st pete gogolak Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen any reports linking Jim Schwartz to any of the head coach vacancies. I think that's nuts. Guy did a great job as DC in Tennessee, did a respectable - not great - job as HC in Detroit, great job as DC with the Bills and great job as DC with the Eagles. At a minimum, you know you're going to get a really good defensive mind if you hire him. One of the Bills biggest mistakes in the last ten years (and God knows there have been enough of them) was not making Schwartz HC after Marrone bolted, or at least throwing a bunch of money at him to keep him as DC and hire an offensive minded head coach. Thanks, Terry!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 It's because he wasn't a very good HC. if I recall he had issues controlling his team discipline wise. He's one of those guys that is a good/great coordinator and a mediocre HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen any reports linking Jim Schwartz to any of the head coach vacancies. I think that's nuts. Guy did a great job as DC in Tennessee, did a respectable - not great - job as HC in Detroit, great job as DC with the Bills and great job as DC with the Eagles. At a minimum, you know you're going to get a really good defensive mind if you hire him. One of the Bills biggest mistakes in the last ten years (and God knows there have been enough of them) was not making Schwartz HC after Marrone bolted, or at least throwing a bunch of money at him to keep him as DC and hire an offensive minded head coach. Thanks, Terry!! 12 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I think this was Whaley's plan but was overruled and Ryan was hired instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 the job in Detroit wasn't "respectable"...it was a disaster. You've either got a short memory or an some other strange agenda. I'd imagine he'll start to get looks again, but the guys rolodex doesn't seem to be very deep either. Who's his OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The off season is here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Isn't Arizona still a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Gym Shorts should just stick to being a DC. he's obviously very good at it. i'm sure he wants another crack at HC though. someone will give him a shot eventually. he's too good of a DC not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 His tenure at Detroit wasn't a "disaster". He took an 0-16 (0-16!) team and had them in the playoffs in his third year. Oh yeah, a guy named Belichick was a "disaster" in his first HC job at Cleveland. All I'm saying is I'm surprised he is not a top tier candidate for one of the many HC openings in the league right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: His tenure at Detroit wasn't a "disaster". He took an 0-16 (0-16!) team and had them in the playoffs in his third year. Oh yeah, a guy named Belichick was a "disaster" in his first HC job at Cleveland. All I'm saying is I'm surprised he is not a top tier candidate for one of the many HC openings in the league right now. I love Schwartz, but just FYI, Bill did take Cleveland to the playoffs during his time there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I like him, does that count? 15 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I love Schwartz, but just FYI, Bill did take Cleveland to the playoffs during his time there. And Swartz did take the Lions to the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, mattynh said: I like him, does that count? And Swartz did take the Lions to the playoffs. I hear you. I was just making the point with BIll. Hey, hindsight doesn't even have to be 20/20...why he wasn't the choice to coach this team back in '15 I'll never know. EDIT: Matt, I meant to give you the thumbs up earlier, not the laugh. that was a click mistake. EDIT 2: wait, I did want to do the laugh as I liked that "I like him" comment. I wish we could give two! Edited January 22, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/20/schwartz-could-still-end-up-the-coach-in-arizona/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Think he is a bit of a hot head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, boco357 said: Think he is a bit of a hot head doesn't seem to hurt his defenses. 1 hour ago, nucci said: I think this was Whaley's plan but was overruled and Ryan was hired instead Hue Jackson was to be HC and Schwartz would have stayed. But Rex was too good to pass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Schwartz may be the next Dick LeBeau. Great DC, average HC. I think there are just "newer/shiner" toys in this years HC search bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Schwartz is a great D-Coordinator and it sucked that the Bills hired Sexy Rexy to be there Head Coach which force Schwartz out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 hours ago, klos63 said: doesn't seem to hurt his defenses. Hue Jackson was to be HC and Schwartz would have stayed. But Rex was too good to pass up. I wish that happened as we wouldn't have wasted two years on Rex. 2 hours ago, klos63 said: doesn't seem to hurt his defenses. Hue Jackson was to be HC and Schwartz would have stayed. But Rex was too good to pass up. I wish that happened as we wouldn't have wasted two years on Rex. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think he's kind of a blowhard but I won't lie, I'd have been ok with him taking over as our next HC when Dougie left. And that's how I felt THEN, even without the benefit of Rex Ryan hindsight... I totally get he may just be one of those good coordinator/bad HC guys, that may be 100% true. Still, I'd have been ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 hours ago, nucci said: I think this was Whaley's plan but was overruled and Ryan was hired instead Rumor was his choice with Hue Jackson as HC and Schwartz staying on as DC. Who knows what could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Rumor was his choice with Hue Jackson as HC and Schwartz staying on as DC. Who knows what could have been. I heard that as well...short term much better than Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Hue Jackson is a mediocre to poor head coach who has issues getting along with people. Glad he wasn't hired here. On the bright side, his record is 1-31 in 2 seasons as Browns head coach! On the negative side, he is trending downward, with that 1 win coming in season #1 there. He has won exactly 1 more game as a head coach than Dick Jauron over the past 2 seasons, and Jauron is retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Hue Jackson is a mediocre to poor head coach who has issues getting along with people. Glad he wasn't hired here. On the bright side, his record is 1-31 in 2 seasons as Browns head coach! On the negative side, he is trending downward, with that 1 win coming in season #1 there. He has won exactly 1 more game as a head coach than Dick Jauron over the past 2 seasons, and Jauron is retired. There former GM went with Money ball move. Huge mistake by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Hue carries himself like he's Belichick but has a 1-31 record there and a mediocre record as Raiders coach. He's a horrible HC with a massive ego. As someone who doesn't care about the Browns other than to criticize their horrific uniforms, it's funny to watch. There's a lot to like from an entertainment standpoint about a guy who refers to himself in the 3rd person and rants and raves about how he's a winner and his mere presence will bring greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think Schwartz will devise a game plan to thwart the Patriots offense only to be derailed by the Patriots loving officials!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yeah, I wanted to get an offensive-minded HC and keep Schwartz, but Hue Jackson would have been a disaster as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yeah, I wanted to get an offensive-minded HC and keep Schwartz, but Hue Jackson would have been a disaster as well. Browns went money ball move GM wanted. Heck most of all Browns coaches do horrible. Even the great Belichick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, the skycap said: I think Schwartz will devise a game plan to thwart the Patriots offense only to be derailed by the Patriots loving officials!! Here's the thing: Jacksonville: top 5 defense, mediocre to poor offense with Nate Hackett calling plays. Almost beat NE in NE. Gronk was in the game for 10 of the 24 points. Once he went out the Patriots scored more. Jax had an answer for him. Philadelphia: top 5 defense, AND top 10 offense (that is tied for #1 with NE for most PPG at 28.6, and that is with scoring 0 in week 17 when the starters sat) with the HC calling an innovative and ever evolving game. It won't be close. Philly by 10+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Here's the thing: Jacksonville: top 5 defense, mediocre to poor offense with Nate Hackett calling plays. Almost beat NE in NE. Gronk was in the game for 10 of the 24 points. Once he went out the Patriots scored more. Jax had an answer for him. Philadelphia: top 5 defense, AND top 10 offense (that is tied for #1 with NE for most PPG at 28.6, and that is with scoring 0 in week 17 when the starters sat) with the HC calling an innovative and ever evolving game. It won't be close. Philly by 10+ BEWARE THE ZEBRAS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 "if only Jacksonville had a top 10, really top 7 offense to go with their defense...." That's the Eagles. Plus better coaches on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Schwartz is a lot better than a number of the SOWG's (Same Ol' White Guys) out there. If Doug Maroon and Mike Mularkey got a second chance as an HC, then certainly Schwartz deserves one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think there is some wariness of Schwartz as a head coach dating from his less than stellar tenure at Detroit. I remember when Marrone quit, my hope was that the Bills would hire Hue Jackson and retain Jim Schwartz for the defense. I still think that might have been a successful combo, though anybody in Buffalo would have been limited by the QB situation. I don't think Jackson was at fault for the disaster that is Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I do bet he is dying to draw up the defensive game plan to beat the hoodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: His tenure at Detroit wasn't a "disaster". He took an 0-16 (0-16!) team and had them in the playoffs in his third year. Oh yeah, a guy named Belichick was a "disaster" in his first HC job at Cleveland. All I'm saying is I'm surprised he is not a top tier candidate for one of the many HC openings in the league right now. I'm with you. Stupid people think taking an 0-16 team to the playoffs in the third year means he's not a good head coach. Stupid people think this. He will be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Here's the thing: Jacksonville: top 5 defense, mediocre to poor offense with Nate Hackett calling plays. Almost beat NE in NE. Gronk was in the game for 10 of the 24 points. Once he went out the Patriots scored more. Jax had an answer for him. Philadelphia: top 5 defense, AND top 10 offense (that is tied for #1 with NE for most PPG at 28.6, and that is with scoring 0 in week 17 when the starters sat) with the HC calling an innovative and ever evolving game. It won't be close. Philly by 10+ All I can take away from this thread is that you're delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I was also surprised that we didn't hear anything about Schwartz being linked to any of the head coaching jobs, or even interviewing them (afaik anyway). He does have a bit of a reputation for having a very strong personality... (to say it nicely). I guess that could possibly play a part. I think it was mainly just the way things are trending with coaching hires. With the numerous first time rookie head coaches that have just recently come in and had real success I think we are seeing more teams going that direction. It can be a bit of a copycat league at times. Sean McVay, Doug Pederson, Sean McDermott, Dan Quinn, Anthony Lynn, Adam Gase (last year) and even Todd Bowles (2 years ago) + Kyle Shanahan (once he got a QB) all came in and had varying degrees of success. Lot of younger coaching hires recently too, and also guys with much less experience. We are seeing coaches hired that barely have any experience as a coordinator (2-3 years or less) and have only been coaching a total of 10 years or less. This is a bit of a change from years past. Things seem to be currently trending toward younger coaches with less experience. Especially this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) On 1/22/2018 at 10:44 AM, klos63 said: doesn't seem to hurt his defenses. Hue Jackson was to be HC and Schwartz would have stayed. But Rex was too good to pass up. Ha Ha good one. Just another way Whaley was ignored by the Bills. Edited January 23, 2018 by Wagon Circler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 10:44 AM, klos63 said: doesn't seem to hurt his defenses. Hue Jackson was to be HC and Schwartz would have stayed. But Rex was too good to pass up. This makes me ill whenever I think of it. The Bills would have been so much better off. Instead, the idiot blowhard out-of-control Rex show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I've mentioned this before but just think had we kept Schwartz as DC we essentially had him locked in for life. It's really hart to see him getting another head coaching gig after his failure in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: I've mentioned this before but just think had we kept Schwartz as DC we essentially had him locked in for life. It's really hart to see him getting another head coaching gig after his failure in Detroit. oh really? locked in for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 23 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Here's the thing: Jacksonville: top 5 defense, mediocre to poor offense with Nate Hackett calling plays. Almost beat NE in NE. Gronk was in the game for 10 of the 24 points. Once he went out the Patriots scored more. Jax had an answer for him. Philadelphia: top 5 defense, AND top 10 offense (that is tied for #1 with NE for most PPG at 28.6, and that is with scoring 0 in week 17 when the starters sat) with the HC calling an innovative and ever evolving game. It won't be close. Philly by 10+ Jacksonvilles offense was good. Like top 5 good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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