Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Feel free to start one there if you feel the need.Oh, I don't care. It just feels like it might get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I fought for this country side by side with blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, etc. People of all colors have died wearing the American uniform. When Kap refuses to honor the flag, he refuses to honor them. And that pisses me off. Â I respect Kap for caring about injustice. I respect him for taking a stand. But I don't respect him for taking this stand. In my mind, he's disrespecting the folks I fought alongside in the Gulf War. The soldiers (minority/white/whatever) I served with are more impressive to me than Kap will ever be. Â There are guys out there today in foreign lands risking their lives for the ideals of this country. There are activists in the streets foregoing wealth to work for social equality, medical access, and so on to make this country better. And while there are some bad cops out there, there are also plenty of good LEOs who lay it on the line for their communities every day. Kap, on the other hand, is living a life of luxury and at the same time complaining about injustice. Â Instead of acting like a petulant child, why doesn't he man up and do something? If truly wants to make a difference, why doesn't he join a police force and become a force for equal treatment? Or donate his millions and his efforts to bring about social equality and justice? Â And if that's too much for him, why can't he at least honor the people who do work to make America great by putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem? Edited August 27, 2016 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I helped defend this country by serving eight years in the Marines. I find not standing for the national anthem to be very disrespectful. Â What have you done for our country besides run your mouth? Time for you to step back. That's your opinion Of course it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Time for you to step back. Of course it is. Okay, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I helped defend this country by serving eight years in the Marines. I find not standing for the national anthem to be very disrespectful.  What have you done for our country besides run your mouth? Thank you for your service. I appreciate the passion, but this country was founded on the idea of individual freedom. That's what you fought to defend. You should appreciate the fact that he's actually utilizing the freedom that you so generously devoted such a significant portion of your life to defend. Although, I do think it's ironic that he choses to make this little stand of his just feet from a field upon which men of color get paid millions of dollars to play a game. Edited August 27, 2016 by sodbuster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 OK, folks...y'all know the rules. I can't babysit this 24/7 so here it is... Â If you're going to discuss this issue here on the main board do it with respect. Finger pointing, blanket statements etc. don't work. Either be thoughtful in your response or not. If you can't do that then keep your thoughts to yourself or take it to PPP. Any nonsense will be handled when I return. That goes for original statements and responses to those statements. Because I'm being very clear here you can assume that if any cleaning is needed in this thread will be coupled with a lengthy time with your posting privileges removed. Â Everyone here is smart enough to understand this, so...carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Thank you for your service. I appreciate the passion, but this country was founded on the idea of individual freedom. That's what you fought to defend. You should appreciate the fact that he's actually utilizing the freedom that you so generously devoted such a significant portion of your life to defend. By suggesting that somebody expressing his point of view should leave the country, you might even be contributing to the destruction of the fabric of the country. Â I don't get this. Why is okay for Kap to have an opinion but not Jerry Jabber? Â Just because Kap has the right to express himself doesn't mean he should. Personally, I don't like hate speech, do you? Kap isn't spouting hate speech but he is disrespectful. He's the one "contributing to the destruction of the fabric of the country," not Jerry who served his country. Edited August 27, 2016 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 So, no one from Ireland and Poland were ever slaves? I really don't remember hearing of any Irish or Polish slaves in the US. If I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in learning the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Â I don't get this. Why is okay for Kap to have an opinion but not sodbuster? Â Just because Kap has the right to express himself doesn't mean he should. Personally, I don't like hate speech, do you? Kap isn't spouting hate speech but he is disrespectful. He's the one "contributing to the destruction of the fabric of the country." Â How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarkLessWagMore Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I fought for this country side by side with blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, etc. People of all colors have died wearing the American uniform. When Kap refuses to honor the flag, he refuses to honor them. And that pisses me off. Â I respect Kap for caring about injustice. I respect him for taking a stand. But I don't respect him for taking this stand. In my mind, he's disrespecting the folks I fought alongside in the Gulf War. The soldiers (minority/white/whatever) I served with are more impressive to me than Kap will ever be. Â There are guys out there today in foreign lands risking their lives for the ideals of this country. There are activists in the streets foregoing wealth to work for social equality, medical access, and so on to make this country better. And while there are some bad cops out there, there are also plenty of good LEOs who lay it on the line for their communities every day. Kap, on the other hand, is living a life of luxury and at the same time complaining about injustice. Â Instead of acting like a petulant child, why doesn't he man up and do something? If truly wants to make a difference, why doesn't he join a police force and become a force for equal treatment? Or donate his millions and his efforts to bring about social equality and justice? Â And if that's too much for him, why can't he at least honor the people who do work to make America great by putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem? Â Not sure what else needs to be said. Just an awesome post. Kap's actions are misguided at best. And Hondo, thank you sincerely for your service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 @SBNationNFL The 49ers say the national anthem is a special part of pregame, but the team backs Kaepernick’s right to protest. https://t.co/eKMD19rrKs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 the two really aren't related at all. Â Then please explain to me how the United States of America, led by a black man, oppresses black people and people of color. Â What is it this country is specifically doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The whole national anthem/flag/military honor guard/military jet flyover thing that is now associated with sports in this country is flat out bizarre and really has nothing to do with watching sports. Â Some of it is flat out paid for by the military as a marketing ploy. Â Get rid of all of it. Like "In God We Trust" on our money. It was added in the 50's as a reaction to Communism. Ditto for "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Added long after the fact. I really don't remember hearing of any Irish or Polish slaves in the US. If I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in learning the truth. Not sure about Poles but the Irish were treated like sub-humans for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Like "In God We Trust" on our money. It was added in the 50's as a reaction to Communism. Ditto for "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Added long after the fact. Not sure about Poles but the Irish were treated like sub-humans for years. Â Irish immigrants were definitely discriminated against for a long time in this country, but were never enslaved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Patriotism has nothing to do with a flag or a song. It's defined by one's actions. It is about defending what makes country special and that includes someone's right to free speach or freedom of expression. Whether we agree with them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Patriotism has nothing to do with a flag or a song. It's defined by one's actions. It is about defending what makes country special and that includes someone's right to free speach or freedom of expression. Whether we agree with them or not. Â Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 You can express your views In other ways...I'm all about expressing views..I don't care.....disrespecting your country is not cool. Â Neither is BEING disrespected by what's supposed to be 'your' country too. That's the flip side of it. Granted you do have a point, but so does he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Â Irish immigrants were definitely discriminated against for a long time in this country, but were never enslaved. most immigrants were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Like "In God We Trust" on our money. It was added in the 50's as a reaction to Communism. Ditto for "One nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Added long after the fact. Not sure about Poles but the Irish were treated like sub-humans for years. The Irish slave trade was a very real thing. Tens of thousands were sold to settlers in the West Indies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He probably just thinks this might make him relevant again for a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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