Dadonkadonk Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) When do we go from it is too soon to this guy just can't catch? He was dropping that sideline pass even before the defender started to make a play on the ball. If I'm TT and Dennison I call a WR screen on the first series to get his head in the game. Edited December 18, 2017 by Dadonkadonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 He's not very good. WRs have had slow starts and ended up good players, but he's shown very little to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 In my humble opinion, if he has the same type of stats in the first 6 games next year, cut your losses. These guys are a dime a dozen...Look at Britt. He signed with Pats and he sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 My buddy and i had a clear view of the one you're talking about. Defender did a phenominal job. Had his hand on Zay's arm the whole way, just enough not to warrant a flag, then jarred it away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: My buddy and i had a clear view of the one you're talking about. Defender did a phenominal job. Had his hand on Zay's arm the whole way, just enough not to warrant a flag, then jarred it away. I don’t know why the annocuers got all over him. That wasn’t a drop, the defender knocked it out of his hands after he caught it. Also, you just don’t drop a second round wide receiver. He is on a cheap rookie contract. You may not resign in, but you let his contract play out. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 He needs to learn how to be more physical and to go and get the ball. You have to have the mentality that "that's my ball" and go up and snag it at it's highest point. He's much bigger than the corners so why is he getting out physicalled and waiting for the ball to fall in his hands instead of going up and grabbing it? He's playing like a scared little kid against men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, KW95 said: In my humble opinion, if he has the same type of stats in the first 6 games next year, cut your losses. These guys are a dime a dozen...Look at Britt. He signed with Pats and he sucks He has been drawing the oppositions top coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, BUNCH OF MULARKEY said: He has been drawing the oppositions top coverage 25 catches in 60 attempts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 31 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: When do we go from it is too soon to this guy just can't catch? He was dropping that sideline pass even before the defender started to make a play on the ball. If I'm TT and Dennison I call a WR screen on the first series to get his head in the game. He only has a couple what they label as DROPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 He needs to put some work in the weight room this year so he can be more physical and come down with the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Hes a rookie wr Its one of the hardest if not the hardest transition from college at his position... I personally think he will be great Chill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Good defensive play, Zay will be fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, KW95 said: 25 catches in 60 attempts With many attempts being crappy throws If you all want to call that a drop today, fine it was no easy catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 34 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: When do we go from it is too soon to this guy just can't catch? He was dropping that sideline pass even before the defender started to make a play on the ball. If I'm TT and Dennison I call a WR screen on the first series to get his head in the game. He had great hands in college, hopefully returns to form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 He has the worst percentage in the league>. Im willing to keep him next year but if midway the season he has the same stats, get rid of him. Again, the worst percentage in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, KW95 said: Im willing to keep him next year but if midway the season he has the same stats, get rid of him. So you're a decision maker. Impressive! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He only has a couple what they label as DROPS He has 10 drops. Highest in the NFL. More than a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: He has 10 drops. Highest in the NFL. More than a couple. Link sure isnt this one https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2017&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=11&qualified=1&sortOrder=0 crickets crickets Edited December 18, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 That deep pass on the sideline looked like a drop but it was a very good defensive play. I suspect he will work hard in the off season and get a lot better. I recall people thought that Eric Moulds was not very good either. Too early to say, he needs more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 The DB definitely knocked it loose. You could argue whether Zay should have high-pointed the ball to prevent the DB making a play on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Should we trade for josh gordon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) How long has Clay been in the NFL? He drops at least 2 balls every game. Zay will be fine. Edited December 18, 2017 by MikeSpeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: Should we trade for josh gordon yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Next year, he'll be our best receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackington Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, Doc said: The DB definitely knocked it loose. You could argue whether Zay should have high-pointed the ball to prevent the DB making a play on it. Zay was dropping it before the defender did anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Zay Jones is going to be good. He looks the part to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: How long has Clay been in the NFL? He drops at least 2 balls every game. Zay will be fine. Nah Clay doesnt have alot of drops either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said: When do we go from it is too soon to this guy just can't catch? He was dropping that sideline pass even before the defender started to make a play on the ball. If I'm TT and Dennison I call a WR screen on the first series to get his head in the game. I think the answer varies between those that saw him catch hundreds of balls vs those that only saw pro drops. thats not to say he has a free pass but I suspect that how wide the leeway is on a transition into the league varies with how familiar you are with the guy at his best, not just his worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Rookie 2nd round pick. Tough catch that could of been made but the defender made a nice break up. Let’s see how Zay looks next year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, KW95 said: 25 catches in 60 attempts almost worst in NFL. If Tyrod had never thrown to him all year and threw at anybody else, Tyrod likely in Pro Bowl.....yeah it is that bad. 1 hour ago, KW95 said: He has the worst percentage in the league>. Im willing to keep him next year but if midway the season he has the same stats, get rid of him. Again, the worst percentage in the league. If he was not drafted by McDerma he likely does not survive next year unless he shows he can catch. Another of a long list of stupid trade ups by Bills. Edited December 18, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: He needs to learn how to be more physical and to go and get the ball. You have to have the mentality that "that's my ball" and go up and snag it at it's highest point. He's much bigger than the corners so why is he getting out physicalled and waiting for the ball to fall in his hands instead of going up and grabbing it? He's playing like a scared little kid against men Probably needs to work on putting on weight and muscle in the off-season. Likely a little different than playing against defenders in C-USA There have been drops by Zay particually early this season, but faulting him for dropping that one is crazy. That would have been a hell of a catch if he'd made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Watch it again. Zay was dropping it before the defender made a play. Really disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 an analyst ' i think is was Romo and i could be wrong, say that the defender put his hand on Zay's arm early in the play . not enough to cause a penalty and then when the ball arrived , jerked his arm, the analyst said that it is a rookie error in that when Say felt the hand on his arm he should have acted to it and put his arm down and the official would have to call P.I. On 12/16/2017 at 4:47 PM, vorpma said: I tell you what gullible is, thinking the Bills were going to be a serious playoff contender with Watkins, Darby, Darius or any other fan favorite that we dumped this year! 3 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: My buddy and i had a clear view of the one you're talking about. Defender did a phenominal job. Had his hand on Zay's arm the whole way, just enough not to warrant a flag, then jarred it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 So far he’s just another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I believe that Zay will be a good WR in the future, most of the number one's in this years draft are not doing much either. it is a symptom of young WR's adapting to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 bills moved up in draft to take zay. traded their 44th (2nd) & 91st (3rd) for the rams 37th (2nd) & 149th (5th) Pit took juju smith shuster at 62 (2nd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, papazoid said: bills moved up in draft to take zay. traded their 44th (2nd) & 91st (3rd) for the rams 37th (2nd) & 149th (5th) Pit took juju smith shuster at 62 (2nd) Juju has come on but the staff does not like young players and he is young even for a rookie. Oh well. Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross were all taken in the top 10 and have produced less, even with injuries considered. Zay will work through the issues he's had I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, SWATeam said: Zay Jones is going to be good. He looks the part to me. He looks the part how? Stuff like this just passes as knowledgeable but someone throws out something that actually supports their point and they get dismissed. He's caught 25 of 60 targets, and that's not all on him, but he is responsible for that too. He doesn't at all look the part other than he's an athletic guy, and his level of athleticism is a dime a dozen, it's not hard to find at all. Marquise Goodwin is looking like a world beater compared to him. That's a guy with athleticism that separates him from most other prospects. And Tyrod hasn't been good, but Marquise was performing before the trade for Jimmy G. He was playing good with QB's on Tyrod's level. Only two things can really be used to separate the two, the player himself, or the coaching. That's the real place where blame needs to be laid and most of you on here won't want anything to do with blaming either for Zay's struggles. Edited December 18, 2017 by Ol Dirty B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, Big C said: Juju has come on but the staff does not like young players and he is young even for a rookie. Oh well. Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross were all taken in the top 10 and have produced less, even with injuries considered. Zay will work through the issues he's had I think. I'm not blaming you but that is ridiculous. The staff doesn't like young players... So most legit first round talent they don't like because they are good enough to come out and get paid before using up all NCAA eligibility. It's like these guys don't like or want talent. It worries me that this kind of attitude may be prevalent in the decision making circles. Love Kyle Williams, love Freddie... But I'll take talent all day every day over guys who work their asses off. I hate that stupid blue collar bs so many people eat up. Sorry to go on a rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not blaming you but that is ridiculous. The staff doesn't like young players... So most legit first round talent they don't like because they are good enough to come out and get paid before using up all NCAA eligibility. It's like these guys don't like or want talent. It worries me that this kind of attitude may be prevalent in the decision making circles. Love Kyle Williams, love Freddie... But I'll take talent all day every day over guys who work their asses off. I hate that stupid blue collar bs so many people eat up. Sorry to go on a rant. All good. It is just clear that they want players with plenty of college experience and maturity. And frankly it isn't looking that bad so far. White, Dawkins and Milano are all contributing and we shouldn't give up on Zay too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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