Tyrod to start vs Chiefs

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Maybe the upshot if all this will be that Tyrod  will start slinging it and see what happens.   He should be ecouraged to pass for 300 and a 1/1 TD/int ratio instead of 179 and a 4/1 ratio. Then, this benching experiment will have had some value. 

this is sarcasm, right?

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Lost the team? Why don't they show some pride and actually do their jobs?

 

Team is just mentaly weak and that starts with KW as much as it pains me to say.  As soon as things start turning south people panic and freak out, like they have the last 10 years, unfortunately KW has been a big part of that

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Anyone else think that Taylor seemed to have a little fire lit underneath him when he came in to replace Peterman? Felt like I saw some extra zip on a couple throws. 

Ya I noticed that

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Does anyone here have any confidence that McDermott knows what he is doing?

 

Can someone please articulate the plan?

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Tryrod needs to understand WHY he was benched, AND correct his game.  I hope he gets it.

 

I wouldn't bet a dollar on it. Tyrod plays how he wants.   

[LA Grant]

Guess it took 72 hours of reviewing game footage to see... oh, yeah, huh, I guess Peterman DID throw five picks in one half.

 

On Friday, they're going to announce the sky is blue.

[YoloinOhio]

 

The change last week actually did make some sense even if some people disagreed. Circumstances are much different now than they were then. They thought he was ready based on the info they had at the time. With the info they have now, they realize he was not. To stick with him against the Chiefs would be stubborn just to try to prove something. 

[jkirchofer]

Makes me lose confidence in McDermott moving forward. I want a head coach that will stick with a decision. This season is already done with, spend the time evaluating instead of allowing Taylor to audition for other teams.

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Maybe the upshot if all this will be that Tyrod  will start slinging it and see what happens.   He should be ecouraged to pass for 300 and a 1/1 TD/int ratio instead of 179 and a 4/1 ratio. Then, this benching experiment will have had some value. 

1-1 no but easily 2-1 would be Ideal.  He has the tools and talent to make the plays but for whatever reason he isnt/ wasnt pulling the trigger.  

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

The change last week actually did make some sense even if some people disagreed. Circumstances are much different now than they were then. They thought he was ready based on the info they had at the time. With the info they have now, they realize he was not. To stick with him against the Chiefs would be stubborn just to try to prove something. 

 

Don't we need to question their ability to collect and analyze info about their own team?  Does this not suggest that they may also be wrong about who should be starting on the right side of the line, among other positions?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

I wouldn't bet a dollar on it. Tyrod plays how he wants.   

dennison has made sure this isn't the case.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, LA Grant said:

Guess it took 72 hours of reviewing game footage to see... oh, yeah, huh, I guess Peterman DID throw five picks in one half.

 

On Friday, they're going to announce the sky is blue.

 

Friday's forecast for Orchard Park is actually partly cloudy.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Imo neither of these QBs give the Bills a good chance to win given the state of the rest of the team, and the schedule ahead the next 2 weeks. But throwing NP to the wolves in Arrowhead after what happened last week isn’t prudent for anyone. 

Ya it doesn't really matter if it is TT or Peterman starting.

 

Unless they get about 3 new o lineman, a new offensive coordinator, and 6 new players on their front 7 on defence, it honestly does not matter who starts at QB for the Bills 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, matter2003 said:

 

Team is just mentaly weak and that starts with KW as much as it pains me to say.  As soon as things start turning south people panic and freak out, like they have the last 10 years, unfortunately KW has been a big part of that

This team was already pooping the bed before McDermott made the switch. Instead of self pity or butthurt they need to look at how they have been playing. They should feel shame.

[Watkins90]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed.

 

Never understood the decision to begin with, considering the defense the real issue.

I honestly don't think the defense is that big of an issue. We have had success on defense in the first half, we have been getting blown out in the second half. You know why we get blown out in the second half? It is because our offense can't sustain drives to give our defense a rest, nor is it putting points on the board. When your down 30-3 midway through the third guys tend to just give up and want to stay healthy for another week. Had our offense done things against the Jets, Saints, and Chargers, I don't think you see our defense get gashed like it did. 

 

That's why I hate it when I hear people say, 'Well, Tyrod didn't give up 47 points, he didn't give up 6 rushing touchdowns.' Well, yeah he may not have been on the field, but his play was a big contributing factor. His inability to move the offense and go 3-and-out so much led to those things. 

[PIZ]

8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Out of curiosity, isn't the best way to show him that by giving him another start?  That being said, I hope Tyrod takes this like Alex Smith does (with Mahomes waiting in the wings) and starts being a bit less conservative and looking down field more.

 

I took that as meaning Peterman would have started against KC, but he is just not mentally ready, because he is shellshocked after the Chargers game. 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, jkirchofer said:

Makes me lose confidence in McDermott moving forward. I want a head coach that will stick with a decision. This season is already done with, spend the time evaluating instead of allowing Taylor to audition for other teams.

I want a head coach to realize he made a mistake and is strong enough to correct it, despite the criticism.

[McBean]

This team is going to do the unthinkable...

 

Finish 7-9.

[hondo in seattle]

I get that 1/2 of a game is not a fair audition for Peterman nor enough time for him to develop his game skills.

 

But I just don't see how McD can go to his players and tell them Peterman is starting this week after throwing 5 picks in one half when the other QB has a winning record.  

 

Would McD "lose" the team?  I don't know.  But it would sure feel like McD is giving up on this season and starting to think of next season already.  If he does that, the players will too.

[Watkins90]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Oh my god. Not again. Please.

Care to refute that Tyrod is as much to blame for a poor defensive performance as the actual defense. I think it is. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Don't we need to question their ability to collect and analyze info about their own team?  Does this not suggest that they may also be wrong about who should be starting on the right side of the line, among other positions?

Perhaps, but all they had to go on was his practice, preseason and regular season mop up time vs scrubs. Bullets got faster when you start a regular season game. He made a bold decision and he was wrong that he was ready for that. But it’s not like he benched Aaron Rodgers. He dared to try and be better. It didn’t work. I’m not mad. I don’t know if they win that game with TT. I’d bet against it based on what I’ve seen.

Edited November 22, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Bills757]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Lost the team? Why don't they show some pride and actually do their jobs?

 

When you play team sports, you preach certain things.  McD is famous for talking about playing the players that will give the team the best chance to win.  When that mantra is drilled into the players' heads and then you pull what he just pulled, you lose the confidence of the team.  Losing your players' confidence is a hard thing to overcome as a coach.  It's not as if Peterman is close to being able to lead this team and Taylor isn't.  When a player turns the ball over five times in a half, it's frustrating to the offense and the defense can't be happy defending short fields.  I could go on and on but I won't.  Suffice it to say, Taylor is a leader on the team and has the respect of his teammates.  When said leader is being treated unfairly it makes sense that the other players will support their teammate.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

I want a head coach to realize he made a mistake and is strong enough to correct it, despite the criticism.

Agreed. I will admit I am not a McDermott fan at all, but I'll give him credit for realizing he made a mistake by going back to TT

[Rad Likes The Bills]

9 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Maybe the upshot if all this will be that Tyrod  will start slinging it and see what happens.   He should be ecouraged to pass for 300 and a 1/1 TD/int ratio instead of 179 and a 4/1 ratio. Then, this benching experiment will have had some value. 

why does he need to do that? i will gladly take 4 touchdowns to one interception and 179 yards... that's called efficiency  

[Albwan]

YAY WERE BACK IN THE HUNT!

/sarcasm off

Now we only lose by 20

Edited November 22, 2017 by Albwan

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

I honestly don't think the defense is that big of an issue. We have had success on defense in the first half, we have been getting blown out in the second half. You know why we get blown out in the second half? It is because our offense can't sustain drives to give our defense a rest, nor is it putting points on the board. When your down 30-3 midway through the third guys tend to just give up and want to stay healthy for another week. Had our offense done things against the Jets, Saints, and Chargers, I don't think you see our defense get gashed like it did. 

 

That's why I hate it when I hear people say, 'Well, Tyrod didn't give up 47 points, he didn't give up 6 rushing touchdowns.' Well, yeah he may not have been on the field, but his play was a big contributing factor. His inability to move the offense and go 3-and-out so much led to those things. 

That might make some sense if they werwnt giving up points in the first half too. Sure the offense goes three and out. That could be negated if the defense got off the field on third down instead of drives that go all the way downfield. 

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

Care to refute that Tyrod is as much to blame for a poor defensive performance as the actual defense. I think it is. 

1 punt in 2 games forced by our defence.

 

We talk about the offence going 3 and out a lot and rightfully so. But how many 3 and outs by our defence the past 3 games?

 

You want to get off the field? Stop them. Doesn't just go one way

Edited November 22, 2017 by billsfan11

[Like A Mofo]

Clapping Sean is nothing more then an Andrew Walter Reid clone and a worse version.

[zow2]

For anyone to come on this board and suggest McD is stupid for going back to Tyrod or "has no balls" is ridiculous.....that is so disingenuous.   If McD came back and started Peterman at Arrowhead this week he should be fired on the spot.  No NFL coach, GM or owner would ever sign off on putting back in a rookie with zero body of work after that disaster.  It would be career suicide.

 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

It's an incredibly stupid argument that has been proven ridiculous time and time again. 

 

The He defense has sucked! Independent of the offense. Just stop. 

 

Except the part where the defense carried the team to a 5-2 record ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

 

[dpberr]

I don't see it as a weak move by McDermott.   In fact, it's a good sign.  

 

I'm relieved that he didn't start Peterman out of some demonstration of will or "trust" in the process but instead, made a decision based on facts to win a football game.  

 

Fact:  Peterman was terrible, regardless if he "fits" what "their" offense is looking for in a QB.  

Fact:  Taylor was better, regardless if he doesn't "fit" what "their" offense is looking for in a QB.  

 

I don't fault anybody who wanted a QB change.  At the time Peterman was a relative unknown quantity.  Nobody knew for sure how he'd do starting a game against the opposition's A team talent.

 

Now we know.  No need to have another grenade go off in an enclosed space. 

 

I just wish he'd do the same for the problems that plague the OL - and make some changes there.

 

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Don't we need to question their ability to collect and analyze info about their own team?  Does this not suggest that they may also be wrong about who should be starting on the right side of the line, among other positions?

Yes.  I believe Dennison will be the fall guy at the end of the year for that and the overall wreck the offense has turned into.  

[CountDorkula]

So when the Bills lose the next two weeks, do we go back to Peterman?

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Perhaps, but all they had to go on was his practice, preseason and regular season mop up time vs scrubs. Bullets got faster when you start a regular season game. He made a bold decision and he was wrong that he was ready for that. But it’s not like he benched Aaron Rodgers. He dared to try and be better. It didn’t work. I’m not mad. I don’t know if they win that game with TT. I’d bet against it based on what I’ve seen.

 

I agree with you there - TT wouldn't have fared any better given that the line can't block.  But he might not have lost the lockerroom and again, I'm concerned about their overall player evaluation skills.  How does Ducasse look against the live bullets?

[Like A Mofo]

When oh when will this fan base stop blaming the OC and realize the issue is with the QB? The Bills can try 13232332 OC's with the QB's we have had: Same results. NOTHING will change.

[YesPlayoffs]

2 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

I honestly don't think the defense is that big of an issue. We have had success on defense in the first half, we have been getting blown out in the second half.

 

Other than a missed field goal, the Chargers scored on every single first half drive last week.  The week before, the only thing that stopped the Saints from scoring on every single first half drive was a fumble and an end-of-the half kneeldown.  Against the Jets, yes they scored 24 in the second half, but that was after a first half where TOP was close to 50/50 in the first half and we only had one three and out.  I don't think your hypothesis holds any weight.  The defense is just bad...it really hasn't had anything to do with the offense the last three weeks.

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, Bills757 said:

 

When you play team sports, you preach certain things.  McD is famous for talking about playing the players that will give the team the best chance to win.  When that mantra is drilled into the players' heads and then you pull what he just pulled, you lose the confidence of the team.  Losing your players' confidence is a hard thing to overcome as a coach.  It's not as if Peterman is close to being able to lead this team and Taylor isn't.  When a player turns the ball over five times in a half, it's frustrating to the offense and the defense can't be happy defending short fields.  I could go on and on but I won't.  Suffice it to say, Taylor is a leader on the team and has the respect of his teammates.  When said leader is being treated unfairly it makes sense that the other players will support their teammate.

Except most of those turnovers were do to sloppy play by the other ten players. Like I said, they played like crap two weeks before the change. If they didn't like it they should have played better.

[bigK14094]

Of course, this was the only realistic choice.  He has the authority to start Peterman......but, can't handle it with the team or the fans. (the front office would be supportive, however)

We will see Petermann again, though, when the Bills are out of it.  And, don't worry about TT, if the Bills don't want him, he will get an 8 figure contract from somebody...Denver, San Diego, whoever........

[JPP]

15 minutes ago, McBean said:

We lose to KC Sunday you start Peterman rest of the way.

 

McDermott did this just to satisfy the vets.

 

 

No i think the 5 interceptions and dropped fumble in 30 min of football plus a rookie with deer staring in the headlights syndrome kinda did it...the kid is not ready obviously....not his fault...i blame the coaches for this utter stupidity....

[CountDorkula]

Am i still allow to yell at Taylor for checking down to Tolbert on third and long?