Charlottebillsfan2 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Good Signing and a major need of this team. At 28 years old I think he will regain his form and be a solid player on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: No. Kyle is washed up, he was very bad last year (Waits for someone to post PFF grades of Kyle Williams) Regardless of how good he was or wasn't, he was better than Adolphus Washington, who appears to stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Um, Vince Wilfork was the king at this. You sign these guys all the time to these deals. Vince Wilfork is (was) elite. Lutulelei has never even made the Pro Bowl. Which is really hard to do when you're a Top 15 draft pick. To even compare him to Wilfork is laughable. Edited March 13, 2018 by Wayne Arnold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: I actually believe this is quite possible. They might even look at the linebacker from Virginia Tech at number 12. All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing. But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Character player I’m sure with the Carolina boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, aristocrat said: lets hope they can get him back on track here. Well, that's my hope as well. He's been less than impressive the last year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 It seems to me as Carolina has added players around Lotulelei, like Vernon Butler, his stats have decline, which may be why his PFF score has consistently gone down. Much like when a MLB that may not be great gets 1,000 tackles because the players around him are not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Vince Wilfork is (was) elite. Lutulelei has never even made the Pro Bowl despite being a first-round draft pick. Which is really hard to do when you're a Top 15 draft pick. To even compare him to Wilfork is laughable. I never did, Just pointing out that space eaters are critical to teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) PFF stats and, more importantly, analytics have a role in the evaluation process. That being said, this is one where you trust the guy who drafted, knows and succeeded with him over multiple seasons. Edited March 13, 2018 by N.Y. Orangeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: They said the same thing about Dareus too! If Lotulelei comes in and does what Marcell Dareus did at half the price, I can live with that. there is no doubt he wont be half the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 At one report the money yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: I never did, Just pointing out that space eaters are critical to teams. Just because a guy takes up a lot of space doesn't make him a "space eater." It's a term people like to use when they can't explain why a fat guy can't make plays because he gets dominated at the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, Steptide said: Ya those jauron years were brutal. I do think though that making the playoffs this year has made a good impression on players around the league As nice as it is to sign UFAs and provide that instant gratification, none of Buffalo's major signings like Dockery/Walker (2007) and Mario/Anderson (2012) made a tremendous difference.It's building a team not individual positions. 35 minutes ago, scribo said: This is exactly the type of signing we should expect. A solid, reliable player who believes in the process. He could likely go elsewhere and shoot for much bigger stats. But he's willing to play his role and watch LBs rack up tackles. The Panthers picked up his fifth-year option, so they valued him when McD was running their D. The most encouraging thing here is that the coaches and GM who knows him best are ours. Very low risk. He's a NT in a 40 front. Those guys know they're not the types who'll garner stats and accolades. It's an unheralded position to begin withh. 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The "other reason" Sal says is because they desire to field a 4 man DL. Did Sal get hit in the head in camp last year? If the Bills fed him that take they are just f*cking with him at this point. Lotulelei is there to shore up the run.........he will have virtually no impact on the passing game...........you want a DT who can keep the QB from stepping up in the pocket get a DT who can collapse it and get in the backfield. Sal needs to dial back on the meds. I feel like someone is telling him to be Mr. Happy Homer all the time and it's wearing thin. Then again, maybe the millennial/fan boy types want that and surface level reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 player grades and stats can be skewed, especially when they relate to a game with as many moving parts as NFL football. Teams pay PFF for raw stats. i dont believe the teams pay for PFFs analysis of said stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just watched video of this guy. This is the kind of guy that middle linebackers dream of playing behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: We need stuffers, even if he just eats blocks routinely at 8-9 million a year, that's basically what Marcell Dareus did at 18-19 million a year. I think this correct. I saw something that said he was looking for four years at $40 million, so your 8-9 is a little low but in the ball park. By the way, buying these guys after a down year is smart. It keeps the price down a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing. But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?. Vander Esch is very similar in size to Luke, he is one inch taller and 5 pounds heavier. Luke ran a 4.58, Esch ran a 4.65. Esch had a better 3 cone, so perhaps that balances out a bit? The rest of their numbers are pretty similar. If the Bills are able to keep that pick at 22 I think he is very much in play. Luke was a lowly 2 star recruit that ended up at BC. VE was a walk on at Boise St. after only playing on an 8 vs. 8 high school football team. Edited March 13, 2018 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: It seems to me as Carolina has added players around Lotulelei, like Vernon Butler, his stats have decline, which may be why his PFF score has consistently gone down. Much like when a MLB that may not be great gets 1,000 tackles because the players around him are not very good. That's not how PFF works, they watch the game tape and try to grade each player on each play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Im in agreement with Wayne Arnold, not a fan of this mover unless it's super cheap which it won't be. PFF always loved Tyrod, wonder how Wayne feels about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Welcome to Buffalo Sta. I was hoping for this now we just need him to live up to expectations Now draft his brother in the 3rd Mr Beane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's possible that both of you have a point, which is that you guys are both on the extremes. On one side they totally discount PFF and then on your side, it's the determinant. It's a metric not the be all end all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 If it’s under 10 per, I’m good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing. But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?. Seems to me highly unlikely they are making these trades for a lb. They are going after qb. There is a rumor that Smith was medically red-flagged at the combine and could fall. You might be able to get him at 22. Perhaps I should clarify: 22 will be gone in a trade up, but if we wanted Smith, we might not have had to make moves in order to trade up to get him. Edited March 13, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Vince Wilfork is (was) elite. Lutulelei has never even made the Pro Bowl. Which is really hard to do when you're a Top 15 draft pick. To even compare him to Wilfork is laughable. Wayne, You specifically stated you don't give a run stuffer a 5 year contract. That was Wilfork. Marques Colston never made a pro bowl so that proves he wasn't a good WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 We don't have the LB's to take advantage of his skill set. I'm totally against signing interior DL to big contracts. Waiting to see the contract numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Just because a guy takes up a lot of space doesn't make him a "space eater." It's a term people like to use when they can't explain why a fat guy can't make plays because he gets dominated at the line of scrimmage. McDermott knows Star better than anyone. He wanted him and is an early signing for us. I'll trust McDermott and you can trust PFF and the fans who didn't vote for Star in the Pro Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Well, that's my hope as well. He's been less than impressive the last year or so. Butler could never pass star for starting so despite PFF's stats he was always starting for one of the best defenses in the league since he came in. Luke didn't have lineman getting into the second level because of star and luke racked up tackles. I think we will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Love the signing of a DT before the draft even starts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Many people complained about Dareus saying he didn't do anything and them complained about how bad they were after he left. Sometimes their importance isn't noticed through measurable personal stats like tackles and sacks I guarantee the deal they give Star will be better than we gave the Gravy Boat. 100 million for inconsistent effort from Dareus will be replaced with about a quarter of that with a Max effort guy. Beane replaced that ridiculous Whaley contract with a manageable one. This is what a good GM does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Just because a guy takes up a lot of space doesn't make him a "space eater." It's a term people like to use when they can't explain why a fat guy can't make plays because he gets dominated at the line of scrimmage. Eating up a double team/holding the line of scrimmage to create a defensive point of attack is critical to stopping the run or not allowing the QB to step up away from pressure Sorry you dont understand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I think this correct. I saw something that said he was looking for four years at $40 million, so your 8-9 is a little low but in the ball park. By the way, buying these guys after a down year is smart. It keeps the price down a bit. This also indicates that we are likely not drafting a DT and depending on how active we are in free agency, it may also further cement the idea that we are moving to 2-3 for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: That's not how PFF works, they watch the game tape and try to grade each player on each play. I believe they watch the broadcast view and not game tape. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Vander Esch is very similar in size to Luke, he is one inch taller and 5 pounds heavier. Luke ran a 4.58, Esch ran a 4.65. Esch had a better 3 cone, so perhaps that balances out a bit? The rest of their numbers are pretty similar. If the Bills are able to keep that pick at 22 I think he is very much in play. Kuechly is the smartest LB in the league right now and none of those measureables will measure a player's IQ. Don't know much about Esch but what makes Kuechly amazing is his ability to play one step ahead of everyone. Comparing the measureables like that is useless IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Two questions for the board: Anyone know the details of the contract? And does anyone know the ramifications to the compensatory drafts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, BeefCurtns said: I guarantee the deal they give Star will be better than we gave the Gravy Boat. 100 million for inconsistent effort from Dareus will be replaced with about a quarter of that with a Max effort guy. Beane replaced that ridiculous Whaley contract with a manageable one. This is what a good GM does. The Bills have more of a cap hit this year for Dareus than the jags do. Dareus did not need to be traded when he was. The only move i have disagreed with this regime on so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Probably not going to happen unless the Bills somehow keep #22 and he falls but could you imagine adding Vea to that line as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Are you autistic or something? Using autism to insult someone? Interesting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I'm a fan of building the line inside out. I remember the days of Ted Washington and Sam Adams. Get us some big dudes in the middle and make the run game against us tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Wayne, You specifically stated you don't give a run stuffer a 5 year contract. That was Wilfork. Marques Colston never made a pro bowl so that proves he wasn't a good WR. No, I said you don't give guys who are named "space eater" because they can't make plays five-year contracts. Star has been bad against the run the last two seasons. Maybe McDermott can revitalize his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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