Fixxxer Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Pay the man, he's one of the most if not the most dominant inside players in the NFL. .He's way better than McCoy and more complete than Suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 PFT picked it up and the comments under the tweet are from fans of other teams mostly calling him out for saying this after being offered 90m over 6, a year removed from double arrests and facing suspension week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Disappointed that he would say something like this. Â But I think things will get worked. Â Plus the Bills have the franchise tag, so I don't expect Dareus to be going anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) We are not lowballing him. Hopefully something can still be done before the season starts. It's lower than McCoy's 95 mil and Suh's 114 mil. I think he's more on Suh's level. He should be getting 100 mil or more. If he ever became a FA he would get over 100 million for certain. This is one instance the Bills need to just pay the man. He is a difference maker at the position and young. Â I don't have any problem with him stating how he feels. It's all negotiations at the end of the day. And he's right. He's worth closer to Suh money than McCoy. Obviously a man complaing about a 90 mil offer will rub many the wrong way, but as I always remind folks, pro sports is not a job at the office, plant, school, etc. In his industry the standard for pay, at his position, for players of his caliber, has been set. It's simple as that. Edited August 21, 2015 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 this is how negotiating works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I would start getting nervous if they got to the 100 mill range and he was still talking like this  Right now I am not worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I'm sure the Bills are using Dareus' immaturity to negotiate a lower guarantee and it's just a waste of time. Â When a player this young is this good at such a premier position, you write them a blank check. Â If Suh were as effective as Marcel he would be in Detroit still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So Suh has a $114 million deal, JJ Watt has a $100 million deal, and Hughes balks at $90 million? Come on, man. You're a great player. Pro bowl great. Maybe hall of fame great. But the best? No...I get tired of athletes sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Assuming the figures quoted are correct(6 new years, $90M), this is a $15M/year offer. Considering that Suh's contract is over $19M/year, I can see why Dareus is vocally upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We are not lowballing him. Hopefully something can still be done before the season starts. Actually they are that's why he's pissed he needs to get what he's looking for. Whaley needs to be really careful here and put his employee of the month plaque away. Pay this man.....don't F this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Assuming the figures quoted are correct(6 new years, $90M), this is a $15M/year offer. Considering that Suh's contract is over $19M/year, I can see why Dareus is vocally upset. Â Actually $14M (he's owed $8M this year + 6 years @ $90M). Â Someone should start a Kickstarter to "Raise money for Marcel" to really illustrate how silly his comment was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I love Dareus on the field but he's always struck me as incredibly immature. Doesn't he realize that this is how the game is played. Does he expect them to just throw money at him and not negotiate? Â And you don't think his comment was part of the negotiation? Â You don't think his agent told him to say something to that effect? Â In a $100 million negotiation, you don't think the agent is smart enough to script the narrative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 some of you are saying its 90mil he should be happy but its about his worth. yeah 90mil is a ton of money but if you have a set of skill that only a few humans on earth have and the others are getting 100mil it says you're worth 100. so 90 is 10% less. most of us have no idea what its like to be worth that much but you have to look at it in the terms of he's got one chance to make this kinda contract. i don't blame him at all. but I'm sure that they are negotiating and they are not done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) It's going to take $100 million. Cant't see him being happy with the $90 million offer... Â That's about it in todays NFL ! I'll play for the highest bidder it's getting ridiculous !! Â Then when they say "I have to do what's best for my family" WHO'S FAMILY COULDN"T LIVE ON $90 MILLION ?? Â DAM !! Edited August 21, 2015 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 some of you are saying its 90mil he should be happy but its about his worth. yeah 90mil is a ton of money but if you have a set of skill that only a few humans on earth have and the others are getting 100mil it says you're worth 100. so 90 is 10% less. most of us have no idea what its like to be worth that much but you have to look at it in the terms of he's got one chance to make this kinda contract. i don't blame him at all. but I'm sure that they are negotiating and they are not done. No one is blaming Marcel for feeling (and frankly...is) worth more then his counterparts are makign  It is the negotiating in the media that fans dont like (or i will just say I am speaking for myself and dont like it)  The team has been pretty good to Marcel.....they drafted him high.....they supported him through his recent years of trouble....  Now he deserves to get paid....keep it behind closed doors and dont make it a distraction to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The positive here is that it seems like he wants to stay. A guy with one foot out the door wouldn't be saying anything. Cough....byrd...cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Stop playing around and pay the man. If it costs them Glenn who cares. He is a middle of the road LT. Someone will give him Suh money if he hits the open market which would be very unlikely. I'm sure the fans in Detroit said the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreezeMafia Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 On the other hand, it could be a negotiating tactic just saying something like that. I agree. Â Question - did we hear Marcel say this or are we just reading news reports stating he said this? If its news reports, then its probably his agent. To be honest, Marcel looked pretty happy while on the sidelines during last nights ball game, including dousing Mario with water while Mario was getting interviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 I agree. Â Question - did we hear Marcel say this or are we just reading news reports stating he said this? If its news reports, then its probably his agent. To be honest, Marcel looked pretty happy while on the sidelines during last nights ball game, including dousing Mario with water while Mario was getting interviewed. he is quoted saying it all after the game last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Sigh, just pay the man.. Draft a new LT or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I always feared that this would become acrimonious. I don't blame Marcel for wanting to get his but I didn't want this to get played out through the press. Â Especially not so close to the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Sigh, just pay the man.. Draft a new LT or something. That's really what it comes down to. I think we all know this is not a "Terry is cheap" deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I love MD but I have a sinking feeling that he could turn into a Haynesworth once he gets his contract extension. Hope I'm wrong if he re-signs with Buffalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I am not surprised this is getting tetchy... Marcel kinda strikes me as that sort. Whaley may not negotiate through the media but Dareus' side have decided they are going to. This is a player I think the Bills have to find a way to keep, once Kyle and Mario leave the stage this guy has to become our leader of the defense, he is already arguably its best player. I have always felt like keeping Dareus will cost us someone though.... and that seems pretty much certain now. I am not surprised this is getting tetchy... Marcel kinda strikes me as that sort. Whaley may not negotiate through the media but Dareus' side have decided they are going to. This is a player I think the Bills have to find a way to keep, once Kyle and Mario leave the stage this guy has to become our leader of the defense, he is already arguably its best player. I have always felt like keeping Dareus will cost us someone though.... and that seems pretty much certain now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Just his agent talking. Doubtful there are direct talks between Dareus and the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Part if me wants to see what kind of havoc a pissed-off MD playing for a big contract would wreak on opposing offenses this year. Can always franchise him next year, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Simple business posturing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Just his agent talking. Doubtful there are direct talks between Dareus and the Bills. Â What are you talking about, this came straight from the Mouth of Dareus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Have to pay the guy, he's one of the elite interior linemen. Maybe give him more money, but less guaranteed with some incentives because he's shown in the past some bad characteristics after he gets paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Have to pay the guy, he's one of the elite interior linemen. Maybe give him more money, but less guaranteed with some incentives because he's shown in the past some bad characteristics after he gets paid. Â At what cost though? It is not that cut and dry. Continuing to increase Marcels contract could cost you Gilmore, Glenn and who knows what else. Â Unless they plan on cutting Kyle Williams and re-structuring Mario. You are planning on having nearly 55MM tied up on the D-line. Â Mario - 19MM Kyle - 8MM Hughes - 7.5MM Dareus - 19MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 He shouldn't be negotiating through the media. But pay the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I will be very surprised if the Bills can re-sign Dareus, Glenn and Gilmore and still stay under the salary cap. Â Which one could be traded for a 1st rd pick or more to replace with a affordable player ? The only time a good player has trade value is if he has at least 1 year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 What a douche. I'm okay with him pushing for more money, but claiming $15m/year is equivalent to saying guys like him are "a dime a dozen" is just dumb. He's a great player, but at ~$20m/yr the value he brings is largely offset by the sacrifices you have to make to keep him. Â Of course, I'm sure he could demand $30m/year and mathematically challenged morons would still chime in with the mind numbing "pay da man" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Â At what cost though? It is not that cut and dry. Continuing to increase Marcels contract could cost you Gilmore, Glenn and who knows what else. Â Unless they plan on cutting Kyle Williams and re-structuring Mario. You are planning on having nearly 55MM tied up on the D-line. Â Mario - 19MM Kyle - 8MM Hughes - 7.5MM Dareus - 19MM Signing Marcell will most likely cost us Mario rather than Bradham and Gilmore, but I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Â What are you talking about, this came straight from the Mouth of Dareus? His agent telling him what to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 $90 mil not fair? Give me a break let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 you can save a bunch of money by using the franchise tag of $10 mil in 2016 & $12 mil in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I will be very surprised if the Bills can re-sign Dareus, Glenn and Gilmore and still stay under the salary cap. Â Which one could be traded for a 1st rd pick or more to replace with a affordable player ? The only time a good player has trade value is if he has at least 1 year left on his contract. Â I got roasted for even suggesting trading gilmore in the past but that seems to be the easiest way to get us some cap relief. He will have the most trade value with one more year left on his deal and if he has a great year could we get a first for him? We could tag glenn and then use two firsts to load up on talent and replace gilmore and another skill position. Or get a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Â At what cost though? It is not that cut and dry. Continuing to increase Marcels contract could cost you Gilmore, Glenn and who knows what else. Â Unless they plan on cutting Kyle Williams and re-structuring Mario. You are planning on having nearly 55MM tied up on the D-line. Â Mario - 19MM Kyle - 8MM Hughes - 7.5MM Dareus - 19MM Fine by me. We won't be spending big elsewhere anytime soon *shrugs* Â Kyle is probably a year or two from retirement (I'd assume?). Mario could maybe be restructured? But also the cap is basically shooting upwards every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 you can save a bunch of money by using the franchise tag of $10 mil in 2016 & $12 mil in 2017.the Bills do have this leverage. But the Lions didn't use it with Suh because of how it would kill their cap. Would we be in the same boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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