dpberr Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 He's an adult who has made some exceptionally poor career decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I don’t like this idea at this time. I have it on good authority that there is zero chance he comes back to play for Bills. We hold his rights. He made his mistakes. We shouldn’t reward him. If anything tell him if he wants to unretire negotiate with another team and then we trade him to them, even if it’s a 7th rounder. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yep. Marv Levy had it right, if a coach says he's going to retire in a year or two years, he's already retired, he just doesn't know it yet. I think the same thing is true for players. Sometimes it is a bargaining chip or a way to make changes a player has been trying to push on team. I think Incognito was unhappy about hearing regarding cut at the same time he heard news from doctor. This snapped him back to some of his old personality. The smart thing to do when he was told Bills wanted to cut salary was to say "no" and retire after being cut. I would have thought after the retirement foobar early in year he would have learned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I hate this. You don't give in to these types of shenanigans. Now they set the precedent that you can just get out if you think you should get paid more. He just signed the contract and has yet to even have a practice or game since. Thwy should yave forced him to be retured or show up to camp. Then if he mans up and shows, you work with him to get him what he wants if possible provided he can act like an adult. Kind of rediculous that it sounds like parenting advice, but that's where we are. It's not about richie, it's about future contracts. So much for accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don’t like this idea at this time. I have it on good authority that there is zero chance he comes back to play for Bills. We hold his rights. He made his mistakes. We shouldn’t reward him. If anything tell him if he wants to unretire negotiate with another team and then we trade him to them, even if it’s a 7th rounder. Agreed. I don't get why we just cut him loose? Are there cap ramifications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Please merge if desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: He won't get more money, but teams will contact him. Just now, thurst44 said: Looks like it does. Sportrac now only lists him as a little more than a 1.1m dead cap hit and it was much more than that last time I checked (i wanna say roughly 5m after restructuring?) The 1.15 million (old signing bonus) has been his dead money since he retired. If I remember right their was a question about the 1 million guaranteed from his restructure and whether he had a right to the 1 million. This "cut" by the Bill's may have been an agreement between the 2 parties. Ritchie doesn't go after the 1 million in turn the Bill's release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Agree with Shotgunner. That is the way Eugene Parker, currently in hell, manipulated the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I heard he is going to work for the CIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MDH Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don’t like this idea at this time. I have it on good authority that there is zero chance he comes back to play for Bills. We hold his rights. He made his mistakes. We shouldn’t reward him. If anything tell him if he wants to unretire negotiate with another team and then we trade him to them, even if it’s a 7th rounder. Yeah, I don't see how releasing him helps the Bills in any way. It can only hurt them if he decides to shore up the line of an AFC East team or someone they play this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teef Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 why in the world would they just outright release him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: The 1.15 million (old signing bonus) has been his dead money since he retired. If I remember right their was a question about the 1 million guaranteed from his restructure and whether he had a right to the 1 million. This "cut" by the Bill's may have been an agreement between the 2 parties. Ritchie doesn't go after the 1 million in turn the Bill's release him. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he was still being listed with a cap hit until today (along with the dead money). In any case, if Sportrac is right, it looks as if they will have a little over 13m in cap space when they sign Allen and Phillips, but not sure if that's more than it was before the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: why in the world would they just outright release him? So he can be somebody else's headache now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MDH said: Yeah, I don't see how releasing him helps the Bills in any way. It can only hurt them if he decides to shore up the line of an AFC East team or someone they play this season. Wouldn't we still have to pay his complete salary if he stayed on the reserve list or officially retired before June 1? Or did that take care of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The guy has been odd his whole career. I’m glad he was a Bill. Best of luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thurst44 said: I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he was still being listed with a cap hit until today (along with the dead money). In any case, if Sportrac is right, it looks as if they will have a little over 13m in cap space when they sign Allen and Phillips, but not sure if that's more than it was before the release. I keep a pretty close eye on Spotrac and it hasn't changed concerning Ritchie. You can tell by looking on the right pane in transactions. It will show Ritchie released soon. If any changes happen it will happen once they post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: The 1.15 million (old signing bonus) has been his dead money since he retired. If I remember right their was a question about the 1 million guaranteed from his restructure and whether he had a right to the 1 million. This "cut" by the Bill's may have been an agreement between the 2 parties. Ritchie doesn't go after the 1 million in turn the Bill's release him. I'm thinking you may be onto something here, though I think the details may be wrong. This has the ring of "negotiated settlement" Typically if a player retires, they need to repay the prorated portion of their signing bonus, in RI's case $1.15M (I think) and they forfeit guaranteed money. The Bills and RI may have reached a negotiation where they released him in exchange for a favorable settlement of the cap/repayment issue, with RI (if he wants to play) feeling that he'll get more money if he's on the market and signs, than he loses by prolonging a fight over returning his prorated signing bonus. I know it's in quotes but I think the word "cut" is confusing here. RI retired, and wasn't cut. That means the Bills definitively don't owe him any guaranteed salary for next year, and he has to repay his signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Does releasing him from the reserved/retired list mean he is released from the organization? Or, that just clears a path for him to return to the Bills from being retired? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Good player but far from a difference maker. Better than what's in place but I'm sure Teller and others will be up to the task. Let him be someone else's head case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: I still say he will be back under a reconstructed contract,without even having a agent. That’s what I thought, but I just heard we gave him his release? Why do that? Can’t we get even a late round pick for him? (I didn’t read thru all this yet, so I bet this has been covered, but still?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm thinking you may be onto something here, though I think the details may be wrong. This has the ring of "negotiated settlement" Typically if a player retires, they need to repay the prorated portion of their signing bonus, in RI's case $1.15M (I think) and they forfeit guaranteed money. The Bills and RI may have reached a negotiation where they released him in exchange for a favorable settlement of the cap/repayment issue, with RI (if he wants to play) feeling that he'll get more money if he's on the market and signs, than he loses by prolonging a fight over returning his prorated signing bonus. I know it's in quotes but I think the word "cut" is confusing here. RI retired, and wasn't cut. That means the Bills definitively don't owe him any guaranteed salary for next year, and he has to repay his signing bonus. You could be right Hap. FTR, when I said "cut" I meant the news we heard today. He did sign the restructure bonus when they decreased his salary. That is the 1 million I was talking about. I bet someone in sports news will ask these questions soon and we probably will hear a reason why this all happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Just now, Augie said: That’s what I thought, but I just heard we gave him his release? Why do that? Can’t we get even a late round pick for him? (I didn’t read thru all this yet, so I bet this has been covered, but still?) 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No mystery. Beane and McDermott want no part of his unbalanced antics. See ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I keep a pretty close eye on Spotrac and it hasn't changed concerning Ritchie. You can tell by looking on the right pane in transactions. It will show Ritchie released soon. If any changes happen it will happen once they post that. Ah, ok. For some reason, I was certain we were still on the hook for his salary plus the signing bonus until we settled this. So, we saved that money when we put him on the "Retired/Reserve" list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I am trying to figure out why in the world fans would want him back after all of this...... You expect to get max play out of a guy that cant decide...literally minute to minute....on whether or not he wants to retire? I dont want a player like that protecting Josh Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 How long until he fails a drug test? ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Take this for what it's worth I was told by a security guard at one bills drive that Ritchie called the pegulas hammered one night and said a few choice words to them and he is 100% banned from buffalo bills property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, teef said: i mean, he could have refused the pay cut. no one had a gun to his head. Yeah and then he likely would have been cut...UPDATE he just was lol Edited May 21, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No mystery. Beane and McDermott want no part of his unbalanced antics. See ya! I can understand and respect that. A late round draft pick might have been a nice parting gift, but I’m sure they thought of that. Was there ZERO market for him? Does it help us financially? Oh well, build that line!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Bills just released him... Honestly Incognito has sounded like he has been off his meds or something...incoherent at times and not making any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: I can understand and respect that. A late round draft pick might have been a nice parting gift, but I’m sure they thought of that. Was there ZERO market for him? Does it help us financially? Oh well, build that line!!! It seems to me like McDermott and Beane are getting rid of these kinds of players anyway. If you dont fit their vision...your gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don’t like this idea at this time. I have it on good authority that there is zero chance he comes back to play for Bills. We hold his rights. He made his mistakes. We shouldn’t reward him. If anything tell him if he wants to unretire negotiate with another team and then we trade him to them, even if it’s a 7th rounder. Huge mistake. How do you play hardball with Boldin, then do this with Richie? Bizarro. I get that he played well here, but this is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Make him happy and get him back in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Ah, ok. For some reason, I was certain we were still on the hook for his salary plus the signing bonus until we settled this. So, we saved that money when we put him on the "Retired/Reserve" list? Yeah, Hap and I were talking about this a few posts ago. The rules around "retiring" are not cut and dry. The CBA talks about both the team and the player (thru the NFLPA) can go after money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicharito said: Take this for what it's worth I was told by a security guard at one bills drive that Ritchie called the pegulas hammered one night and said a few choice words to them and he is 100% banned from buffalo bills property. It's funny how believable this is 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It seems to me like McDermott and Beane are getting rid of these kinds of players anyway. If you dont fit their vision...your gone I get it, and I’m fine with it. I guess they just couldn’t get anything for him. He WAS gone, they WERE rid of him....but if you have a little leverage to get something in return, I’d try that. I’m guessing they did and nobody wanted to give anything for him.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicharito said: Take this for what it's worth I was told by a security guard at one bills drive that Ritchie called the pegulas hammered one night and said a few choice words to them and he is 100% banned from buffalo bills property. How would he get their personal phone number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: How would he get their personal phone number? Do you have your bosses phone number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I'm not going to trash (unless he goes to the pats*) him for his decision. he came here and turned his career around and played well. wish him well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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