FireChans Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) So let’s fast forward to February 2025. The Bills either beat the Chiefs in a nail biter or somehow escape the bracket without having to face them. They win the AFCCG against the Texans or Ravens or whoever. Then we get to the big one. It’s versus the Eagles or the Cowboys (lol). And it’s a competitive game. A couple plays don’t go our way (defensively, turnovers whatever) and we lose. Do we still think Sean McDermott is a loser wasting our golden boys’ prime? Or is he still a good, but unlucky, coach? Edited February 27 by FireChans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Nope, he’s still a loser till he’s a winner. 4 1 1 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) It's all about winning the big games. To this point, he has performed progressively worse the bigger the moments get. Until he wins in the biggest moments, I won't have an ounce of faith that he can. If he leads this team to a Super Bowl win, I will be the first in line for my plate of crow. I just have no reason to believe he will ever overcome his panic in the biggest situations enough to win one. I pray that I am wrong, though. Edited February 26 by sven233 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 54 minutes ago, sven233 said: It's all about winning the big games. To this point, he has performed progressively worse the bigger the moments get. Until he wins in the biggest moments, I won't have an ounce of faith that he can. If he leads this team to a Super Bowl win, I will be the first in line for my plate of crow. I just have no reason to believe he will ever overcome his panic in the biggest situations enough to win one. I pray that I am wrong, though. Does the AFCCG become less of a big game because he wins it though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. 2 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 It would depend a lot on how we got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 How about the Bills get past the Divisional round before projecting what 'they' will think of McD if he loses a SB. Why are you so worried about what people think about McD anyway 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. You're bold, Buffalo Billy. People get way too dug into their opinions? While you're telling us what people will say after McD wins his 2nd and 3rd SBs? 🤣 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, FireChans said: So let’s fast forward to February 2024. The Bills either beat the Chiefs in a nail biter or somehow escape the bracket without having to face them. They win the AFCCG against the Texans or Ravens or whoever. Then we get to the big one. It’s versus the Eagles or the Cowboys (lol). And it’s a competitive game. A couple plays don’t go our way (defensively, turnovers whatever) and we lose. Do we still think Sean McDermott is a loser wasting our golden boys’ prime? Or is he still a good, but unlucky, coach? No I will still blame you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) Ok so I will be the jerk Rewind to February 2024 you mean Dammit it would be February 2025 Sorry I have to be the bad guy Edited February 27 by scuba guy Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 13 minutes ago, scuba guy said: Ok so I will be the jersey Rewind to February 2024 you mean Dammit it would be February 2025 Sorry I have to be the bad guy Haha edited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 No, it's (unfortunately) exactly what I expect will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 38 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. If he wins 3 Bills fans will be proclaiming him greater than Lombardi, Belichek, and Reid combined 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 51 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. You lost me at ‘wins two’ superbowls. Couldn’t stop laughing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 58 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. Ahhh, we call that the “Let’s see how Mahomes does without Tyreek” phenomenon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Nothing changes amongst those who have no ability to see a wider picture, they are the ones who will complain about something or another even if we win it all…, I would see it as the next step forward in some fashion or another, 😁👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 It would still be significant forward progress. For me, it would depend on how/why we lost the SB. A fake punt call giving the ball to the worst player on the active roster would want me to have him fired. Not that he’d ever do that in a post season game. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On its own? Can't answer, too vague. How good were the Bills? How about their opponent? What was the final score? Were there turnovers (Buf turns the ball over four times, that's not on the coach). Were we in position for a winning chip-shot FG we shanked. Did McD blow the game through poor clock management? Did he play it too safe and punt on 4th and 3 with one minute left? Too many variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Since McBeane got here, this organization has been very consistent. Currently they're consistent at losing 1 or 2 games before the Super Bowl. In your hypothetical scenario where they make the Super Bowl, that would be an improvement, so my opinion of McD would either stay the same or improve. If he figures out how to get to the Super Bowl, I assume he would eventually figure out how to win it. The guy still has a long coaching career ahead of him if he wants it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It would still be significant forward progress. For me, it would depend on how/why we lost the SB. A fake punt call giving the ball to the worst player on the active roster would want me to have him fired. Not that he’d ever do that in a post season game. Forward progress isn't even really a standard here though, let alone significant. We've had 3 straight Division Round exits in a row and half the fanbase wants him back. He's got it made here, he doesn't have to do or show anything more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 If he gets to one he will have gone further than I thought he could. I would have to recognize that and would be happy to do so. 58 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Forward progress isn't even really a standard here though, let alone significant. We've had 3 straight Division Round exits in a row and half the fanbase wants him back. He's got it made here, he doesn't have to do or show anything more. He needs to be better that the AFC east from what it appears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I was an econ major in college. The answer is either it goes up, goes down, or in most cases it depends. In this case it depends. If he gets to the SuperBowl and his defense collapses again, there is a 13 second repeat, or he botches the game management then I would fire him and hire Belichick the next day. If they just lose and it is not coaching related, then he comes back for 2025. The Tony Dungy parallels with this guy are just so disheartening. It will take Allen willing this team to a playoff run and SuperBowl championship to overcome McDermott. Then McDermott can thank his God like Dungy did even though we all know this team is all about our savior Josh Allen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Sometimes I wonder why I keep coming back here. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 There is nothing that the man could do to make these Arm chair QB's & Head coaches consider him a winner . Like others if he came over gave them a bar of gold they would complain it isn't shiny enough, if he washed their car they would tell him how many spots he missed, And if he gave them a beer it wouldn't be cold enough . But when he does win a Super Bowl i'm going to write a post in all caps that tells them all to go P**S up a rope while having a video of Toby Keith's song How Do You Like Me Now !! GO BILLS !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 15 hours ago, FireChans said: So let’s fast forward to February 2025. The Bills either beat the Chiefs in a nail biter or somehow escape the bracket without having to face them. They win the AFCCG against the Texans or Ravens or whoever. Then we get to the big one. It’s versus the Eagles or the Cowboys (lol). And it’s a competitive game. A couple plays don’t go our way (defensively, turnovers whatever) and we lose. Do we still think Sean McDermott is a loser wasting our golden boys’ prime? Or is he still a good, but unlucky, coach? I'll put this in terms that anyone can understand. McDermott should achieve, at least once, what Bill Belichick and Andy Reid have done multiple times: a Super Bowl victory. If he doesn't, he's no better than any other coach the Bills have had. Right now, to me, he's the Marvin Lewis of Marty Schottenheimers, until complete post season success is achieved. A bit harsh of me? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 19 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. Disagree. Winning cures all. If the Bills finally win it, then that will set off an epic celebration all around WNY and McDermott would instantly become the greatest HC in Bills history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I was an econ major in college. The answer is either it goes up, goes down, or in most cases it depends. In this case it depends. If he gets to the SuperBowl and his defense collapses again, there is a 13 second repeat, or he botches the game management then I would fire him and hire Belichick the next day. If they just lose and it is not coaching related, then he comes back for 2025. The Tony Dungy parallels with this guy are just so disheartening. It will take Allen willing this team to a playoff run and SuperBowl championship to overcome McDermott. Then McDermott can thank his God like Dungy did even though we all know this team is all about our savior Josh Allen! I minored in Latin American literature and the answer is nothing will change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeLLy1278 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 My opinion of him would improve because he would hypothetically manage to get further in the playoffs. It would be a bitter sweet accomplishment like the other Super Bowl appearances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) Doug Pederson and Nick Foles won a Super Bowl together, and it was over Belichick and Brady. It's not crazy at all to think McDermott and Allen can win once, especially since it can't be against KC. Lions? 49ers? Eagles? Cowboys? Rams? I'm not scared. Edited February 27 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: Doug Pederson and Nick Foles won a Super Bowl together, and it was over Belichick and Brady. It's not crazy at all to think McDermott and Allen can win once, especially since it can't be against KC. Lions? 49ers? Eagles? Cowboys? Rams? I'm not scared. Getting past the Chiefs and Bengals now that Burrow is back won't be easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Only chance we have of making it to the SB under McD is if Burrows and Mahomes both sustain season ending injuries in the same season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I minored in Latin American literature and the answer is nothing will change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I thought your last poll was the poll to end all polls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 19 minutes ago, Gregg said: Getting past the Chiefs and Bengals now that Burrow is back won't be easy. ...and the Ratbirds, Browns, Texans, Chargers, maybe Pittsburgh, Jax.....the AFC has some really good teams, nothing is a given... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 We are doomed. Again….. 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Is everyone else getting a free pass then if we make a SB and lose? What about personnel and their performance? Injuries? McD isn't out there catching balls and blocking defenders. He's not a magical witch doctor either, mending ACL's with the stroke of his magic wand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 no because i don't hold a negative view of mcd anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 We have zero faith McD will even take us to the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 My opinion on McDermott changes week to week depending upon whether we win or lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) On 2/26/2024 at 6:42 PM, FireChans said: So let’s fast forward to February 2025. The Bills either beat the Chiefs in a nail biter or somehow escape the bracket without having to face them. They win the AFCCG against the Texans or Ravens or whoever. Then we get to the big one. It’s versus the Eagles or the Cowboys (lol). And it’s a competitive game. A couple plays don’t go our way (defensively, turnovers whatever) and we lose. Do we still think Sean McDermott is a loser wasting our golden boys’ prime? Or is he still a good, but unlucky, coach? Come on now! We all know perfectly well it won't change for that group, a very small minority that for some reason is greatly exaggerated in its size, even when the Bills WIN the Super Bowl. For most of them, it isn't about logic or facts, but just irrational emotion, hatred. In fact, they will likely hate McDermott, a born winner, even more at that point. In fact, if the Bills win two Super Bowls in a row, and then go 10-7 and miss the playoffs the following year, we all know, almost a certainty, that they would be calling for his head. Edited February 28 by Mister Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/26/2024 at 4:56 PM, BuffaloBillyG said: I'll make a bold statement. People will for the most part make excuses to support their current thinking. McDermott wins one; many detractors will say it was luck. He wins two it will be "Josh won in spite of him being the coach". He wins 3 and it'll be some other reasoning. People get way too dug into their opinions. If all that happened I’d say he learned how to Coach correctly. I believe in putting your time in. He’s learning every year. We hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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