PIZ Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Not sure if it's been posted. http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/daboll-had-specific-plan-josh-allen-if-bills-drafted-him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Bean said that Daboll had a plan for any of the top QBs. Let's just hope it is a good plan :). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I'd hope he has a plan - but more to the point, what is the plan? To any extent? And who's exactly in charge of Allen's development coaching here, Culley? Daboll? These are more the questions that made me skeptical about the pick. I could also use anyone's honest help with Daboll and Culley's experience with coaching up QBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Blue cheese. What else do we have to know? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I have a 10 year plan because I want to live off my pension, 401k and investments and retire when I'm 55. I hope the Bills plan at QB is as iron clad as mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 air it out like Tua? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Have to think they will implement many concepts Wyoming did especially that play action where he rolls right. Allen has been money doing those. I also expect some screens and short dump plays. But my biggest thought is play action for sure. Having Shady is the perfect combo for Allen. Safety bites on pkay action and Allen throws the bomb. Otherwise linebacker bite and Shady shreads them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Chan had a plan. Rex had a plan. Roman had a plan. Dennison had a plan... All these flops had plans. The problem was they didn't have a clue. This isn't about some coach's stupid plan... It's about giving an offense everything it needs to win football games... That means strategy, and effective weapons. Spare me your bullsh_t schemes, and cutesy playcalling... Put the ball in the end zone or you're fired. Point blank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I don't care about the labor pains. Just show me the baby. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Year 2 for this regime should be interesting. No more excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Daboll is a carpetbagger coach. He don't even unpack. Good bad or indifferent he won't be here after 2 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 "Everyone has got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.." Mike Tyson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 hours ago, DJB said: Have to think they will implement many concepts Wyoming did especially that play action where he rolls right. Allen has been money doing those. I also expect some screens and short dump plays. But my biggest thought is play action for sure. Having Shady is the perfect combo for Allen. Safety bites on pkay action and Allen throws the bomb. Otherwise linebacker bite and Shady shreads them. I could just see it now Allen throws a bomb to open air! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: "Everyone has got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.." Mike Tyson But Mike's plan after being punched in mouth was to bite off opponent's ear - not a good plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: But Mike's plan after being punched in mouth was to bite off opponent's ear - not a good plan. Ha Ha! That was old and slow and stopped training Mike Tyson in the mid nineties.. Not scariest man to ever walk the earth Mike Tyson in the mid to late 80’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 5 hours ago, ctk232 said: I'd hope he has a plan - but more to the point, what is the plan? To any extent? And who's exactly in charge of Allen's development coaching here, Culley? Daboll? These are more the questions that made me skeptical about the pick. I could also use anyone's honest help with Daboll and Culley's experience with coaching up QBs... Wouldn't the same questions be asked for any of the QBs that we would have picked....If we had picked Rosen, then the same questions apply...What has the "coaches" got to do with your skepticism of the Allen pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, ganesh said: Wouldn't the same questions be asked for any of the QBs that we would have picked....If we had picked Rosen, then the same questions apply...What has the "coaches" got to do with your skepticism of the Allen pick? Allen is raw, unrefined, and in need of much work to maybe, hopefully, some day be brought up to NFL standards of play. The QB coach/mentor is more important with him than a lot of guys for those reasons, and of course, considering what we paid to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Allen is raw, unrefined, and in need of much work to maybe, hopefully, some day be brought up to NFL standards of play. The QB coach/mentor is more important with him than a lot of guys for those reasons, and of course, considering what we paid to get him. I don't buy into it...Rosen hada 6-5 record and is probably as much a project (All College QBs entering NFL are projects) in the 1st year as Allen. Each of them do their own individual things well, but as a whole package have several flaws...Without proper experience and coaching in the NFL they will be eaten alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 6 hours ago, #34fan said: Chan had a plan. Rex had a plan. Roman had a plan. Dennison had a plan... All these flops had plans. The problem was they didn't have a clue. This isn't about some coach's stupid plan... It's about giving an offense everything it needs to win football games... That means strategy, and effective weapons. Spare me your bullsh_t schemes, and cutesy playcalling... Put the ball in the end zone or you're fired. Point blank. These kinds of posts are ridiculous. Of course they have to perform, both coaches and players. Give them an opportunity to do so before criticizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Ifartalot said: Daboll is a carpetbagger coach. He don't even unpack. Good bad or indifferent he won't be here after 2 seasons. so then...we have someone with patriot experience and probably as capable as mcdaniels and he's a carpetbagger. i wonder if he's had a role on any playoff teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Sure he has a plan, run the ball more. Just like Wyoming did. You don't let Josh Allen beat you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, #34fan said: Chan had a plan. Rex had a plan. Roman had a plan. Dennison had a plan... All these flops had plans. The problem was they didn't have a clue. This isn't about some coach's stupid plan... It's about giving an offense everything it needs to win football games... That means strategy, and effective weapons. Spare me your bullsh_t schemes, and cutesy playcalling... Put the ball in the end zone or you're fired. Point blank. Sooooo, what are you saying? Why beat around the bush... LOL. Agree 100%. I hope we see more then just the light at the end of the tunnel. Lets get the thing going! Edited May 7, 2018 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Carter said: Year 2 for this regime should be interesting. No more excuses. Yes. No more excuses for being one and done in the playoffs your first year on the job given the prestigious history of this franchise the last 18 years. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Ifartalot said: Daboll is a carpetbagger coach. He don't even unpack. Good bad or indifferent he won't be here after 2 seasons. Can one be a carpetbagger when he’s returning to his hometown and already has deep local connections? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 6 hours ago, #34fan said: Rex had a plan. Are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cripple Creek Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Carter said: Year 2 for this regime should be interesting. No more excuses. Damn dude. Team exceeded expectations last season and this year is it for you? That's harsh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Nice to see the usual suspects urinating in the punch bowl again. Bunch of friggin' Pavlovian dogs around here. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said: so then...we have someone with patriot experience and probably as capable as mcdaniels and he's a carpetbagger. i wonder if he's had a role on any playoff teams? You know what "carpetbagger" means, right? Now, I haven't seen his domicile to say whether or not he's unpacked or planning another job-hop in the near future, but the post you've quoted has nothing to do with ability or experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: Sure he has a plan, run the ball more. Just like Wyoming did. You don't let Josh Allen beat you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 8 hours ago, #34fan said: Chan had a plan. Rex had a plan. Roman had a plan. Dennison had a plan... All these flops had plans. The problem was they didn't have a clue. This isn't about some coach's stupid plan... It's about giving an offense everything it needs to win football games... That means strategy, and effective weapons. Spare me your bullsh_t schemes, and cutesy playcalling... Put the ball in the end zone or you're fired. Point blank. Chan Gailey's offense was impressive given the talent on the team. His D coordinator pick, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 hours ago, PIZ said: Not sure if it's been posted. http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/daboll-had-specific-plan-josh-allen-if-bills-drafted-him Not directed at you Piz but wgr DUH - I would hope they had a plan in place for any QB they planned on drafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Not directed at you Piz but wgr DUH - I would hope they had a plan in place for any QB they planned on drafting Yep. After I read it again, I realize it is a pretty week article. Oh well, news is slow the past few days, unless you count the poster with the alter ego. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Allen is raw, unrefined, and in need of much work to maybe, hopefully, some day be brought up to NFL standards of play. The QB coach/mentor is more important with him than a lot of guys for those reasons, and of course, considering what we paid to get him. I think the biggest question is - Are the Bills going to find a coach to work on refining and enhancing Allen's techniques OR are they just going to try to work around him flaws and all. PLEASE - for the love of GOD - bring in a coach to help Allen work on him footwork etc. ex: Jordan Palmer. DaBoll has his plate FULL just coming up with a playbook and our QB coach ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, cd1 said: I think the biggest question is - Are the Bills going to find a coach to work on refining and enhancing Allen's techniques OR are they just going to try to work around him flaws and all. PLEASE - for the love of GOD - bring in a coach to help Allen work on him footwork etc. ex: Jordan Palmer. DaBoll has his plate FULL just coming up with a playbook and our QB coach ???? Allen has been working with Palmer and to my knowledge Palmer doesn't want to sign with a team he wants to do his independent thing. And from what i have read he has been refining his mechanics. Now is that something that really you need a QB coach or mechanics coach for? If Allen knows what he needs to work on he needs to take ownership of that and do the work himself. Mechanics and fundamentals are just like Bruce Arians said in his interview with John Murphy, you have to spend 20 minutes a day working on fundamentals, like hitting golf balls at a driving range. Allen needs to do the work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 11 hours ago, PIZ said: Not sure if it's been posted. http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/daboll-had-specific-plan-josh-allen-if-bills-drafted-him This will be a cool story in about 1-2 years when Daboll likely moves onto another position or is fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Logic said: I don't care about the labor pains. Just show me the baby. Ask, and ye shall receive. And it says Dabol "HAD" a plan. Does he still have it? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 4 hours ago, ganesh said: I don't buy into it...Rosen hada 6-5 record and is probably as much a project (All College QBs entering NFL are projects) in the 1st year as Allen. Each of them do their own individual things well, but as a whole package have several flaws...Without proper experience and coaching in the NFL they will be eaten alive. I'm sorry, but did you use wins and losses as a metric for a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 hours ago, #34fan said: Chan had a plan. Rex had a plan. Roman had a plan. Dennison had a plan... All these flops had plans. The problem was they didn't have a clue. This isn't about some coach's stupid plan... It's about giving an offense everything it needs to win football games... That means strategy, and effective weapons. Spare me your bullsh_t schemes, and cutesy playcalling... Put the ball in the end zone or you're fired. Point blank. Actually I liked Chan’s plan more than anyone else. Problem was personnel, and the proper utilization of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I'd like to see a lot of short throws underneath, plays designed to get a guy open right away immediately. Allen will thrive in the intermediate/deep stuff, focus on quick stuff to get the chains moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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