Irv Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Jim Kelly's college stats. BAM! Year Team Games Passing G Rec Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Rate 1979 Miami 11 5–6–0 104 48 46.2 721 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami 12 9–3–0 206 109 52.9 1,519 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami 11 9–2–0 285 168 58.9 2,403 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami 7–4–0 81 51 63.0 585 3 1 133.4 Career 45 30–15 676 376 55.6 5,228 33 28 128.4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Oh, good. I guess we don't need to discuss this anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 He did show really good accuracy at the senior bowl. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Here we go with comparing stats from today with the nearly 40 year old college stats again. Please make it stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Here we go with comparing stats from today with the nearly 40 year old college stats again. Please make it stop. I could say the exact same about all the negative Nancy boys on the forum as well. Please make them stop! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Pulling out stats from the Carter/Reagan administrations and thinking it proves your point <<<<< 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, billspro said: He did show really good accuracy at the senior bowl. Shhhhh... Haven't you heard? The kid will never be able to throw an accurate pass and will be a complete bust..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I'm cool with the Allen pick... I probably would have taken Rosen, but I also get why they took Allen instead. That said, people need to stop comparing his comp% to players from 2 generations ago. It does not help your case. Just go with, as Mayock said yesterday "projection over production", where you realize he had inferior talent and coaching and believe you're staff can mold him. He does have the highest ceiling of anybody in this class, but also the highest bust potential by a mile. There is no way to spin that horrendous comp % positively. It's bad, but hopefully he improves his fundamentals and becomes what they drafted him to be. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, rodneykm said: I could say the exact same about all the negative Nancy boys on the forum as well. Please make them stop! Its' a message board. Fans "whining" and expressing their opinion is what it is made for. I would rather see the "whining" then see useless, non-applicable college stats from 40 years ago brought up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Couple things.. Comparing college stats from 30 years ago is hilare. And I see a guy in Kelly who improved each year. Something Allen didn’t do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 he strikes me as a kid who loves to put the work in. that's important 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Pulling out stats from the Carter/Reagan administrations and thinking it proves your point <<<<< Football is football. Brett Favre's college stats: 1987 Southern Miss 18 11 79 194 40.7 1264 15 13 1988 Southern Miss 19 11 178 319 55.8 2271 16 5 1989 Southern Miss 20 11 206 381 54.1 2588 14 10 1990 Southern Miss 21 11 150 275 54.5 1572 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Irv said: Jim Kelly's college stats. BAM! Year Team Games Passing G Rec Att Cmp Pct Yds TD Int Rate 1979 Miami 11 5–6–0 104 48 46.2 721 5 6 108.7 1980 Miami 12 9–3–0 206 109 52.9 1,519 11 7 125.7 1981 Miami 11 9–2–0 285 168 58.9 2,403 14 14 136.2 1982 Miami 7–4–0 81 51 63.0 585 3 1 133.4 Career 45 30–15 676 376 55.6 5,228 33 28 128.4 What point are you trying to make comparing QBs whose playing years are over a generation apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I don't like the Allen pick over Rosen but I'll have to convince myself it was the correct move.. I trust Beane and McD so we'll see. On the upside I'm hoping he turns into a more athletic Big Ben. On the downside Allen's ascent into the Top 10 reminds of Jake Locker (who i hated at the time)...and turns out my dumb opinion was more accurate than highly paid Tennessee Titans GM and scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, prissythecat said: What point are you trying to make comparing QBs whose playing years are over a generation apart? It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Here we go with comparing stats from today with the nearly 40 year old college stats again. Please make it stop. lol, like it correlates at all to today's NFL. Gullible Bills fans grasping at straws to not feel bad about the inevitable implosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Pulling out stats from the Carter/Reagan administrations and thinking it proves your point <<<<< Guess what? Completion percentage is calculated in the exact same way it was in the 1980s. Just in case you did not know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Guess what? Completion percentage is calculated in the exact same way it was in the 1980s. Just in case you did not know that. Football has changed 8 times since then genius. Try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 ROTFLMAO this does no such thing to releive by concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 well, there ya go. Case closed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 People need to see the evidence. Until then we are stuck hearing the complaining. The season won’t be able to get here fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: he strikes me as a kid who loves to put the work in. that's important Yeah, but there are only so many hours a day. I think it's a given that any QB you draft high is going to be a "good worker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: well, there ya go. Case closed! No where did he say "case closed" or even imply such a thing. As a matter of fact he said: "Some info to worry less" about his accuracy issues. That is in stark contrast to your overreaction to what he posted. He merely posted a data point which of course isn't all-encompassing but a data point none the less to show you that some QB's do indeed improve with their accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 And Dan Marino's. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Pitt 693 1204 57.6 8597 7.1 5.9 79 69 127.7 *1979 Pitt Ind QB 12 130 222 58.6 1680 7.6 6.6 10 9 128.9 *1980 Pitt Ind QB 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7 *1981 Pitt Ind QB 12 226 380 59.5 2876 7.6 6.8 37 23 143.1 *1982 Pitt Ind QB 12 221 378 58.5 2432 6.4 4.6 17 23 115.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I haven’t watched enough of him to know, so I’m genuinely asking, what kind of offends did they run at Wyoming? All the highlights I see are downfield throws (probably why they are highlights), do we know if there were a lot of underneath routes and screens in their game plan? Sometimes guys with high completion percentages are somewhat the product of scheme. Not saying that is the issue, but curious if it may factor in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 If he completes one more pass per game, he's a 60%+ passer. Somehow, I doubt that a difference of one pass completion per game is going to make or break him. That's not to say that he doesn't need to work on his accuracy, but that the completion percentage stuff is kind of overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Stats matter but they're NOT the end all be all. For accuracy, it's not only the completion %. It's the drops (which were very low so not good here), the OL protection, the quality of WRs, the schemes! If he played in dink and donk offense it better be high, but for bombs away offense it's another thing. IDK, so I can't even have an opinion, but I'm sure some of you guys do, and Beane and McD most likely - hopefully! My point is, maybe he is indeed inaccurate, but stats are not enough to make the case. Anyway, again, there's no rewind button, he is a Bills QB. Let's root for the guy to be great! It doesn't mean to not criticize the choice but damn, let Allen feel welcomed here at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: I'm cool with the Allen pick... I probably would have taken Rosen, but I also get why they took Allen instead. That said, people need to stop comparing his comp% to players from 2 generations ago. It does not help your case. Just go with, as Mayock said yesterday "projection over production", where you realize he had inferior talent and coaching and believe you're staff can mold him. He does have the highest ceiling of anybody in this class, but also the highest bust potential by a mile. There is no way to spin that horrendous comp % positively. It's bad, but hopefully he improves his fundamentals and becomes what they drafted him to be. Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Football has changed 8 times since then genius. Try to keep up. Really? So tell me, genius, how do they calculate completion percentage these days? I’m not the one having a problem keeping up here, am I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Really? So tell me, genius, how do they calculate completion percentage these days? I’m not the one having a problem keeping up here, am I This man is so dense light bends around him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 some of the particular posters on this forum who are upset by this pick give me great hope that the Bills got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. Don't the leading QBs in Today's NFL have a completion rate that is typically in the mid to high 60s? Kelly , Favre, and Marino had completion rates in sub 60s to low 60s during their NFL playing years. They didnt exactly have to improve much from their college days. Josh, on the other hand, would need to see a double digit increase in completion rate? Edited April 27, 2018 by prissythecat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good. Just WHEN has this staff had a chance to try and develop a QB? But, you know... Carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: This man is so dense light bends around him Answer his question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. So you're saying that Allen is a HOF'er??? Please pass the magic 8 ball. 3 hours ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said: lol, like it correlates at all to today's NFL. Gullible Bills fans grasping at straws to not feel bad about the inevitable implosion. Great point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Just WHEN has our team showed that we can develop a QB? Never! This is EJ and Cardale Jones all over again. Im also team Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. I just ran through a bunch more of Allens games on YouTube. Allen is just not good enough. Rosen is the chosen one and we messed up big time. This team sucks. The LBer pick was great. Allen is garbage tho. Were fcked. Better hope AJMc is good. When has the team committed to a top 10 QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Shotgunner said: I'm cool with the Allen pick... I probably would have taken Rosen, but I also get why they took Allen instead. That said, people need to stop comparing his comp% to players from 2 generations ago. It does not help your case. Just go with, as Mayock said yesterday "projection over production", where you realize he had inferior talent and coaching and believe you're staff can mold him. He does have the highest ceiling of anybody in this class, but also the highest bust potential by a mile. There is no way to spin that horrendous comp % positively. It's bad, but hopefully he improves his fundamentals and becomes what they drafted him to be. Shotgunner, I didn't know who you were before this post, and forgive me, I am probably going to forget you five minutes after I go to lunch. However, we for now have right now for now and right now...I love you. Thanks for the great, frank, and calming post, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Op still the worst with the headlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Brett Favre, Matthew Stafford, the whole completion % is just a metric, because he didn't throw 500 bubble screens to his halfback doesn't make him inaccurate. It's funny that most would have been thrilled with Darnold who had over 20+ turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, mannc said: It’s directly relevant. The Anti-Allen gang contends that (1) Sub-60% completion in college equals NFL failure, and (2) QBs with poor “accuracy” (as measured by completion percentage, apparently) can never improve. The Kelly and Favre college stats seem to directly contradict both points. The burden on is on you to show why those stats don’t mean anything. Just saying “they’re old” doesn’t cut it. What "they're old" means is that the game of football has changed. Rules have changed to favor passing. Guys like Kelly and Favre, etc., played in an era where you could destroy WRs. The average completion % of passers today is much high than the average from 20-30+ years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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