Warriorspikes51 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: To me it doesn’t change a whole lot. Most of the moves that got us to $25 under were simple moves that the Bills make no matter what. Also we have to remember that contracts are mostly done by cap %. Meaning every player in the league just got a raise also. Cap going up doesn’t really change plans. it can if the Bills want it to. This can give us the opportunity to at least pursue a higher level of UFA’s. Cap hits can be spread out with void years. An extra 13 mil is 1 or 2 starters depending on position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: it can if the Bills want it to. This can give us the opportunity to at least pursue a higher level of UFA’s. Cap hits can be spread out with void years. An extra 13 mil is 1 or 2 starters depending on position But they could’ve done this anyway. The biggest thing it changes is future cap management. They likely projected where the cap would be 2-3 years down the road. Now they have a better idea. Still probably doesn’t change much. Josh Allen just became a $60+ million QB with this news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: To me it doesn’t change a whole lot. Most of the moves that got us to $25 under were simple moves that the Bills make no matter what. Also we have to remember that contracts are mostly done by cap %. Meaning every player in the league just got a raise also. Cap going up doesn’t really change plans. I would rather have $38m though than $25m .. Like I said, it’s not gunna get them Higgins, but it might make the difference for them getting someone else , for example a next level down WR they otherwise would have missed out on … Edited February 24 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Ralph is rolling over in his grave. RIP Mr. Wilson. Cash to the cap… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I would rather have $38m though than $25m .. Like I said, it’s not gunna get them Higgins, but it might make the difference for them getting someone else , for example a next level down WR they otherwise would have missed out on … They can get any player they want. Just because a player has a $25 million per year average doesn’t mean their cap hit is $25 million. Look at future Bills contracts. They really don’t have any must sign players coming up. No elite players due a contract soon. They have the ability to get out of 3 huge contracts over the next couple years, Miller, Diggs, and White. So they have room for a big contract backloaded. Like last year they were in a similar situation but still gave Ed Oliver 4 years $68 million. His 1st year cap # was $5 million or so. Von Miller’s $120 million contract was also $5 million in year 1. Deonte Harty’s $10 million deal was $4 million year 1. It’s all about years and structure. Bills can do anything they want, just push big cap to the future. Edited February 24 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 However, somewhere as the news broke, Al Davis’ progeny “el cheapo with no casho” was shuddering at the news… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 9 hours ago, jkeerie said: Sneed and Jones will both now play hardball. No hometown discounts. They will want top dollar...which they deserve. We’ll see. Jones already said he’s coming back. I’m sure they’ll work something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 hours ago, beebe said: The Bills would be better served hyper focusing on the draft. Free agency is a poison pill if trying to land a big name guy. You're competing against other teams trying to fill the same positional need, and to get the player you desire, that almost always means overpaying (that will be especially true this year with added cap space.) Most important, you're overpaying for a player who performed well in someone else's system. How they'll translate to your system, or what made them successful in the prior system, is often highly unpredictable. I think this $13 million simply eases the ability to get that handfull of $2-3 million one-year deals that fill holes and give you essential depth players. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 10 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I mean, I am looking over some of the recommended cuts and it's incredibly east to shed $49M Yes, but we don’t want to restructure Diggs, Miller, or Knox… The Bills will want to leave themselves an out, after the ‘24 season, if they want to cut bait with these guys… I think that eventually getting free of those contracts will be crucial in Phase 2 of the rebuild…👍 Edited February 24 by JaCrispy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: To me it doesn’t change a whole lot. Most of the moves that got us to $25 under were simple moves that the Bills make no matter what. Also we have to remember that contracts are mostly done by cap %. Meaning every player in the league just got a raise also. Cap going up doesn’t really change plans. Correct for those early days of free agency guys. But I suspect the Bills would have, and still will, be very quiet in that period. I am thinking max 3 guys (a starting calibre safety, a depth wide receiver and a 1T defensive tackle - if Jones is not kept) more likely 1 or 2. The reason it helps teams like the Bills more is because it gives more freedom to operate in the dust settled free agent market. Those contracts typically don't keep up with the cap inflation to the same level. It basically gives them the freedom to make a Leonard Floyd type move in May or June which was going to be tricky previously. 14 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yes, but we don’t want to restructure Diggs, Miller, or Knox… The Bills will want to leave themselves an out, after the ‘24 season, if they want to cut bait with these guys… I think that eventually getting free of those contracts will be crucial in Phase 2 of the rebuild…👍 They will restructure Knox - 100%. They won't touch Miller. I think they will really try not to touch Diggs too. 1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said: We’ll see. Jones already said he’s coming back. I’m sure they’ll work something out. Jones is almost a certainty to be back in KC IMO. Sneed might be trickier. He is a hard decision for KC. He has played 1 year of full time outside corner. He was a top 5 or 6 guy this year but can him a top outside corner rate based on one year? Before that he was a slot. If he wants top of the market money I suspect they'd let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If the Bills are interested, Michael Pittman Jr is now a possibility considering his age, growth, ability and friendship with Josh Allen I think he’s getting franchised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They can get any player they want. Just because a player has a $25 million per year average doesn’t mean their cap hit is $25 million. Look at future Bills contracts. They really don’t have any must sign players coming up. No elite players due a contract soon. They have the ability to get out of 3 huge contracts over the next couple years, Miller, Diggs, and White. So they have room for a big contract backloaded. Like last year they were in a similar situation but still gave Ed Oliver 4 years $68 million. His 1st year cap # was $5 million or so. Von Miller’s $120 million contract was also $5 million in year 1. Deonte Harty’s $10 million deal was $4 million year 1. It’s all about years and structure. Bills can do anything they want, just push big cap to the future. I don't suspect they will sign a $25M type free agent of course.........but yeah a big, long term contract is easy to put a small first year cap hit on so long as Beane is willing to guarantee base salaries and Terry Pegula keeps signing those checks. I wouldn't be astonished if they signed, say, Danielle Hunter to a Von Miller-esque contract to replace Von Miller. Because the biggest difference between the Bills roster and the Chiefs roster is that the Bills don't have a game wrecker like Chris Jones on defense. I don't know that Hunter is good enough to be that guy but 16 sacks and 80 tackles is absolutely elite edge production. The reason he might make it to the market and do so for significantly less than $30M aav is because there are concerns about his neck holding up long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Yes, but we don’t want to restructure Diggs, Miller, or Knox… The Bills will want to leave themselves an out, after the ‘24 season, if they want to cut bait with these guys… I think that eventually getting free of those contracts will be crucial in Phase 2 of the rebuild…👍 My path did none on those things: Josh restructure: 22M Extensions for Dawkins, Taron and Rasul Douglas- ~6M in savings per by most estimates for ~18M Cut Harty- 4m Cut or pay it Hines -2-5 million Cut Siran Neal- 3 M There, even on conservative estimates that gets to my states amount without doing any of the stuff you were worried about. That means Von and Knox are cuttable or the Bills at least have leverage to redo the contract Diggs is the one I really scratch my head on that people are so terrified of. With his money he's already almost a lock for 2025 and in his worst year with us was still top 15 in receiving yards and yet it's become a personal crusade to show him the door 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I wrote this 6 months ago the speculation was $256 mil, so off by 1. We’re goi g to be. Fine with a couple of restructures. 10 picks is a lot of cheap labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 18 hours ago, jkeerie said: Sneed and Jones will both now play hardball. No hometown discounts. They will want top dollar...which they deserve. Who’s Sneed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: Now they can keep Sneed and Jones And sign evans or Pittman 🤮 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This isn't nearly going to have the effect many in this thread think it will. The big winners from this news will be the Tier 2 free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: My path did none on those things: Josh restructure: 22M Extensions for Dawkins, Taron and Rasul Douglas- ~6M in savings per by most estimates for ~18M Cut Harty- 4m Cut or pay it Hines -2-5 million Cut Siran Neal- 3 M There, even on conservative estimates that gets to my states amount without doing any of the stuff you were worried about. That means Von and Knox are cuttable or the Bills at least have leverage to redo the contract Diggs is the one I really scratch my head on that people are so terrified of. With his money he's already almost a lock for 2025 and in his worst year with us was still top 15 in receiving yards and yet it's become a personal crusade to show him the door I agree with everything you said here… Just pertaining to the last part about people wanting to show Diggs the door, I just want the Bills to be as flexible as possible just in case things go south in a hurry… And I’m willing to sacrifice a little, in the ‘24 season… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They can get any player they want. Just because a player has a $25 million per year average doesn’t mean their cap hit is $25 million. Look at future Bills contracts. They really don’t have any must sign players coming up. No elite players due a contract soon. They have the ability to get out of 3 huge contracts over the next couple years, Miller, Diggs, and White. So they have room for a big contract backloaded. Like last year they were in a similar situation but still gave Ed Oliver 4 years $68 million. His 1st year cap # was $5 million or so. Von Miller’s $120 million contract was also $5 million in year 1. Deonte Harty’s $10 million deal was $4 million year 1. It’s all about years and structure. Bills can do anything they want, just push big cap to the future. This is where I feel like I’m missing something when people talk about future cap. Diggs, Von and Knox are all contracts we can get out of with relative ease after this upcoming season. White is in a similar boat this year. If we draft a Safety this year, we might be doing it again next year to replace Poyer. Morse is always a year to year thing it seems. We have to replace those guys, but it’s not like Von & White have been able to help us much anyway. Knox & Diggs need a redemption season or they’ll fall into the same category as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Doesn’t matter. Ralph is STILL cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 13 hours ago, Virgil said: Chiefs have 28 mil in cap space. They can easily bring back Jones and add pieces. Hooray They rebuilt most of their Oline and D in just 2 years. Plus maitaining all that cap space despite paying big QB money. Smart drafting and trades. They will get better next year. We can only hope we don't watch reruns of the last 3 seasons but it's feeling that way, at least right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The problem the Bills have is Beanne and giving guys these big contracts who are either too old or not stars. Everyone talking about the White and Miller deals and what about the Dawson Knox contract with cap hits of 14 & 15 million over next 2 seasons. You can replace what you get from Dawson Knox with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He is not a star, he drops passes and yet we pay him the same the Chiefs pay Kelce . 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 This also just in. The NFL has received numerous letters from Chiefs, Dolphins, and Steelers fans complaining about how the OT playoff rules changing, and the Steelers vs Bills playoff game being moved due to being "cold", are now saying the 12 million dollar increase over salary cap expectations is to help the Bills because Allen can't win the big one and they are sick of the Buffalo favoritism. More on this story as it develops 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Westside said: Who’s Sneed? L'Jarius Sneed is the Chiefs number one CB who had a season that rivaled Gilmore's best. 13 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: We’ll see. Jones already said he’s coming back. I’m sure they’ll work something out. They likely will unless Jones gets a lights out offer elsewhere. Still...if Jones is looking for $28M plus per season, that will tie up a lot of capspace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 20 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: No, just not a sucker or boot licker for everything the Bills do as "winning". But go ahead with your bad self Charlie Sheen. Enjoy the participation trophies. Edited February 24 by Gunsgoodtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/23/2024 at 1:27 PM, beebe said: The Bills would be better served hyper focusing on the draft. Free agency is a poison pill if trying to land a big name guy. You're competing against other teams trying to fill the same positional need, and to get the player you desire, that almost always means overpaying (that will be especially true this year with added cap space.) Most important, you're overpaying for a player who performed well in someone else's system. How they'll translate to your system, or what made them successful in the prior system, is often highly unpredictable. Naw, the bills need to fill all their needs in free agency so they can draft the best players available in the draft. if they just ignore free agency, they are going to be forced to draft starters at DT, DE, and Safety in the draft even if they aren't the best available. They shouldn't go after top tier free agents, unless there is a special circumstance like a one year deal. But they still need to get some quality players in free agency that can be a starter if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: This also just in. The NFL has received numerous letters from Chiefs, Dolphins, and Steelers fans complaining about how the OT playoff rules changing, and the Steelers vs Bills playoff game being moved due to being "cold", are now saying the 12 million dollar increase over salary cap expectations is to help the Bills because Allen can't win the big one and they are sick of the Buffalo favoritism. More on this story as it develops I’m sure the NFL will act on these complaints straight away.. From what I have seen.. Chiefs fans are happy because it benefits them in retaining Sneed and Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Green Lightning said: They rebuilt most of their Oline and D in just 2 years. Plus maitaining all that cap space despite paying big QB money. Smart drafting and trades. They will get better next year. We can only hope we don't watch reruns of the last 3 seasons but it's feeling that way, at least right now. The OL was a legit rebuild. Their DL revolves around Chris Jones. It’s easy to have guys like Omenihu and Karlaftis look good with the best DT in the league in the middle. Rousseau and Epenesa would dominate off the edge with Chris Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said: No, just not a sucker or boot licker for everything the Bills do as "winning". But go ahead with your bad self Charlie Sheen. Enjoy the participation trophies. Thanks for confirming it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: The OL was a legit rebuild. Their DL revolves around Chris Jones. It’s easy to have guys like Omenihu and Karlaftis look good with the best DT in the league in the middle. Rousseau and Epenesa would dominate off the edge with Chris Jones. Not dominate but it would certainly help them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) On 2/24/2024 at 6:24 AM, GunnerBill said: They will restructure Knox - 100%. They won't touch Miller. I think they will really try not to touch Diggs too. Agreed, and I'd love not to touch both Miller and Diggs. But do you think it is actually possible? If I do all the basic conversions + all the expected extensions (Dawkins, Johnson, Douglas) + cut Hines & Harty I end up with about $20M in cap space and about 38 NFL players. Then I add 7 draft picks (I hope 7+ make the roster) for $10M + $4M for PS players I end up with maybe $6M for remaining 8 players we need and at least 1-2 of them will be midsize FA. I know we can still cut White/Morse maybe Neal/Poyer and there could possibly be some paycuts but I'd be truly surprised if Beane manages not to convert Diggs or Miller. I'd love that though and I hope Beane sees it the same way. Edited February 25 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Agreed, and I'd love not to touch both Miller and Diggs. But do you think it is actually possible? If I do all the basic conversions + all the expected extensions (Dawkins, Johnson, Dougles) + cut Hines & Harty I end up with about $20M in caps space and about 38 NFL players. Then I add 7 draft picks (I hope 7+ make the roster) for $10M + $4M for PS players I end up with maybe $6M for remaining 8 players we need and at least 1-2 of the will be midsize FA. I know we can still cut White/Morse maybe Neal/Poyer and there could possibly be some paycuts but I'd be truly surprised if Beane manages not to convert Diggs or Miller. I'd love that though and I hope Beane sees it the same way. It is tight. I did my workings out in another thread recently and got to about $20m, but that was on the assumed $242m cap and included cutting Von (June 1) and Mitch Morse. I can now see a route to keeping Mitch and either a restructure adding a void year or even possibly a paycut (I think Mitch will only carry on playing in Buffalo, if it isn't here I guess he retires so maybe he'd be willing to take a bit less than the $6.8m base salary he is due i.e. the bit of the contract that isn't guaranteed). So on the $255m cap.... I think you can do it. But it doesn't leave a lot of space for signings and aside from a 1T and a safety where I think they will need to bring in at least starting calibre players (or retain Jones at 1T) they will need to sign a handful of other vet minimum types to provide some depth competition going into camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/24/2024 at 6:58 AM, Green Lightning said: They rebuilt most of their Oline and D in just 2 years. Plus maitaining all that cap space despite paying big QB money. Smart drafting and trades. They will get better next year. We can only hope we don't watch reruns of the last 3 seasons but it's feeling that way, at least right now. It’s excellent drafting that I’ve also kept the Kansas City Chiefs good they are running with a very, very inexperienced defense through the draft That is what we need to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is tight. I did my workings out in another thread recently and got to about $20m, but that was on the assumed $242m cap and included cutting Von (June 1) and Mitch Morse. I can now see a route to keeping Mitch and either a restructure adding a void year or even possibly a paycut (I think Mitch will only carry on playing in Buffalo, if it isn't here I guess he retires so maybe he'd be willing to take a bit less than the $6.8m base salary he is due i.e. the bit of the contract that isn't guaranteed). So on the $255m cap.... I think you can do it. But it doesn't leave a lot of space for signings and aside from a 1T and a safety where I think they will need to bring in at least starting calibre players (or retain Jones at 1T) they will need to sign a handful of other vet minimum types to provide some depth competition going into camp. WIth the tight space we have, you say bring in a 1tech and a safety... Where does a vet WR rate in terms of a free agent signing? How much would you limit the spending on a vet WR and who do you think that lands us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said: WIth the tight space we have, you say bring in a 1tech and a safety... Where does a vet WR rate in terms of a free agent signing? How much would you limit the spending on a vet WR and who do you think that lands us? I have said that for me it depends on where they really feel Stef is at. If they think he is truly on the downslope I'd be willing to commit $5-7m AAV for 2 year (maybe with a void year to spread some cash out). If they think Stef is still elite I'd pass on a mid range vet and just draft two from this clsss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2024 at 11:46 AM, Gunsgoodtime said: No, just not a sucker or boot licker for everything the Bills do as "winning". But go ahead with your bad self Charlie Sheen. Enjoy the participation trophies. I will take the participation trophies. We are currently getting as we are in a position to have a chance to win a Super Bowl every year. Thank you very much. In your way of thinking we’re back to being in great draft position every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I have said that for me it depends on where they really feel Stef is at. If they think he is truly on the downslope I'd be willing to commit $5-7m AAV for 2 year (maybe with a void year to spread some cash out). If they think Stef is still elite I'd pass on a mid range vet and just draft two from this clsss. Have you heard anything from your contacts about what the organization is feeling on Steph's ability now? Or nothing yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/24/2024 at 7:02 AM, Niagara Dude said: The problem the Bills have is Beanne and giving guys these big contracts who are either too old or not stars. Everyone talking about the White and Miller deals and what about the Dawson Knox contract with cap hits of 14 & 15 million over next 2 seasons. You can replace what you get from Dawson Knox with a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He is not a star, he drops passes and yet we pay him the same the Chiefs pay Kelce . We're signing guys prematurely. We're extending guys before we see their full body of work. Bass and Knox are classic examples. The Chiefs are just flat out a more polished organization all around. Coaching, GM contracts, drafting etc. We're chasing this dynamic every year. We sign a Von Miller and he goes belly up. They sign Jones and of course he immediately turns into Aaron Donald. These things are not coincidental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: We're signing guys prematurely. We're extending guys before we see their full body of work. Bass and Knox are classic examples. The Chiefs are just flat out a more polished organization all around. Coaching, GM contracts, drafting etc. We're chasing this dynamic every year. We sign a Von Miller and he goes belly up. They sign Jones and of course he immediately turns into Aaron Donald. These things are not coincidental. They didn't sign Jones they drafted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 On 2/23/2024 at 11:39 AM, SoonerBillsFan said: 41 mill over instead of 51, so only an 10 mill difference for us, which somehow I am missing how the cap going up by 13 mill, only nets us 8 mill? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/?ref=trending-pages The Bills were way over $51M after they made the void year moves going to Dead Cap. Those players had to be replaced with others to get back to the 51 players. That is where the discrepancy comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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