dpberr Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) I still find it ironic politicians will lose their minds over legalizing prostitution but are a-ok with legalizing all sorts of things related to alcohol, weed, firearms, gambling, etc. All your vices belong to us. - government Edited May 14, 2018 by dpberr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Are there any links you can provide showing that availability to "gambling" results in an increased rate of foreclosure? Was the real estate crash of 2008 attributable to gambling or just Americans over-extending themselves? (i.e. buying a house that was beyond their means). Have you not seen The Big Short? An EXCELLENT movie that EVERYONE should watch! 7 minutes ago, dpberr said: I still find it ironic politicians will lose their minds over legalizing prostitution but are a-ok with legalizing all sorts of things related to alcohol, weed, firearms, gambling, etc. All your vices belong to us. - government Hard to run on "family values" and legalize prostitution...although that morality line seems to be getting blurrier by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Won't this just open the door for more speculation that the refs are in cahoots with the Patriots whenever they play the Bills and get the favor of head-scratching calls? Do you want to bet on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Have you not seen The Big Short? An EXCELLENT movie that EVERYONE should watch! I certainly did. The one scene where the stripper said she owned four condos...had nothing to do with "gambling" at a local casino or placing a $20 bet on a game. Had to do with her decision (like millions of others in 2008) to buy a $400,000 house on a $50,000/year income. Saratoga Springs, NY has a beautiful horse track and attracts millions of spectators each year. They also have a casino/slots. The housing market is vibrant. I just don't believe there is a clearly defined correlation between gambling/sports betting and foreclosures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Are there any links you can provide showing that availability to "gambling" results in an increased rate of foreclosure? Was the real estate crash of 2008 attributable to gambling or just Americans over-extending themselves? (i.e. buying a house that was beyond their means). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/30/studies-casinos-bring-jobs-but-also-crime-bankruptcy-and-even-suicide/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.061a538f275c https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170103101751.htm There are so many links it is tiring to look through them all. Google them and you will see the same results time after time. No one really refutes it. They just all go along as gov't and local gov't profit off of it without realizing or caring(?) that it cost as much or more to deal with the problems then they get back. This is why locals hold out for an enormous rights fee paid to local gov't when casino is interested in locating in their areas. If they know if it is inevitable they are coming to at least get an early pay day. Edited May 14, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why? Who would need to travel to that dump just to lay a sports bet? How would the league(s) get money? Licensing, promotions/ad rev, partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: Bovada be like ☹️ Can states that institute their own form of gambling block the offshore stuff? I hope they offer something as convenient if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 some brilliant anysis on here. It’s like Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: His casinos sure did! Did they go bankrupt or was bankruptcy declared? There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, dpberr said: I still find it ironic politicians will lose their minds over legalizing prostitution but are a-ok with legalizing all sorts of things related to alcohol, weed, firearms, gambling, etc. All your vices belong to us. - government Vice “sin” Taxes... when govt looking for revenue streams... also decreases rate of encarceration... its not illegal... win win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Legal pot, legal betting, all that's left are legal hookers. Woohoo! I'm going to have to differ with you there. The simple reason is rural areas don't generate tax revenue like urban areas do. In fact I'd be willing to bet the opposite is true. People in Buffalo like to think that they are supporting New York City with taxes. The fact is NYC carries the rest of the state. They aren't hookers if you film it. They are actresses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Welp! -There goes my excuse for sneaking out to Vegas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Can this Trump administration do wrong? MAGA indeed! You can thank NJ and his arch-nemesis Chris Christie for getting SCOTUS, not POTUS, to rule PASPA as unconstitutional. In fact, Trump strongly opposed striking it down, probably because he holds grudges like a school girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 How many people's gas will I have to lock off because of this ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 So we have two pro sports teams in Las Vegas (Knights and Raiders) and now legal gambling.... what a surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitum Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: People in Buffalo like to think that they are supporting New York City with taxes. The fact is NYC carries the rest of the state. Over 80% of my county property taxes goes towards medicaid, for ppl in NYC. So no, you're wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 how big a market is out there that never thought to gamble before? i'm assuming everyone who wanted to was able to find a way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 So how long until stadium put “books” in the stadiums ala Europe and the Premier League?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So how long until stadium put “books” in the stadiums ala Europe and the Premier League?? As soon as the leagues realize that this is the only way they'll get a piece of the betting action (charging a "convenience" fee). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Perry Turtle said: As soon as the leagues realize that this is the only way they'll get a piece of the betting action (charging a "convenience" fee). So pretty quickly lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Supreme Court Strikes Down Sports Gambling Law This has huge implications for the NFL and other professional sports leagues So...Pete Rose goes into the HOF then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Outsource this to China or India. you'll never know what you just bet on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 Everyone is ready to cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 5-14: Andrew Brandt of MMQB Talks SCOTUS Gambling Decision on One Bills Live (12:28) Edited May 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Infinitum said: Over 80% of my county property taxes goes towards medicaid, for ppl in NYC. So no, you're wrong. Choose to believe this or not. As a whole WNY gets more than it pays though NYC gets a little more in some categories like Medicaid. But not 80%. http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/oct/14/chris-jacobs/state-spends-more-western-new-york-it-receives-tax/ Edited May 14, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Outsource this to China or India. you'll never know what you just bet on. But at least with the exchange rate you will lose less than planned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: NYS assembly and Guv are licking their chops right now.....Mmmmmmm tax revenue. Well if the State has any part in it, they will screw it up so that it costs more to administer than they take in, just like OTB. It will be more like pocket-lining revenue. 2 hours ago, Infinitum said: Over 80% of my county property taxes goes towards medicaid, for ppl in NYC. So no, you're wrong. You know, this might be a bigger deal if NYC was part of, lets say, Pennsylvania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Huge implications...get ready for prop bet city...people with apps out betting on who the next person to score is during game, etc... This is going to open up a whole new level of craziness and I'm sure new york state will be at the front of line to get this up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 5 hours ago, dpberr said: I still find it ironic politicians will lose their minds over legalizing prostitution but are a-ok with legalizing all sorts of things related to alcohol, weed, firearms, gambling, etc. That is because politicians are most laywers (not a typo) and want the exclusive right to screw us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Always remember...all Lottery revenue in NYS goes to the schools. I read that somewhere. Better than what they do in PA. Flush it down the hopper on seniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Gigs said: You can thank NJ and his arch-nemesis Chris Christie for getting SCOTUS, not POTUS, to rule PASPA as unconstitutional. In fact, Trump strongly opposed striking it down, probably because he holds grudges like a school girl. Hows your 401k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Stenbar said: Hows your 401k? Let's not use stock market performance as a measure of Presidential competence. History tends to not jive well with the point I think you're trying to make. 4 hours ago, row_33 said: how big a market is out there that never thought to gamble before? i'm assuming everyone who wanted to was able to find a way. Id like to make the occasional wager but I'm not interested in getting involved with a bookie. I live 10 minutes from Delaware and have bet there occasionally but I don't like the forced parlay system they have. If PA gets this up and running in a reasonably accessible manner I'll drop a couple bucks. 5 hours ago, Commonsense said: Can states that institute their own form of gambling block the offshore stuff? I hope they offer something as convenient if they do. I thought the offshore was already illegal for Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Let's not use stock market performance as a measure of Presidential competence. It is NOT a measure of Presidential competence. It IS a measure of Presidential incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It is NOT a measure of Presidential competence. It IS a measure of Presidential incompetence. Ronald Reagan? Teddy Roosevelt, twice. Kennedy Franklin Roosevelt in 1937 Edited May 14, 2018 by That's No Moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Shotgunner said: Good luck with that. They will blow all the tax revenue in NYC on useless BS. Just like CA, we should be trying to separate the state. Us rural folks literally and figuratively "pay the price" for the big city on the coast. Its a big ol country with lots lots of rural states without a city on the coast... if you think it’s a pressing issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 For the record I’m for this decision. I’m not a gambler myself but the federal government should have as little say in any citizen’s life as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: For the record I’m for this decision. I’m not a gambler myself but the federal government should have as little say in any citizen’s life as possible. Im not into most of the sins (gambling, drugs, prostitution etc...) but it’s not my place to govern someone else’s morality. As long as you don’t actively hurt me or mine - go have fun. I’m not even huge on the “tax the hell out of it” angle. If the practice ofsaid sincreates costs to society, just try to balance those line items with a fair tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Legal pot, legal betting, all that's left are legal hookers. Woohoo! I'm going to have to differ with you there. The simple reason is rural areas don't generate tax revenue like urban areas do. In fact I'd be willing to bet the opposite is true. People in Buffalo like to think that they are supporting New York City with taxes. The fact is NYC carries the rest of the state. Right on. NY State without NYC would have economic indicators in line with states like West Virginia and Mississippi. The “separatists” would be sorry if they got what they wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: The law of diminishing returns. There are only so many suckers willing to throw their money out the window. ... Yet another crack in the hull of this sinking boat of contemporary society.... I don’t see how this has much to do with contemporary society imo. Gambling has been popular since early civilization. It’s simply the wise choice to reap the tax benefits, as opposed to pretending that it doesn’t exist. Our society often likes to pretend that these sort of things don’t exist. That’s a bigger than anything imo. Fwiw, this is coming for someone with little to no interest in gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Gamble until you turn blue, I really don't care. It is however, a slippery slope that more often leads to ruin, instead of riches.. Smart people don't throw their money down the drain like this... The cost to society is much greater than any alleged tax benefit, via destroyed lives,and families. I hear you, it’s certainly a very slippery slope. I’m not a fan of the idea of gambling much myself, but there are many ways to destroy ones life. Alcohol and cigarettes rank high on that list, but I don’t see anyone advocating the abolition of either. Gambling will occur regardless of the legality, we might as well collect the tax benefits. You can legislate all you want, but you can’t prevent people from flushing their life down the drain. I guarantee that more families will be torn apart by infidelity than gambling. When do we attach jail time to marital infidelity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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