Wayne Arnold Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 good, than keep that idiot Kaepernick off the field, tell Michael Bennett he owes money for slandering LV, tell the whole lot of the idiots that they will loose out on game checks for their nonsense. How's that for starters? Yeah! Make sure those boys know their place! how is it racially insensitive unless you characterize blacks as inmates? Only a racist would do that. We must have missed all of the white players kneeling for racial equality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 McNair said something stupid, but the players are overreacting. Agreed It sounds like McNair was sincere in his apology. Vincent accepted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. Good post. I feel similar but compartmentalize it. The entire issue has absolutely zero affect on watching the team or games or NFL football. Zero. Regardless of who is right or wrong. I don't mind talking about the social issues, individual actions or comments, and conversing/arguing with idjits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 lol what? I didn't say he shouldn't be playing, I said that his words and actions have consequences. Even if those consequences are unfair. You know what, never mind. I'm backing slowly away from you and will not engage again. My bad. You're remind me of someone I once knew who was a blithering idiot. Not that I'm comparing you to him, of course. I would never do that. Nope. Wouldn't do it. Absolutely walk away. It's the only solution when you get that sort of a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 the more common saying is inmates running the asylum. isn't it the lunatics are running the asylum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Really? Grown men today are total babies... should go back to elementary school. It was a figure of speech. And player like Michael Bennett is proof that it is a pretty accurate one. Not good to walk out on the guy signing your checks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 isn't it the lunatics are running the asylum?You know, if we would just let the lunatics run the prisons, and the inmates run the asylums, the world would be a better place. Granted, some would say that's already the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 isn't it the lunatics are running the asylum? I think both of them were thwarted but when the lunatics and inmates combined forces, the asylum fell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) OK, just for the record. There is not nor has there ever been an expression (or figure of speech) that "the inmates are running the prison". He bastardized the phrase "inmates running the asylum" It's not a huge difference except in the context of a meeting about social justice and race, it implies he sees the employees as property or prisoners. It doesn't take a genius to understand that the leagues players are mostly black and that community is subject to much higher rates of incarceration than white people. This is the exact point of the protests to begin with. The reason that matters is Asylum implies crazy, this does not have a racial component to it as mental health care basically sucks for everyone. Prison does. Now if he had said it correctly nobody bats an eyelash. It does have a Freudian slip feel to it. Edited October 27, 2017 by blitzboy54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 McNair said something stupid, but the players are overreacting. Was it tho? Michael Bennett broke the law and then lied to the world claiming he was abused by a police officer. He is one of the key figures in the "protest". So its not like the comment is way off base. And the analogy of people at the bottom controlling people at the top is very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 isn't it the lunatics are running the asylum? Yea but just make sure the Rams owner doesn't say that to Robert Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Dumb. 1. It's a figure of speech, although technically I think it goes "inmates running the asylum" 2. How horrible of McNair not wanting his employees staging protests on company time on company property. I totally respect the players right to protest anything they want, but do it on your own time in a public place. The teams and networks don't owe anyone that forum. I'm gonna say ownership assumes players under contract are always on company time, this is why their off the field behavior can get them in trouble with the organization. I still go back to the fact that this is a 45 second statement, done peacefully, and usually not even on TV, before the game starts. I used to get so annoyed at players praying during games, but never made a big deal out of it. Didn't like them demonstrating about their religion during 'my time' watching the game. I remember the full Bills team praying at mid field. Why was that ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Consider application of the law. It's not that people shouldn't be punished, but they aren't punished proportionately. Non-violent offenders are more likely to go to jail if they are a minority. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Prisoner_Demographics.svg Equality doesn't mean we all have the same everything, it means we're all treated the same regardless of what we look like or how much money we make. That has never been achieved, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. Take the money out of it and see what happens to that statistic. I say a well to do person of any color is less likely to go jail than a working class person of any color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This never happens on turf fields so the Bills should be ok. It starts on the grass and spreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You know, there are an awful lot of racist NFL fans. No kidding. And a lot of racist NFL players, of both colors, so what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah! Make sure those boys know their place! We must have missed all of the white players kneeling for racial equality... You did. Not a lot but there are white players kneeling as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Its not just the racial insensitivity of the remark, which is pretty obvious, especially for the large number of player who grew up in the South. Its the idea of the owners having the same sort of power relationship over the players as a prison warden over the inmates. The NFL talks a lot about its partnership with the players, and this flies in the face of that. You hit the nail on the head here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He should have said the clowns are running the circus. Then the only the redheads would be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Was it tho? Michael Bennett broke the law and then lied to the world claiming he was abused by a police officer.Bennett broke the law? Really? I have not heard that anywhere. Do you have inside information here or are you just making stuff up? And tell us again how he lied? Edited October 27, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 @AaronWilson_NFL Duane Brown is extremely passionate about these issues and deeply offended by Texans owner Bob McNair's 'inmates' comments @AdamSchefter Expectation now is all Texans, including Hopkins, will be with team Saturday, when it is scheduled to leave for Seattle. But we’ll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Good post. I feel similar but compartmentalize it. The entire issue has absolutely zero affect on watching the team or games or NFL football. Zero. Regardless of who is right or wrong. I don't mind talking about the social issues, individual actions or comments, and conversing/arguing with idjits. See the thing is... there are places I go to talk about social issues. When it comes to football, I see nothing but talking points and bad political discourse. There's never been a comment I've seen in a football forum that's helped reshape the way I feel about a social topic. That's not even saying that I'm actively trying to be close-minded or that I'm being difficult, it's just this isn't the proper mechanism for it. We're more divided now than ever before and some of us watch football to get away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He should have said the clowns are running the circus. Then the only the redheads would be upset. And Bryce Harper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He should have said the clowns are running the circus. Then the only the redheads would be upset.Yup. Or the trannys running the restrooms. Then no one would have cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) He should have said the clowns are running the circus. Then the only the redheads would be upset. That is good. Very good. You are a problem solver. He would have been self deprecating by calling himself(and owners) the circus. I think this statement would have gone over unnoticed. Edited October 27, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Damn. I feel like freedom of speech not being the same as freedom of consequences shouldn't be hard for people to understand. Kneel and it may have adverse consequences. Equate NFL players to criminals, it may have adverse consequences. You're free to say and do anything you want; it doesn't mean you're free of any problems that it may create. Understand now? Tremendous, BC. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Damn. I feel like freedom of speech not being the same as freedom of consequences shouldn't be hard for people to understand. Kneel and it may have adverse consequences. Equate NFL players to criminals, it may have adverse consequences. You're free to say and do anything you want; it doesn't mean you're free of any problems that it may create. Understand now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I don't think people understood that "Inmates Running the Asylum" is just a colloquialism and metaphor about there needing to be someone in charge. It doesn't literally mean that the players are prisoners in this context. I get the sensitivity of the players given the atmosphere of the league and the country. Seems to me like it was a bad choice of words and even though in context they aren't ill intended it definitely can come across that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 See the thing is... there are places I go to talk about social issues. When it comes to football, I see nothing but talking points and bad political discourse. There's never been a comment I've seen in a football forum that's helped reshape the way I feel about a social topic. That's not even saying that I'm actively trying to be close-minded or that I'm being difficult, it's just this isn't the proper mechanism for it. We're more divided now than ever before and some of us watch football to get away from that. Bingo, 100% spot on. We are more divided now than we have ever been, absolutely true. All this rhetoric is NOT go to change any hearts or minds, anyone idealistically naive enough to believe this will be sadly disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 this thread seems to be going well. seems we now live in a "you hurt my little feelings" society. softies when it comes to the kneeling, softies when it comes to an owner calling players inmates. as for them walking out, go for it. let the drama continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Bennett broke the law? Really? I have not heard that anywhere. Do you have inside information here or are you just making stuff up? And tell us again how he lied?He claimed police racism and police misconduct... it is illegal to falsly report an incident. Then it was proven with cameras then none of what he claimed happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 this thread seems to be going well. seems we now live in a "you hurt my little feelings" society. softies when it comes to the kneeling, softies when it comes to an owner calling players inmates. as for them walking out, go for it. let the drama continue. the owners and players need to come to some sort of agreement to put this in the past. But just like CBA negotiations, it's never easy with these 2 groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If it gets any worse, have the owners lock out the employees and have them sit for two years. I'm all for that. Bunch of misfits that can't play nice in the sandbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Why is it sad though? How does it effect you? Am I the only one that just doesn't care about this stuff? I keep seeing these threads get started on a weekly basis and 75% of you guys just talk in circles. I don't watch or follow football for it's politics. I also don't care if the players kneel. I don't care if there are flyovers. I watch football to be entertained by the sport, not by it's fans and their political persuasions. It's not like I don't have my own ideologies, but lately I have tried as hard as I can to separate them entirely from watching football. I agree with this 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 He claimed police racism and police misconduct... it is illegal to falsly report an incident. Then it was proven with cameras then none of what he claimed happened. I don't believe this is correct. He may have been incorrect in his view of what happened, but i don't believe being wrong(and not saying that he was right or wrong) is a crime in this type of instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Look at me!!! I'm offended!!! Well I'm double offended BUT if I was hired to do a job, I'd do it, and not care what the boss thought about things; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 the owners and players need to come to some sort of agreement to put this in the past. But just like CBA negotiations, it's never easy with these 2 groups. Yup. Just about finding some middle ground and respecting each other. I hope we can get to that point soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This is the dumbest thing I've read since the Anquan Boldin thread. It's a common phrase, with a colloquial understanding, which was stated incorrectly. There is no inference of racism. This is just more horseshit from idiots looking for things to be offended about where no offense exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yea but just make sure the Rams owner doesn't say that to Robert Woods. I believe the original phrase was "We can't have Robert Woods running the asylum, he's f#$&ing crazy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Agreed. I'm curious if he still would have been upset if he used the more common "inmates running the asylum" instead of prison. This is a great point. And no I dont think so. But it makes you wonder why McNairs mind decides on prison instead when thats not even the proper phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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