Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't care if he didn't stand; his right. The idea that black people are systematically oppressed, however, is ridiculous when it comes from a black guy that gets paid millions to be lousy at his job. The nation doesn't oppress minorities; individuals are responsible for racism on a case-by-case basis. It's sad and stupid, but it does happen. Statements like Kaep's dilute the discussion and undermine the credibility of serious racial discrimination. He's somewhat of an interesting case, and he's not a thug or dumb or some type of militant. He's very smart, and grew up, adopted, in an entirely white family that he is very close with. He was a great student, does a bunch of charity work, is very religious (all his tattoos are biblical not thug life). He's just a crappy QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) If this doesn't describe you, why are you getting so worked up about it?Because he can. It's his right. Edited August 27, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) I don't care if he didn't stand; his right. The idea that black people are systematically oppressed, however, is ridiculous when it comes from a black guy that gets paid millions to be lousy at his job. The nation doesn't oppress minorities; individuals are responsible for racism on a case-by-case basis. It's sad and stupid, but it does happen. Statements like Kaep's dilute the discussion and undermine the credibility of serious racial discrimination. The bolded just isn't true. The nation has a long history of oppressing minorities and dividing folks along ethnic and class lines. A lot of those injustices have been remedied through time because people took bold stands to fight for their freedoms, but remnants of that oppression still exist. Look at the War on Drugs and the sentence disparity between white drug abusers and minority drug abusers -- that's codified oppression built into the very justice system and it exists still today. Disagree with the guy all you want, but let's not pretend there isn't truth to what he's "standing" for. Edited August 27, 2016 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't care if he didn't stand; his right. The idea that black people are systematically oppressed, however, is ridiculous when it comes from a black guy that gets paid millions to be lousy at his job. The nation doesn't oppress minorities; individuals are responsible for racism on a case-by-case basis. It's sad and stupid, but it does happen. Statements like Kaep's dilute the discussion and undermine the credibility of serious racial discrimination. Excellent post as usual. Kaep reminds me of a certain person running for office who just reads the headlines and not the whole article. I do wish people thought about things on an individual basis. All I try to do in my life is being as respectful as I can in every interaction I have with anyone. And 99% of the time, I have great interactions. We need to stop viewing a small minority as the majority. This is what the news and social media feeds on however. The vast majority of police are amazing at a very dangerous job. The vast majority of black people don't go around committing crimes. The vast majority of white people aren't racists. All Mexicans aren't illegally crossing the border to come commit crimes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Excellent post as usual. Kaep reminds me of a certain person running for office who just reads the headlines and not the whole article. I do wish people thought about things on an individual basis. All I try to do in my life is being as respectful as I can in every interaction I have with anyone. And 99% of the time, I have great interactions. We need to stop viewing a small minority as the majority. This is what the news and social media feeds on however. The vast majority of police are amazing at a very dangerous job. The vast majority of black people don't go around committing crimes. The vast majority of white people aren't racists. All Mexicans aren't illegally crossing the border to come commit crimes here. And you clearly know nothing about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) The bolded just isn't true. The nation has a long history of oppressing minorities and dividing folks along ethnic and class lines. A lot of those injustices have been remedied through time because people took bold stands to fight for their freedoms, but remnants of that oppression still exist. Look at the War on Drugs and the sentence disparity between white drug abusers and minority drug abusers -- that's codified oppression built into the very justice system and it exists still today. Disagree with the guy all you want, but let's not pretend there isn't truth to what he's "standing" for. Oppression for people that commit crimes isn't the best example. White, black, indigo or whatever. Whether it be true or not. Edited August 27, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 What happens when he pulls this crap here in October? We stand up and boo him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Oppression for people that commit crimes isn't the best example. White, black, indigo or whatever. Disagree. When it's codified into law to target poor minorities that's systemic oppression of the worst kind -- especially in a country that claims "every man is equal and innocent until proven guilty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The bolded just isn't true. The nation has a long history of oppressing minorities and dividing folks along ethnic and class lines. A lot of those injustices have been remedied through time because people took bold stands to fight for their freedoms, but remnants of that oppression still exist. Look at the War on Drugs and the sentence disparity between white drug abusers and minority drug abusers -- that's codified oppression built into the very justice system and it exists still today. Disagree with the guy all you want, but let's not pretend there isn't truth to what he's "standing" for. Fair points. The War on Drugs destroyed inner cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Disagree. When it's codified into law to target poor minorities that's systemic oppression of the worst kind -- especially in a country that claims "every man is equal and innocent until proven guilty". You were comparing the sentences they received. Either way they are both guilty, just duration that varies. I don't consider it oppression when drug dealers/abusers are kept off the streets no matter their color. Also I don't think it's necessarily poor minorities that are targeted but poor neighborhoods. Edited August 27, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Fair points. The War on Drugs destroyed inner cities. so , just ignore ?not address? curious.. what should be done then? Edited August 27, 2016 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 because we elected a black president, that means there's no more racism? Some people believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 so , just ignore ?not address? This is way to giant of a topic to address. But there were a lot of fathers who got looked up a long time for some pretty minor drugs offenses. And this just created a very bad cycle. Of course, this is stuff Kaepernick has never experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 The bolded just isn't true. The nation has a long history of oppressing minorities and dividing folks along ethnic and class lines. A lot of those injustices have been remedied through time because people took bold stands to fight for their freedoms, but remnants of that oppression still exist. Look at the War on Drugs and the sentence disparity between white drug abusers and minority drug abusers -- that's codified oppression built into the very justice system and it exists still today. Disagree with the guy all you want, but let's not pretend there isn't truth to what he's "standing" for. All truth. Let's remember that when heroin addiction was seen as an inner city problem among poor blacks it was mostly ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Fair points. The War on Drugs destroyed inner cities. Not to mention sentencing way out of line for crimes related to possessing crack v. powder cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 All truth. Let's remember that when heroin addiction was seen as an inner city problem among poor blacks it was mostly ignored. It's also interesting that the average heroin use is now a 40 year old white man. And if you report an OD, they aren't allowed to arrest the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 This is way to giant of a topic to address. But there were a lot of fathers who got looked up a long time for some pretty minor drugs offenses. And this just created a very bad cycle. Of course, this is stuff Kaepernick has never experienced. His white mother was young and poor and couldn't care for him. His black father disappeared I think before he was born. So his mom put him up for adoption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Not to mention sentencing way out of line for crimes related to possessing crack v. powder cocaine. Coke when you smoke it - trashy Coke when you sniff it - classy and you can't even get drug tested for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) This is way to giant of a topic to address. But there were a lot of fathers who got looked up a long time for some pretty minor drugs offenses. And this just created a very bad cycle. Of course, this is stuff Kaepernick has never experienced. the freakin guy is a multi-millionaire who plays a GAME..stop using his nonsense to address "societal problems" Edited August 27, 2016 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 It's also interesting that the average heroin use is now a 40 year old white man. And if you report an OD, they aren't allowed to arrest the person. Things are quite a bit different since drugs were introduced into inner city communities as part of COINTELPRO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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