Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate. Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade? a few things: the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT? how much $ would we save by trading Dion? what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick. I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here. Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG. Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return Edited March 5 by Warriorspikes51 2 6 3 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I came into this thread furious as the prospect, but then you actually kind of won me over a bit … but no, he’s still very good. The Chiefs angle is frustrating. I’m just so sick of guys not named Josh Allen, not stepping up. I had forgotten all about him getting dog walked on that play. It would be hilarious to me if we need to clear cap space and instead of doing anything ever to sacrifice the tiniest bit on defense, we just start trading away Josh Allen’s protection. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Careful your on a rough path that people will not agree with you on Dion. He’s the lovable fat guy so everyone likes him. 3 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I mean, the Bills would REALLY have to like VanDemark. I suppose it's possible, but above average LT's aren't too easy to come by, and Beane loved our starting line last year. That would be a big roll of the dice, imo. Everything is probably on the table this offseason, so who knows. But I can't see them trading Dion. And on a side note, I thought Mahomes was kind of a baby for chirping back on that after the game. His right to do, of course - but c'mon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Are we going to give Josh Allen? Any help this year or is he just expected to fend for himself? Some of the ideas on the board today have been absolutely stupid trading Milano trading our solid left tackle Stop this ***** 7 7 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BufBills83 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I would only extend him, I would not trade unless the deal was unbelievable. A second round pick isn't close to what I would trade him for. If we want to compete this year, we can't bank on Van Demark or a rookie coming in and holding down Allen's blindside. Dawkins is pretty good and we need the best o-line we can get. Plus, continuity on the o-line is important as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 So stupid. Extend. Dude was a top 10 LT this year. Plus OL chemistry. Keep the starting 5 together. I wouldn't even be shocked if we extend Morse another year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I don’t love Dawkins at top end payment, but he’s good. Extending him looks like the best play to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, Success said: I mean, the Bills would REALLY have to like VanDemark. I suppose it's possible, but above average LT's aren't too easy to come by, and Beane loved our starting line last year. That would be a big roll of the dice, imo. Everything is probably on the table this offseason, so who knows. But I can't see them trading Dion. And on a side note, I thought Mahomes was kind of a baby for chirping back on that after the game. His right to do, of course - but c'mon. I agree it’s not likely. Just curious mostly about the cap ramifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate. Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade? a few things: the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT? how much $ would we save by trading Dion? what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick. I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here. Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG. Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return He played very well for us last season. If you've got a decent to good Left Tackle, you hold on to them until the wheels fall off. Pro Bowl Starting Left Tackles don't fall from trees. Past Drafts are LITTERED with 1st or 2nd Round OT Draft Picks that were busts for their teams. We had one of our own with Cody Ford in recent memory. The idea of Trading him, especially this season is a laughable one. Much like I've mentioned with the idea of moving on from Morse this year, Beane on multiple occasions raved, unprompted, about how the OL last season was the best he's had since he's been here, at the Combine. I don't see us changing the Starting 5 anywhere in 2024. And Dion Dawkins is the most important piece on our Line. He'll be extended this Offseason or next Offseason. Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He played very well for us last season. If you've got a decent to good Left Tackle, you hold on to them until the wheels fall off. Pro Bowl Starting Left Tackles don't fall from trees. Past Drafts are LITTERED with 1st or 2nd Round OT Draft Picks that were busts for their teams. We had one of our own with Cody Ford in recent memory. The idea of Trading him, especially this season is a laughable one. Much like I've mentioned with the idea of moving on from Morse this year, Beane on multiple occasions raved, unprompted, about how the OL last season was the best he's had since he's been here. I don't see us changing the Starting 5 anywhere in 2024. And Dion Dawkins is the most important piece on our Line. He'll be extended this Offseason or next Offseason. I’m inclined to agree with you on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Regarding Dawkins the only thing that I would do as a team is, give him a mandate that he needs to come into camp in shape, and not use training camp to get himself in shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate. Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade? a few things: the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT? how much $ would we save by trading Dion? what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick. I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here. Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG. Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return I agree with just about everything you stated but there’s way too much unknown (contract value/verbage) to make an intelligent decision but that divisional rd game against the Chiefs where he got pushed right into Josh really pissed me off, he’s been talking way too much for my liking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I think he gets extended as part of the cap reduction plan. He’s overall solid and already here. He’s a leader on offense and has plenty of good years left. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 He’s getting extended he’s one of the leaders of the offense and he has the attitude that oline needs to keep its edge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 We FINALLY have a decent O-Line, no glaring holes, and all 5 starters coming back. No way I'd create another hole. Do you guys not remember having Saffold? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Dawkins isn’t elite by any stretch but he is absolutely a starting LT. We’ve seen how hard it is to fill the opposite side… If Brown reverts to his play at stretches to the start of last season and the years prior on top of getting rid of Dawkins it won’t matter. Extend him, reduce his cap hit and keep that line in tact. They’re a solid group together. Do need to start looking forward a bit more and get some potential that can replace them if needed but not right now… Dont do Josh dirty for another few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Extend he put in his best season since 2019 and he’s shown a better commitment to conditioning. I am all about not ***** around with the offensive line. Keep the starting 5 intact get a good heir apparent for Mitch in place, bring back Edwards and keep developing depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 41 minutes ago, mrags said: Careful your on a rough path that people will not agree with you on Dion. He’s the lovable fat guy so everyone likes him. Yeah could be that, or, and hear me out on this one, people are sick of reading about completely nonsensical trades. Just in the last 12 hours people have wanted to trade away the starting LT and the all pro linebacker. Now let’s throw in the large amount of fans who for some reason also want to trade away the team’s top receiver, who still by the way is a top 10 receiver in the league. Could be that too, just saying 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Yeah could be that, or, and hear me out on this one, people are sick of reading about completely nonsensical trades. Just in the last 12 hours people have wanted to trade away the starting LT and the all pro linebacker. Now let’s throw in the large amount of fans who for some reason also want to trade away the team’s top receiver, who still by the way is a top 10 receiver in the league. Could be that too, just saying Diggs….is that you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Yeah could be that, or, and hear me out on this one, people are sick of reading about completely nonsensical trades. Just in the last 12 hours people have wanted to trade away the starting LT and the all pro linebacker. Now let’s throw in the large amount of fans who for some reason also want to trade away the team’s top receiver, who still by the way is a top 10 receiver in the league. Could be that too, just saying I think it’s the Madden effect… Some crazy moves can be made to better your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate. Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade? a few things: the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT? I would like to extend Dawkins while also drafting a T no later than Rd 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 You don't lose you're starting LT unless you have a plan to have a starting LT, Dawkins was great last year, this is dumb and everyone was talking about the Chiefs having to play an away game in the Playoffs not just Dawkins and his remarks weren't *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 Just now, Warcodered said: You don't lose you're starting LT unless you have a plan to have a starting LT, Dawkins was great last year, this is dumb and everyone was talking about the Chiefs having to play an away game in the Playoffs not just Dawkins and his remarks weren't *****. Really? Apparently his remarks were meaningful enough for Mahomes to go on his social media to troll Dion by quoting him after the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Really? Apparently his remarks were meaningful enough for Mahomes to go on his social media to troll Dion by quoting him after the game Sure, he gave him something to clap back on. That's about it. I have to agree that the idea that Patrick Mahomes was inspired to play better against us than he would have already is kind of a silly idea. Patrick Mahomes was going to bring the same game to our doorstep no matter what anyone said. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Sure, he gave him something to clap back on. That's about it. I have to agree that the idea that Patrick Mahomes was inspired to play better against us than he would have already is kind of a silly idea. Patrick Mahomes was going to bring the same game to our doorstep no matter what anyone said. It was a bonus for them. KC loves taking soundbites / any sort of comment against them to motivate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It was a bonus for them. KC loves taking soundbites / any sort of comment against them to motivate "Bulletin Board Material" motivation is so overplayed by fans and media. The Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes specifically were going to bring the same level of play and commitment to excellence to us en route to the Super Bowl either way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: "Bulletin Board Material" motivation is so overplayed by fans and media. The Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes specifically were going to bring the same level of play and commitment to excellence to us en route to the Super Bowl either way. You’re right of course. They’re a championship team so they were already motivated. But I do think they, and especially Mahomes, relish these little trash talks. Look at the Bengals burrowhead stuffs last year. They’re also smart about it. They don’t say anything but compliments to their opponents before the games. Then let their opponents know they heard all the chatter after they beat them. Some people on the Bills should take notes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) Trade? Geez, no. Extend? Definitely could be if it makes financial sense. 4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Really? Apparently his remarks were meaningful enough for Mahomes to go on his social media to troll Dion by quoting him after the game Really. Going on social media - essentially to say "nyah nyah" - after the game has zero correlation to playing better because you're more motivated. I didn't like it either. But it is not important to the Chiefs performance. Edited March 5 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Yesterday some knucklehead wants to trade for Milano, our best defensive player, and now a question is of the best O Lineman we have who btw is a multi-year pro bowler. There is no way we would trade Dawkins. Just because you’re thought on the other guy who is a backup is to dump the best we have or is this just because he jaws at times. So does half the league. Im from a time it’s wasn’t done, but things change. I’ve accepted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Tomorrow’s topic will be “should we trade James Cook?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 What would you get for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 You never trade away a healthy quality LT never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 45 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: Tomorrow’s topic will be “should we trade James Cook?” By the time we get to Friday someone will be asking if we should trade Josh Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 He's a reliable, rarely injured, and above average left tackle. Extend him as tackles don't grow on trees in today's NFL. I also wouldn't hesitate to at least gauge the temperature of what Spencer Brown is looking for in a future contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Someone like Dawkins should have a price beane is willing to part with him for. Can you get a late first or second round pick you could replace him with on a cost controlled contract? Risky? Sure but at some point you cannot keep extending and doing salary to bonus conversions. I think it is highly unlikely but for the right price sure I’d do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate. Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade? a few things: the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT? how much $ would we save by trading Dion? what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick. I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here. Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG. Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return I doubt were getting much in return for him and Ryan VanDemark is not a starting left tackle. Dion needs to shut his mouth an just play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 hours ago, Warcodered said: You don't lose you're starting LT unless you have a plan to have a starting LT This. As much as Dawkins’ weight scares me I think an extension makes sense. Limit the guaranteed money to this season and next. That way we can get out if the weight becomes a real issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 hours ago, mrags said: Careful your on a rough path that people will not agree with you on Dion. He’s the lovable fat guy so everyone likes him. It's not that. He is good, a great teammate and most importantly, Josh trusts his blindside with him there. That last part matters more than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Extend. He is a solid starting LT. Besides I want him here just for the Jets games since Dion "loves" them so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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