there, too.  Tyrod got off the elevator, in a hurry to go someplace.   People recognized him and wanted to talk, but he was headed straight for the door.   Then he saw my friend and her granddaughter, stopped and came over to talk with the girl.   No one asked him to stop; he just wouldn't leave with giving the girl a few minutes of his time.   When he finished chatting, he was out the door and gone.  

 

Good luck, TT.  

[stuvian]

If we hadn't had a regime change TT would likely have been given a longer lease on the starting QB job. He got us a post season berth and in any other circumstance would have been rewarded somehow. I am grateful for his service to our team and will always think of him as a class act.

 

I also still think he is more talented than he has shown us so far. I think he was playing in a tight box and coached out of improvising. He's going to have a long career in the vein of McCown or Fitz and if he gets with a coach who can maximize his skills, look out. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

This is why I think Tyrod is actually stupid. He has horrible self awareness. 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Seeing that has me fearing for the future of Mankind...on so many levels.

 

Plus 'Mankind' has probably offended someone.

[Shaw66]

37 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

And honestly I think we all should be fine with that. 

 

I'm just spit balling in a dream world here but my best case scenario for this year is a poor man's version of the 04 "stillers". I live right on the outskirts of stiller country so ive seen a ton of that guy. Maybe the Defense takes that next step. Offense has a great run game and the rookie needs to make 3 or 4 WOW plays a game... and honestly the coaches and defense protected big Ben from himself up until about 2010 or 11. If we are thinking long haul here it may be that way for quite some time. Try and make sure the other units can pick up the slack while Allen gets his footing. If we are lucky he's around long enough for us to see that 10-12 year transformation. 

Yes, I agree that we should be fine with Gunner's comment - the offense will be, and should be, conservative until the Bills have an offense that can win opening it up. 

 

And I agree very much about the Steelers protecting Ben.  Ben was something of a train wreck for several seasons off the field, and the Steelers had a lot of patience with him.   I don't think Allen is likely to be an off-field problem, but it may take a while to get him up to speed as an NFL starter.   McDermott is likely to be patient, so long as Allen is working at his craft and improving.   

[Albwan]

When you have Lesean Mccoy at rb, and you only score 3 in a playoff game,

good story man.