The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Like "In God We Trust" on our money. It was added in the 50's as a reaction to Communism. Ditto for "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Added long after the fact. Not sure about Poles but the Irish were treated like sub-humans for years. Definitely happened to us poles as well. Not to the extent of black people but definitely discriminated against. I know of a few families that change their last names in order to "fit in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I really don't remember hearing of any Irish or Polish slaves in the US. If I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in learning the truth. Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'm sure he will have lots of free time available to work for social justice in the future; I'm sure he will use much of the millions he has earned over the years to assist the oppressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others. I'm certain Kaeperneck can attest to that. Wasn't referring to here in the U.S. The Poles were enslaved during the Nazi occupation of Poland, on top of millions that were killed during WW2. Irish were enslaved by the English. The point is, racism is not just an American issue, it's a worldwide issue. Some, like Kapernick, only see it as an an American problem and that law enforcement/government hates African Americans, and that's far from the truth. People are too quick to judge and place labels on others. I am aware of those instances. I took this discussion to be about the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country. Lmao!! Pool is played with a white ball having to hit a bunch of colored balls. Bowling is played with a black ball having to knock down ten white pins with rednecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 True Story from the Life of Hopeful. When our baby was just shy of 9 months old and baby/mom more or less recovered from various complications, the Hopeful family made a decision to finally have a date night, sans baby, to celebrate my birthday. We went all out: reservations to a trendy restaurant for dinner; excellent tickets to see STOMP!, the familiar caregiver from her excellent daycare as a very well-paid babysitter. That was September 11, 2000. After discussion and some phone calls to the restaurant and the venue, we decided to proceed with the planned evening. We figured what the terrorists are after is getting in everyone's head and disrupting normal life, so if we stay home, they win that small victory. So off we went. The restaurant was out of flown-in stuff, like fresh fish, but otherwise good. I don't know if STOMP always starts that way, but just before the starting time, the venue went pitch black, even the small aisle lights. Into the darkness came the sound of a lone bugle, playing our National Anthem. At the crescendo, three spotlights lit up our flag. I guarantee there wasn't a dry eye in the house that night. That's how I "get" our flag and our national anthem - as an enduring symbol that our nation, flaws and warts and stumbles and tragedies, is fundamentally strong and good and will continue and evolve. 2000 huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country.Yea but that's white people so who cares? Lmao!! Pool is played with a white ball having to hit a bunch of colored balls. Bowling is played with a black ball having to knock down ten white pins with rednecks. Basketball is played with an orange ball that gets smashed on the floor repeatedly before being thrown into an orange hoop. #ompalompalivesmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'm certain Kaeperneck can attest to that. I am aware of those instances. I took this discussion to be about the US. Not to take away from the suffering of African Americans and Native Americans, but it should be noted that significant proportion of early European settlers came to this country as "indentured servants", which is pretty close to slavery but for a set time of 7 years. Some volunteered as a way of escaping jail or poverty in Europe, many were forced to come over in payment for debts. Conditions not as bad as black slavery in the 1800s, but at the time slaves and indentured servants were treated pretty similarly. Just food for thought in the discussion. FWIW, youre doing a good job of keeping the moral high ground, thank you. As for CK the individual I would have to agree with your arguments. America is all about the First Amendment, I get it. The problem is CK is not acting in his individual capacity, hes acting in his capacity as an NFL superstar who is breaking his written contract with the NFL and his unwritten contract with NFL fans that he will toe the company line in exchange for high privilege and million of dollars to play a useless game solely for our entertainment. This opportunity comes courtesy of the people of America via an exemption to the Anti-Trust Act that allows the NFL to rake in billions and pass some 12 million dollars of it to CK. When I joined the military I gave up my right to sit out the National Anthem, and they never paid me anything like 12 million dollars. CK can exercise his right all he wants if he quits NFL football and gets a job, say, as a law enforcement officer where he can push community policing and fair treatment of all citizens in a meaningful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I still fail to understand why people care about what professional athletes say/think. The NFL ain't exactly a brain trust. I'm convinced it's all just to stir up ****. Of course in Kaep's case, it helps keep him in the spotlight once he loses his job to this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yea but that's white people so who cares? Basketball is played with an orange ball that gets smashed on the floor repeatedly before being thrown into an orange hoop. #ompalompalivesmatter True, but you have to consider that baseball is played with a white ball and repeatedly smacked by mulatto or black bats only to be engulfed by brown gloves. WTF is that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 True, but you have to consider that baseball is played with a white ball and repeatedly smacked by mulatto or black bats only to be engulfed by brown gloves. WTF is that all about? then you got hockey. Bunch of drunk Russians and Canadians skating on white ice, hitting a black puck with mulatto sticks into Irish nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I always thought Kaep only cared about himself with the whole kiss my own bicep thing. Maybe he's changed... <sarcasm font> Edited August 27, 2016 by Uncle Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 then you got hockey. Bunch of drunk Russians and Canadians skating on white ice, hitting a black puck with mulatto sticks into Irish nets. Hockey is crazy looked through that prism. They should ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I always thought Kaep only cared about himself with the whole kiss my own bicep thing. Maybe he's changed... No, he hasn't. Its all about him. This whole conversation has pretty much ruined my faith in 21st century America, and my Saturday. I blame CK personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Hockey is crazy looked through that prism. They should ban it.Agreed. Did you get the Irish net part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He has the freedom to express his opinions, regardless of if I agree with said opinions. Seems like a lot of noise over a non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'm convinced it's all just to stir up ****. Of course in Kaep's case, it helps keep him in the spotlight once he loses his job to this guy. Or he's prepping for the claim "racist Chip Kelly fired me because I support civil rights." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 "This is not something that I am going to run by anybody," (Kaepernick) said. "I am not looking for approval. I have to stand up for people that are oppressed. ... If they take football away, my endorsements from me, I know that I stood up for what is right." Symptom #1: Obliviousness to irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 No, he hasn't. Its all about him. This whole conversation has pretty much ruined my faith in 21st century America, and my Saturday. I blame CK personally. Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm font. I forgot my wry humor font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He has every right to sit when he wants, but please ignore this fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He has every right to sit when he wants, but please ignore this fool. I don't think it's about the national anthem. He's just warming up for his game time position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't think it's fair to white people that the game has to be played with brown footballs. Every freakin' game! Where are all the white footballs? We are losing our country. And who let Donald Trump's tanning salon determine the color of NBA basketballs? @SBNationNFL The 49ers say the national anthem is a special part of pregame, but the team backs Kaepernick’s right to protest. https://t.co/eKMD19rrKs Some consultant just made $30k for feeding that line of bull for the 9ers to spew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 If Kaepernick was "sitting to make a statement," he would have announced it beforehand. He's just making ish up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 My parents taught me that if you don't have anything nice to say about a person, you shouldn't say it. And I definitely don't have anything nice to say about that moron. Nice to see those family morals paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Nice to see those family morals paying off. I never said I listened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I never said I listened Well played sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) While I disapprove of what that asshat said and did, I will defend to the death the asshat's right to say it Freedom of asshattery is an inherent Constitutional right, without which the Internet would not be the place we all know and love today Edited August 27, 2016 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 And who let Donald Trump's tanning salon determine the color of NBA basketballs? Now this was objectively funny! And it d*mn near cost me a keyboard While I disapprove of what that asshat said and did, I will defend to the death the asshat's right to say it Freedom of asshattery is an inherent Constitutional right, without which the Internet would not be the place we all know and love today Well said I don't think it's about the national anthem. He's just warming up for his game time position. Well played, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The national anthem is a joke and has no place at sporting events. We know our country is great, but we are not there to celebrate our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 since we are better than other countries, just sit down( or stand up in this case) and shut up. Don't exercise your freedoms unless you have permission too. are you in academia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) He is positioning himself a victim, as his career "moves forward". Edited August 27, 2016 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He's just bitter because Blaine Gabbert is better than him. And how American is the name Blaine?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 It could be a lot worse Among the most controversial of all Supreme Court decisions happened in 1989, when a divided Court allowed flag burning as protected free speech. http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/06/inside-the-supreme-courts-flag-burning-decision/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) because we elected a black president, that means there's no more racism? It's in November. Every year. And Polish Americans and Irish Americans share October and Irish American history month is in March. But only black american history month is taught in schools- at least the ones around here. Not Native American, Irish, Italian, Polish or any other that I'm aware of. So if a student complains that they only get one month, as in the example that started all of this, then to respond that they are lucky to have one celebrated is not inappropriate, IMO. Are you saying that the student was correct and they deserve more? If so, why and to what purpose? Edited August 27, 2016 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Thought this was an interesting history lesson on the anthem and sporting events. I recall seeing it when it first came out in ESPN magazine after 9/11. 'The Star-Spangled Banner' is an OK song for what it is, but I've always felt 'America The Beautiful' best captured America and all it encompasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 It could be a lot worse Among the most controversial of all Supreme Court decisions happened in 1989, when a divided Court allowed flag burning as protected free speech. http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/06/inside-the-supreme-courts-flag-burning-decision/ Now there's an idea October 16th, 49ers at Bills. Instead of burning the American flag, burn Crapernick jerseys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Norman Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) He has the right to do it. That right is provided for under the constitution of this country, which tens of thousands have died to defend. Not respecting the anthem on that point alone make him a f'ing jerk. There's no valor in his charade. Get out there and support what you believe in for real vs. Making a statement on the sideline like a pu$$y. Edited August 27, 2016 by Stormin Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Expressing his POV is what we call freedom in this great country. If you want him to adhere to only expressions of love, then maybe you should try out North Korea to see how you like it there. Well said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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