The Big Cat Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Can't believe this hasn't been discussed, unless I missed it: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/04/rex_ryan_has_simplified_buffalo_bills_defense_according_to_lb_preston_brown.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @MatthewFairburn Matthew Fairburn Retweeted Buffalo Bills News If you missed it, Preston Brown says the Bills are already noticing changes in Rex Ryan's defense: https://t.co/GO8V09bP0L Missed it, but certainly worthy of a new thread. Preston Brown: "A great time to build camaraderie" (12:17) Brown says that Rex has simplified the defense from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Should have done that last season and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 As a former player and coach I can tell you this The more you require a player to "think" on a field the more it takes away from reactionary time, communication, and players start cheating on their basic fundamentals...... There is a reason why 2 tenths of a second is made a big deal of at the NFL level......because its the difference between winning and losing on a a play Now.....I dont necessarily think that Rex Ryan's past schemes are wrong....only that I thought it might take some time for the players to become adjusted to them......and for Rex to become adjusted to his players fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 Missed it, but certainly worthy of a new thread. Ha, yeah. I just scanned the front page. I haven't been deep into threads so if that's where it was, it would have eluded me. As a former player and coach I can tell you this The more you require a player to "think" on a field the more it takes away from reactionary time, communication, and players start cheating on their basic fundamentals...... There is a reason why 2 tenths of a second is made a big deal of at the NFL level......because its the difference between winning and losing on a a play Now.....I dont necessarily think that Rex Ryan's past schemes are wrong....only that I thought it might take some time for the players to become adjusted to them......and for Rex to become adjusted to his players fingers crossed Totally agree. Also, knowing anything about human nature would lead you to believe that the 2015 growing pains would/should have been two fold: Players getting to know coaches/scheme Coaches/scheme getting to know players By all reports now, there is adaptability on both sides of the table, and things are progressing as if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Mario Williams was quoted as saying "So now he decides to simplify things? %#@!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. There is great weighting given to physical strength and speed in the NFL, unlike most office jobs. Every player is some blending of both the physical and mental skills. If a player has outstanding physical skills, a boss (coach) might very well 'dumb down the job to appease the morons' so he can get the physical talent on the field. I don't know anything about Brown's intelligence and don't mean to insult him here, just saying ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Mario Williams was quoted as saying "So now he decides to simplify things? %#@!" Mario is in South Beach chasing girls he's gonna have to take to court to get a ring back from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease ... I'm doing it right now for a new hire I manage. I have to in order for him/me/us to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. Maybe the coaches could just the friggin' plays in on time and go from there? You cannot tell me that that wasn't a huge part of the problem. Complex/numerous reads, but no time. And that didn't work? Edited April 21, 2016 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. Bosses and companies try to simplify things for their staff and employees all the time. Isn't that what management is all about, keeping things simple and efficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 @TyDunne New at the BN Blog: ILB Preston Brown says Rex Ryan is simplifying the #Bills defense in 2016. That's a good sign. https://t.co/PU0lxxnczi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Maybe the coaches could just the friggin' plays in on time and go from there? You cannot tell me that that wasn't a huge part of the problem. Complex/numerous reads, but no time. And that didn't work? +1 Looking back, it's a wonder things didn't boil over more. Hard to learn regardless, but add in your coaches aren't getting you the play call? Bet that defensive locker room got pretty ugly at points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 About time. Hopefully the calls have been simplified from 5-6 words down to 2 or 3. That way maybe they can get the play call in to Brown before the clock runs out on the helmet mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. How do you think these guys make it through college? Do you think they actually attend class? Does this mean the D won't be any good because we no longer have a "complex scheme"? Edited April 21, 2016 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Can't believe this hasn't been discussed, unless I missed it: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/04/rex_ryan_has_simplified_buffalo_bills_defense_according_to_lb_preston_brown.html Thanks for posting - I missed this too. I get how Rex would be conflicted. If I was a HC or coordinator, I'd want to out-scheme and out-smart my opponents. I could see myself falling into the trap of making things too complicated. But a lot of these players were not A students in college. And you want your D to make quick decisions and then act with aggression. Simple schemes executed with a high degree of violence and precision can be better than complicated schemes executed with self-doubt and confusion. The optimal balancing point between brilliant complexity and aggressive simplicity is tough to find. And it will vary from team to team, season to season, depending on the players. Rex has clearly reevaluated his defensive roster and is moving toward the simpler end of the continuum. Based on some of the things we've heard from the players and saw on the field last year, this is probably a wise move. Edited April 21, 2016 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Should have done that last season and go from there. He did, starting in week 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. Coming from a manufacturing background this was the bulk of what we did as manufacturing and process engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Looked like Ryan simplified things after the bye last season. Maybe not in terms of terminology, but certainly in terms of assignments and responsibilities. It helped Brown, too, that Lawson took over the field calls. It will be interesting to see how Brown reacts when he resumes defensive QB duties for the front seven. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 They're going to have to reduce the playbook...chances are 1 perhaps 2 rookies will be playing on the defensive front 7. That, and newcomers like Zach Brown and Robert Blanton will be getting minutes. Maybe Buddy watched the 1985 Chicago Bears 30 for 30 and realized his dad once had to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 every HC we have had for the last 17 years has come out and said were going to simply this or that. Those coaches were all fired soon afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. Probably because the process has already reached such a minimal threshold that automation is the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'm a fan of starting simple, and then applying more complicated schemes once the base of the defense becomes natural, so that players aren't actively overthinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. I worked in HR and also did a stint in training. Parallel to your bolded points: life is getting more complex, as the deeply flawed US educational system gives us millennials unprepared for work. I've dumbed down jobs to get recruits/employees likely to succeed. An aside, I see a theme in this thread that hints at a difference in reaction time versus intelligence. Simplifying the D may be less for intellect, and may be more for the brains to process it timely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Coming from a manufacturing background this was the bulk of what we did as manufacturing and process engineers. When I went to the army's Officer Candidate School, all but one of the candidates in my class were college grads. Some came from prestigious universities. So we laughed when an instructor told us that all training materials for enlisted soldiers were written at the 10th grade level. Then he told us that all officer training materials were written at the 12th grade level and that humbled us. He explained that to be effective, training has to make sense to everyone, not just to the best and brightest. Clarity for everyone is key. Even the least analytical player with the poorest memory needs to understand the scheme and know his assignment for each call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeyBomb Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 As a former player and coach I can tell you this The more you require a player to "think" on a field the more it takes away from reactionary time, communication, and players start cheating on their basic fundamentals...... There is a reason why 2 tenths of a second is made a big deal of at the NFL level......because its the difference between winning and losing on a a play Now.....I dont necessarily think that Rex Ryan's past schemes are wrong....only that I thought it might take some time for the players to become adjusted to them......and for Rex to become adjusted to his players fingers crossed This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 When I went to the army's Officer Candidate School, all but one of the candidates in my class were college grads. Some came from prestigious universities. So we laughed when an instructor told us that all training materials for enlisted soldiers were written at the 10th grade level. Then he told us that all officer training materials were written at the 12th grade level and that humbled us. He explained that to be effective, training has to make sense to everyone, not just to the best and brightest. Clarity for everyone is key. Even the least analytical player with the poorest memory needs to understand the scheme and know his assignment for each call. Great lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Just seems odd that we talk all the time about how smart this guy is and that guy is, but can't understand a "D" because it's too hard to learn. After all the time they have to learn it? Odd. Guess N.E. dunbed down their game a long time ago. If they can't understand the play book they should hire a tutor with the big bucks they make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Rex has been coordinating defenses for 15 years with overall a big degree of success. Now he needs to simplify it ? why? This isn't on Rex just like last year isn't on Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Mario Williams was quoted as saying "So now he decides to simplify things? %#@!" Yes and the dimpliest thing was to get rid of player who did not want to pay attention. How do you think these guys make it through college? Do you think they actually attend class? Does this mean the D won't be any good because we no longer have a "complex scheme"? Sure they do; Lawson has industrial engineering degree. Oops he is one of the players who actually GOT the scheme. Not coincidentally Mario Williams never graduated from NC, same school Lawson got degree from. I think PART of the reason why some coaches were dismissed because they were not communicating well with players changes they needed to make as part of scheme, something in past which Rex has used players from previous teams to do. This showed a weakness in coaching staff last year. Wish Rex realized it earlier before he let go some of the good coaches Bills had on defense. Looked like Ryan simplified things after the bye last season. Maybe not in terms of terminology, but certainly in terms of assignments and responsibilities. It helped Brown, too, that Lawson took over the field calls. It will be interesting to see how Brown reacts when he resumes defensive QB duties for the front seven. GO BILLS!!! It really surprised me that Brown "could not get it" being a coach's son. I do not believe he got his degree from Louisville either. Edited April 21, 2016 by Koolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Thanks for posting - I missed this too. I get how Rex would be conflicted. If I was a HC or coordinator, I'd want to out-scheme and out-smart my opponents. I could see myself falling into the trap of making things too complicated. But a lot of these players were not A students in college. And you want your D to make quick decisions and then act with aggression. Simple schemes executed with a high degree of violence and precision can be better than complicated schemes executed with self-doubt and confusion. The optimal balancing point between brilliant complexity and aggressive simplicity is tough to find. And it will vary from team to team, season to season, depending on the players. Rex has clearly reevaluated his defensive roster and is moving toward the simpler end of the continuum. Based on some of the things we've heard from the players and saw on the field last year, this is probably a wise move. Nice analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Yes and the dimpliest thing was to get rid of player who did not want to pay attention. Sure they do; Lawson has industrial engineering degree. Oops he is one of the players who actually GOT the scheme. Not coincidentally Mario Williams never graduated from NC, same school Lawson got degree from. I think PART of the reason why some coaches were dismissed because they were not communicating well with players changes they needed to make as part of scheme, something in past which Rex has used players from previous teams to do. This showed a weakness in coaching staff last year. Wish Rex realized it earlier before he let go some of the good coaches Bills had on defense. It really surprised me that Brown "could not get it" being a coach's son. I do not believe he got his degree from Louisville either. When I listened to the interview on Tuesday night, I didn't get the impression that Brown felt it was a difficult defense to learn in terms of intelligence. He said the confusing part was the number of checks on each play, and that was the part that he said was significantly reduced based on what they've seen thus far this week in meetings. He also said it is his understanding that the calls will be coming in sooner and whatever the issue was last year has been fixed. And still didn't seem to know who it was sending in the def. calls. Edited April 21, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 short bus style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'm a fan of starting simple, and then applying more complicated schemes once the base of the defense becomes natural, so that players aren't actively overthinking it. I agree, unlike when Marrone and company decided to run an up-tempo offense with a rookie QB in Manuel. Of course, EJ didn't have the time to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Sounds good to me. Now...about Marcel and Kyle dropping into coverage, can we simplify that too? You know, let them attack the oline instead of trying to cover someone or an area they have no business doing? Thanks Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Bosses and companies try to simplify things for their staff and employees all the time. Isn't that what management is all about, keeping things simple and efficient? Manufacturing Engineers do that. Bosses try to squeeze as much productivity out of an employee as possible without mistakes or injury. Coming from a manufacturing background this was the bulk of what we did as manufacturing and process engineers. I just caught this post. soory i posted as I caught up!! exactly correct. I have plenty of manufacturing within my resume to attest , that you are quite correct . When I went to the army's Officer Candidate School, all but one of the candidates in my class were college grads. Some came from prestigious universities. So we laughed when an instructor told us that all training materials for enlisted soldiers were written at the 10th grade level. Then he told us that all officer training materials were written at the 12th grade level and that humbled us. He explained that to be effective, training has to make sense to everyone, not just to the best and brightest. Clarity for everyone is key. Even the least analytical player with the poorest memory needs to understand the scheme and know his assignment for each call. and this is why the Army gets s++t done. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Sounds good to me. Now...about Marcel and Kyle dropping into coverage, can we simplify that too? You know, let them attack the oline instead of trying to cover someone or an area they have no business doing? Thanks Rex. That would be .... dopey. The best defenses had players drop in zone defenses; Both Denver's and Texans' defense did that with success but it helps when players are WILLING to do it not complain and barely make effort when they are called to do it. Never heard Kyle complaining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 As a former player and coach I can tell you this The more you require a player to "think" on a field the more it takes away from reactionary time, communication, and players start cheating on their basic fundamentals...... "Don't think, you'll only hurt the team" -Bull Durham Dumb it down for these mental giants. This game gets more complex as players get dumber. How does someone make it all the way through college and be unable to perform their job? Last time I checked, no boss I have ever had dumbed down jobs to appease the morons in the office. A person can have plenty of smarts, and if they're asked to process too much information, still not be able to process it fast enough to keep up with an equally talented athlete who's just getting after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 When I went to the army's Officer Candidate School, all but one of the candidates in my class were college grads. Some came from prestigious universities. So we laughed when an instructor told us that all training materials for enlisted soldiers were written at the 10th grade level. Then he told us that all officer training materials were written at the 12th grade level and that humbled us. He explained that to be effective, training has to make sense to everyone, not just to the best and brightest. Clarity for everyone is key. Even the least analytical player with the poorest memory needs to understand the scheme and know his assignment for each call. I took an optional ROTC course in college. The acronym instructions on how to clean your m16 or some of the other task were nothing short of brilliant. Simple, concise, clear and easy to remember. I was even more impressed when they walked us through how to report situations. That's why military people tend to be good at running things. They know communication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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