Fadingpain Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? Focus all resources on getting the QB first, b/c without him, the OL doesn't matter. Once you have a pretty good idea that you have the right QB, I would expend resources that directly help the QB. That means OL, WR, Gronk type huge TE if you can find one. I woud NOT expend resources, first, on something far removed from the QB position, like DT for example. The QB and the important pieces directly related to his performance are what counts! If you have that, you will remain in and win a lot of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 To go back to the initial conversation why aren’t all of these things done simultaneously? The Bills will be using draft assets to get a QB early. They have a ton of cap space and still have a handful more draft picks. There will be a bunch of areas addressed this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 I mean what would you address first? I know it can all be done in the same draft and or offseason. Do you draft a QB first? or draft an elite OL first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Franchise QB > OL > Starting QB. So it depends. If it's a franchise QB get him at all cost. If it's a first round QB who needs to be developed over two or three years, take the OL. Edited December 6, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, kevnallen said: If you see a franchise QB, grab him. Franchise QBs are very hard to find. If the QB isn’t likely a franchise play, go with the best player available I would modify this statement: If you see a franchise QB, grab him. Franchise QBs are very hard to find. If the QB isn’t likely a franchise play, go with the best player available if it fills a need, if best player available does not fill a need, trade down and compile more picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 10 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I mean what would you address first? I know it can all be done in the same draft and or offseason. Do you draft a QB first? or draft an elite OL first? I would put the odds of QB right near 100%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Pbomb said: Both are important and we can fix both this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 We have lots of picks to spend to move up. Most of the teams looking to draft ahead of us may not need a QB and will be looking to trade down. I say spend both 1's and a 2nd on a top 5 draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Offensive line - no doubt in my mind. Richie isn't getting any younger and I think a lot of people forget that. Without at least a solid offensive line, even a great QB will look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 A QB is the most important player on any team. The GM and Coach know that this is what will keep them around for 4-10 years. The ONLY teams to make the playoffs and sniff the championship games have quality QBs. The fact is that teams draft 2-3 very good offensive linemen, but the good ones also grab late round players and coach them up. Coaching, scheme and coachable players are the key. Note: TE is not mentioned in this, because of Clay's contract, but it is the in the top 5 most important positions for a QB (LT, RB, TE, C and WR). WR last, because it is the threat of a run game and the "check down"/"mismatch" players that help a QB have time to go through progressions and learn a system properly. I would trade 2x first picks and a 3rd to get my guy and use the 2x second round picks on 2 potential starters at any position. Are offensive line is close to being fixed. RG/RT is key (note: we have Groy as back up for 3 positions). IF and a huge maybe, if Glen can get healthy and play RT, then a guard would be a great addition. Note: Wood and/or Glen need to go soon to save cap. The unfortunate thing is that this philosophy puts us another 2 years away from a great team. We need to shed cap and replace most of the defense over time. Look at the players closely (age, average players, free agents). Offensively, we need receivers. Look at what Goff and Wentz has. 2018 Draft Round #1 QB (Leader, Pocket Awareness, Blue Chip), Round #2 G (power blocker), Round #2 WR (deep threat), Round #4 RB (strong class), 5-7 DT, LB, CB - protect the passer and add weapons for growth - own the time clock and play field position battles Free Agents: 1-3 defensive starters (1 at each level) Note: If we stay put and take a QB (Mayfield), then I believe that we can be more competitive in 2018. I am not comfortable with that at this point, but not opposed. 2019 Draft DEFENSE and more DEFENSE!!! Fill the holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Use both 1st round picks and trade for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a 5th pick this year and a pick next year for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a second round pick for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks, a second and a pick next year for a QB. If that doesn't work trade both 1st round picks and a 1st round pick next yea for a QB. GET THE POINT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Logic states that an elite OL and mediocre QB can have a dominant run game and thus win games. but a mediocre line and elite QB will not end well for the team and ultimately your elite QB will get killed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Well if your rookie QB you traded up for gets carted off the field after taking a serious pounding you may have an answer. I'd fix the O-line first. No QB drafted is gonna get settled in and find a rythm behind a Swiss cheese line. If QB is the most important position on the field you would think you would want to invest heavy into protecting him. Especially if it's a rookie looking to find his stride. Edited December 6, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Speaking of the OL, does anyone have any facts about Groy? What's up with him not hardly playing at all? You would think they would of tested him a little more. I thought he played well last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? If you think you have a shot at a real qb, the answer to nearly any nfl question is take the qb and sort the rest out later. when you start talking fix the OL or take a flyer on a long shot qb that obviously changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Get our quarterback if he's available somehow. If not, don't trade up for lesser talent, we could have offensive line in one draft if the talent is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? that's a good question. IMO for this team anyways, I'd get the QB 1st. Whether it be a high draft pick or someone like maybe a Kirk Cousins. Either way this Oline has had it's flaws, but I think they have some guys that are pretty good. Maybe just a "tune up" would be needed. The rookie Dawkins is showing good promise so if we could get the right side of the line fixed with a couple key guys any QB should be "okay". Every Oline is going to get beaten from time to time. Even the best in the NFL, but it's time for this franchise in particular to get their QB, whomever it be and piece together the rest from there. Edited December 6, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) QB is by far the most important position on the team and OL talent is sparce. I say QB first, definitely. Just don't trade off Taylor for Cousins because that would be pointless. If you can't sign or draft someone that is or you believe strongly will soon be a top tier QB, you might as well keep Taylor or go with Peterman if you think he can be a stop gap or better. Cousins is better, but not all that much. We need to shoot for the stars. After all, there are 31 other teams after that Lombardi trophy. If you want to get to the top, you can't be aimed at the middle. I know you can't have probowlers at every position, but having one of the best at QB is a huge competitive advantage. Edited December 7, 2017 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Quarterback, if the talent level around him sucks, sign a veteran QB in FA while we redshirt the rookie. Bradford, Keenum or Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QB. That is all. OL should be the #2 priority. You can pick up good Olinemen in FA, you can't pick up a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Take a good QB if there is a way you can get one. Make it happen somehow , some way. Don't get too hung up on the " order" of acquiring players. The OL isn't terrible. They need a good G or two. Provided they keep Glenn and put Dawkins at RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The Bills are 100% drafting a QB this year. They're going to get rid of Tyrod, sign a cheap vet, and hang on to Peterman as a long term backup. They'll fix the rest of the team over the next 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Get your quarterback Protect your quarterback Get to the other teams quarterback 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I can't believe anyone is saying, thinking or believing our OL is pretty good. We have one maybe two serviceable OLman. Mills and our RG whether it is Vlad or Miller are beyond bad. Wood is bottom half at C. I like RI but he's not played as well this year. Dawkins seems to be the real deal and Glenn has been good in the past, but must really be hurting to miss so much time. So draft one of the top 4-5 QBs in this draft and pray they live through the evolution of the OL. What happened to Peterman in SD was a travesty. His mistake was trying to make something happen with zero chance of success. After we get the QB, go heavy on OL and DL please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Get your quarterback Protect your quarterback Get to the other teams quarterback This! All three of these needs should be addressed in this year's Draft and all three can be with the number of early round picks the Bills have. The only thing that will screw this up is when the Front Office gets cute and starts trading up to get 'their' guy. History has already taught us that drafting accuracy is not all that good for any team...especially the Buffalo Bills. If you Trust the Process during the season, you also have to the Trust the Process in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 9 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Some people say you need to have a good OL in order for a QB to be successful. Some say a good QB makes the OL look better. What do you all think is more important? OC and then OL Coaching. O Line needs work and I would truly like that bolstered. Richie and Wood are nearly done. Ducasse and Mills are not really starters. Glenn is a question. Groy good. Dawkins good, Hendy has some value still so much work to do. and then it WRs. and then its Lbs and then its D line and then depth in the secondary. oh and another TE or two that said Draft the QB 18 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Get your quarterback Protect your quarterback Get to the other teams quarterback Hired ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 ..............and then come draft day we go Safety, Tight End and Fullback and we all have a stroke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: ..............and then come draft day we go Safety, Tight End and Fullback and we all have a stroke! You forgot that old Bills classic....Cornerback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You forgot that old Bills classic....Cornerback! LOL Draft a Safety and make him a Cornerback. Draft a Cornerback and make him a Safety. Do I got this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL Draft a Safety and make him a Cornerback. Draft a Cornerback and make him a Safety. Do I got this right? Those are ALL right....but you have to remember to leave yourself a calendar note to trade them away in Year Three of their rookie contract.......done! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 All need to be addressed and the McBeane braintrust has the collateral to he the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bangarang said: The only answer here is QB. Uh, no. There are a boatload of free agents out there, the draft and trade options. You work on QB, OL, WR, TE, RB, DL, LB and secondary. Not one of these positions will have all the same starters or depth next year. Not one. Edited December 7, 2017 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Both, OT OG QB WR DT pure 4-3 ILB are the top 5 needs and very obtainable in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Glenn at RT and Dawkins at LT improves the line greatly. Get a Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 If you can get the QB, no doubt you do that. THEN you build BOTH lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL Draft a Safety and make him a Cornerback. Draft a Cornerback and make him a Safety. Do I got this right? you forgot Sign a RB that plays QB. wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 If we were starting from scratch, I'd say o-line every time. We actually have a decent o-line with depth, so QB all the way in our situation. I'd prefer a vet QB with a high pick understudy though. Maybe Alex Smith, and Josh Allen? Josh Allen seems to be more like Cam Newton with his size and athleticism, and I doubt we would have to trade up too far to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13player Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just wondering everyone's thoughts on this, we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and both our lines are in trouble. Drafting a QB and putting him behind a sub par O line is going to amount in a bust in my opinion. would we not be better off drafting a RT and trying to get rid of Glenn in a Trade? We should be looking at RT, And a LG to replace Richie as well as a Tackle to replace Kyle Maybe 2 tackles we also need another pass rusher, i like Shaq, he can set the edge but he did struggle a bit the last couple of games but If we cant keep the QB off the ground and safe its a wasted pick. I am not even sure Petterman cant be the guy with a line in front of him, he does have a strong enough arm, a fast release, decent runner, i bet he is a different QB with a Line in front of him. I just think the days of letting your #1 pick if a qb have a season to develop, if P. Manning came out today, he may never have played past the 3rd or 4th game, never mine a whole season. If i was drafting i would be looking at draft players in expensive positions like LT, RT, DT, Pass Rusher, QB and corners most they other positions we need like RG, LG and LB we can get deals on, I just dont think we have a strong enough line to draft a QB and expect a result. If we do this and let Petterman play a season he is either a different QB behind a good line or a bust in which case hopefully we can draft a qb in 19 with a great Oline, just look at Philly and Dallas two extremes, a first rounder and a 4th rounder bit both teams have great lines so go ahead and rip me a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 QB, but in our case, better hope that he's very durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 hours ago, Lfod said: Well if your rookie QB you traded up for gets carted off the field after taking a serious pounding you may have an answer. I'd fix the O-line first. No QB drafted is gonna get settled in and find a rythm behind a Swiss cheese line. If QB is the most important position on the field you would think you would want to invest heavy into protecting him. Especially if it's a rookie looking to find his stride. Same plan Buffalo used for 17 years. Great plan. If the QB can read a defense and has a quick release O line does not have to work that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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