John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 So now the Bills need to draft QB Kevin Hogan to keep Hogan's Heroes alive. That might be the plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I am not counting on Goodwin for anything frankly......he has not shown that he deserves that  but that does not mean we dont have targets......there were a couple of WR's we brought in at the end of last year that I saw real potential in  That's good. Except 31 other teams didn't see enough out of Hankerson, Salas, Little, Boykin, Dez Lewis, and Walt Powell to want to acquire/keep them.  UDFAs and Street FAs are nothing to depend on going into the season. That's a wing and a prayer/delusional mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Food for thought; NE* now knows every teaching concept of Sanjay Lal and the intricacies of Roman's offense in Buffalo......... i thought water boarding was illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Ahem. We now have an extra 4th round and 6th round pick (compensatory). Whaley will replace him lickety split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I have to agree. so much vitriol for the lunch pail is unwarranted in my opinion. Â so you are actually mad at the Fans then? Lol!! Nope. I'm not mad at anyone. I just think Hogan is overrated because of what he does in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Lol!! Nope. I'm not mad at anyone. I just think Hogan is overrated because of what he does in training camp. I was just poking at you of course Jerry. Bills have not made enough use of the middle of the field, so my evaluation of Hogan is still incomplete. I was sure pissed when he was dropping balls till i found out about the wrist. Â some have mentioned he might fare better in NE. He might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Â And yet it is. Funny you can make that claim while also admitting you haven't watched the film. It happened on more than just catches, which is why the all 22s are enlightening. He consistently cut routes off short, and displayed over and over again that his field awareness is lacking. Which is what you'd expect from a guy who didn't play much football before coming to the NFL. Links would be welcome. Maybe he was told to cut off routes early because they wanted to be assured of at least some progress if not a first down (given that DBs give up the underneath stuff on third down in order to prevent conversions)? Teams almost always have an underneath guy for that reason--something is better than nothing if the primary option is taken away. More to the point, I think a lot of suppositions are being made here without much evidence. Saying that he ran short of the sticks on all-22s on plays he wasn't targeted doesn't tell me much. Â Regardless, it's probably not worth arguing about -- neither of us are honestly going to waste our time going over old all-22s scouting a former Bill's route tree. Â I expect that he'll do well with the Patriots, although for the Bills' sake I hope I'm wrong. Edited March 11, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I was just poking at you of course Jerry. Bills have not made enough use of the middle of the field, so my evaluation of Hogan is still incomplete. I was sure pissed when he was dropping balls till i found out about the wrist. Â some have mentioned he might fare better in NE. He might. I know, it's all good. I know Hogan struggled catching the ball because of his wrist injury, so that is understandable. But, he has a tendency to alligator-arm passes, plus when he tries and fights for the yards needed for the first down (on third down) by slanting, he usually ends up short, compared to if he just would have kept going straight, he would have picked up the first down. IMO, he's a great ST player, but he's a #4/5 type WR. I wish him luck in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â Da'rick once led the SEC in pages. Â Â Â This over-repeated bit was debunked many threads ago. Â Â Incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I'm actually pretty happy for the kid. He earned this payday coming in as a UDFA and working hard. Wish him the best against everyone but us. This is my attitude too. simple enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I expect that he'll do well with the Patriots, although for the Bills' sake I hope I'm wrong. Â I don't doubt he'll do better with Brady throwing him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 This is my attitude too. simple enough. Â Not so simple. If he does well, he hurts the Bills regardless of whether he's playing against our team or not. He'll be with a division opponent, so I hope he fails miserably as a waste of money for those cheating bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â Not so simple. If he does well, he hurts the Bills regardless of whether he's playing against our team or not. He'll be with a division opponent, so I hope he fails miserably as a waste of money for those cheating bastards. for me it is so simple. if we are the better team we should win regardless ! Now, Mario can burn in heck for all i care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He's better than Amendola and with LaFell gone, he could easily be the number 3 target on the team after Gronk and Edelman. I'm gonna laugh at the people who were bashing him when he's killing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He's better than Amendola and with LaFell gone, he could easily be the number 3 target on the team after Gronk and Edelman. I'm gonna laugh at the people who were bashing him when he's killing us. Â Because it's more important to be right than to cheer for your team to win. Â Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He's better than Amendola and with LaFell gone, he could easily be the number 3 target on the team after Gronk and Edelman. I'm gonna laugh at the people who were bashing him when he's killing us. Â How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â Because it's more important to be right than to cheer for your team to win. Â Got it. Â So true. Thanks, The Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Man, we've got a lot of talent walking out the door... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Man, we've got a lot of talent walking out the door... Â Yup. Which most everyone knew.Instead of improving through the draft we are now back at plugging holes in the draft...rinse and repeat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 That didn't take long. Â @RapSheet Chris Hogan will be a #Patriot. The #Bills declined their right of first refusal. @RapSheet The #Bills knew this morning they were destined to lose Chris Hogan. For the #Patriots, this was a player they've monitored for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â Yup. Which most everyone knew.Instead of improving through the draft we are now back at plugging holes in the draft...rinse and repeat.... Â a lot of teams have to purge some talent. look at the broncos. we've got some drafting to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â Yup. Which most everyone knew.Instead of improving through the draft we are now back at plugging holes in the draft...rinse and repeat.... Â Too bad the Bills have to abide by the rules of the salary cap like all of the other 31 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Â That didn't take long. Â @RapSheet Chris Hogan will be a #Patriot. The #Bills declined their right of first refusal. @RapSheet The #Bills knew this morning they were destined to lose Chris Hogan. For the #Patriots, this was a player they've monitored for years. Â Â Makes sense to decline quickly--the move gets processed and the Bills get back $1.1M in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 @RapSheet The full deal for #Patriots WR Chris Hogan: 3 yrs, $12M with $7.5M guaranteed and $5.5M in the first year. #Bills people seem happy for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Â Yup. Which most everyone knew.Instead of improving through the draft we are now back at plugging holes in the draft...rinse and repeat.... So you would have advocated paying Chris Hogan what the Patriots did when we have to pay Glenn, Gilmore and Taylor? What did you want them to do? Yes they have a need at WR. We also have a top 5-10 WR in all of football. Guess how many teams in the NFL have needs at various positions. 32. The Broncos have needs all over the field and they just won the Super Bowl. Edited March 11, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) @pschrags Some decency in league after all. Bills could have waited four days to inform Patriots/Hogan that they weren't matching. Did it in hours. Â @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that Edited March 11, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I wonder if Edelman is still so excited about wearing his Patriot panties everywhere he goes. Chris Hogan is make more than him this year lol nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 @JaySkurski Two thoughts on Chris Hogan's contract: 1. Good for him. That's life-changing money and a great opportunity for a former college lax player. 2. It makes sense for both teams. Patriots obviously think he can help them (and weaken Bills), Buffalo clearly looks at him as replaceable. @PSchrags Some decency in league after all. Bills could have waited four days to inform Patriots/Hogan that they weren't matching. Did it in hours. @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 @pschrags Some decency in league after all. Bills could have waited four days to inform Patriots/Hogan that they weren't matching. Did it in hours.  @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that  Nice of them to say, and while it was cool of the Bills, I believe it's more self-serving...they'll get the added cap space as soon as the transaction processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 We are a mediocre team losing talent and we will not be able to fill all of the holes through the draft. Sure, some of these players were back-ups, but what concerns me is whether we will be able to sign replacement players if we have injuries during training camp and once the season starts. We are really tight against the cap now. Â Any improvement for this season will need to come from more familiarity with the coaching staff's offensive and defensive systems, better coaching and growth from players like Taylor, Wakins etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016  @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that   Obviously does not follow TBD / know the truth about the Bills like we do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Obviously does not follow TBD / know the truth about the Bills like we do... Some people on TSW have Bitter Bills Face. They can't help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 @pschrags Some decency in league after all. Bills could have waited four days to inform Patriots/Hogan that they weren't matching. Did it in hours. Â @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Wow - I didn't know this many people would be upset that we let Hogan go. I don't dislike him, but he's not worth $4m/year to the Bills - nowhere close to that. Maybe he's a better fit in NE's offense and catches many more balls than he would have ever caught in Buffalo, but I still don't see how he's worth that type of money. Glad he got paid and looks like he has an opportunity to be a bigger part of the offense, but I'm not worried about replacing him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 @pschrags Some decency in league after all. Bills could have waited four days to inform Patriots/Hogan that they weren't matching. Did it in hours. @blakebaratz @PSchrags I give a lot of credit to the @buffalobills. Consistently one of the best organizations to deal with. I personally apprecitae that I think this approach helps the Bills. It was not that long ago they were seen as inept as an organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) We are a mediocre team losing talent and we will not be able to fill all of the holes through the draft. Sure, some of these players were back-ups, but what concerns me is whether we will be able to sign replacement players if we have injuries during training camp and once the season starts. We are really tight against the cap now. Â Any improvement for this season will need to come from more familiarity with the coaching staff's offensive and defensive systems, better coaching and growth from players like Taylor, Wakins etc. Â One of the things I liked that Buffalo did in 2014 was the Corey Graham signing. At the time they had Gilmore and McKelvin as the CB starters, but with teams throwing so much, you need 3 starting CBs. And it provided veteran depth at a critical position that typically costs good money. This gave the Bills a lot of flexibility and provided some insurance for injury. Â Now, I look all over the field and there's zero to little depth. QB, G, TE, WR, LB, CB, S, DL. Their depth players at those positions aren't really NFL starter or should be expected to fill in for an injured starter. Â And some people think the Bills will find 3 significant contributors out of the draft. Even last year, 2 of the 3 positions the Bills found "starters" were at easy to replace positions like RB and G. Try finding instant impact OTs, CB, and DL, particularly in rounds 2 and lower. Edited March 11, 2016 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He's going to put up really good numbers with N.E. I always thought he was a bit underrated, Happy for him, hopefully he doesn't do well against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Thank you Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) And some people think the Bills will find 3 significant contributors out of the draft. Even last year, 2 of the 3 positions the Bills found "starters" were at easy to replace positions like RB and G. Try finding instant impact OTs, CB, and DL, particularly in rounds 2 and lower. They found a starting CB in round 2 last year!!!! Edited March 11, 2016 by YattaOkasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 The bills bad play was not extending him last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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