Bills add Miami Hurricanes DB coach Jahmile Addae to coach secondary

[wppete]

With this move there is a Good chance Bills have a good look at Miami - S - Kareem Kinchens. Hope he makes it to us in the second round. 

 

 

[khlax3]

52 minutes ago, wppete said:

With this move there is a Good chance Bills have a good look at Miami - S - Kareem Kinchens. Hope he makes it to us in the second round. 

 

 

Don’t be surprised if the Bills grab saftey Tykee smith from Georgia in the  middle rounds. He was an All American at WVU and when Addae left WVU for the job at Georgia he took Tykee Smith with him. 
 

https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/25/tykee-smith-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024

[Iverwig]

42 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

Don’t be surprised if the Bills grab saftey Tykee smith from Georgia in the  middle rounds. He was an All American at WVU and when Addae left WVU for the job at Georgia he took Tykee Smith with him. 
 

https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/25/tykee-smith-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024

He would be the one player who played under Addae who I think the Bills would target. He did have a good year for Georgia this past season. 

[jahnyc]

Don't usually see such a negative response to the hiring of a position coach for the Bills.  Would have thought based on his resume that he would have been more likely to be the assistant DB coach.  Surprised there was not better candidates available, at least in terms of NFL experience and reputation.  I guess we will see.

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah he's known as being a hard a$$ in an age when players get coddled............which of course, doesn't help you much as a recruiter.

 

Maybe not having the recruiting responsibility will make him easier to work with.

 

Sad to see John Butler go but figured that would happen once he got passed over for Bobby Babich jr.

 

This happened quietly, no? Butler has since 2018 overseen a defensive backs room that has seemingly overachieved each year (in collaboration with other excellent DB coaches on staff, of course). How did I miss this?

[FireChans]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

As a Hurricanes fan I was glad to see him go when I saw the headline.

 

Later found out he was going to the Bills. 😂

 

He just wasn't pulling his weight as a recruiter.

 

He could turn out to be a great coach for the Bills........he came to Miami well regarded........he just did the worst recruiting job of any position coach on staff and that aspect has only become more important in recent years.    

 

What I'd look for is the Bills to maybe gain a little scouting edge on late round DB's..........he has recruited a lot of these guys(mostly unsuccessfully) in this draft class while at West Virginia/Georgia/Miami.

Does this increase or decrease the chances James Williams is a Bill next year?

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Ahh, not so sure Butler is a good coach. 
 

He was DB coach at PSU, hired partly on the recommendation of Bill OBriens strength coach. 
 
Then promoted to DC because OB was too lazy to do a search. 
 

Failed miserably as a DC and would throw players under the bus. 
 

Then went to Texans with OB but fired as his unit performed poorly. 
 

Then hired by his high school buddy McDermott. 
 

Seems to me the guys floats by on his buddies coattails. 
 

And before someone chimes in that he did a great job coaching up Tre, Hyde, and Poyer—they were all on team for at least one season  before Butler started. 
 

The only DB to develop under Butler was Taron Johnson. 

 

This is exactly what I'm curious about. Butler, by title, has overseen the ascension of some seriously over-achieving, day three starting DBs like Taron Johnson and Christian Benford, and available free agents like Hyde and Poyer (from their 2nd years-on), as well as above average spot starters with limited physical traits like Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson. 

 

Ways people could try to downplay or mitigate Butler's impact on the above players' developments above and beyond general expectations include primarily acknowledging the presence of both Frazier (former CB) and McDermott (former S) until 2023, as well as Babich, who coached Safeties specifically for a few years there when things were humming with that duo (and then moved on to LBs who immediately thrived no matter who was plugged in -- until we got to a retired AJ Klein covering Travis Kelce m2m in the playoffs). 

 

I can't see anything in Butler's departure other than a net loss, on paper. But then again, if there's anything we should trust McD to do, it's get the most out of his secondary talent. 

[Peter]

7 hours ago, Monty98 said:

I just don't want him associated with either team I like...why couldn't he go to the Dolphins. I saw this on FB first and was like oh no 🤮 then I was like...well...the U got better.

 

The passing efficiency #s at Miami make me sick.

Universally as in not just the players. Staff and board were not on board with him at Miami and the way he went about business

So it's a bit misleading. Tyrique Stevenson was going to be drafted regardless and left Georgia to come home to Miami, DJ Ivey was a draft pick based on measurables. Any one who watched Miami can tell you that he was not good. The two safeties this year getting drafted are Kam Kitchens and James Williams who just played linebacker at the senior bowl. Kam will get drafted because he is a gambler at times and has a knack for making big plays in big situations.

 

As a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder, I would love to see Kam Kitchens in a Bills uniform. He has great instincts. I am going to say a name that he reminds me of when he was in college. I am not saying he will be as good as the person I am about to name, but I do remember saying back when that other player played for the Hurricanes how he had a knack for the football.

 

Hint: The former player also was a former coach for the Bills.

 

Name:

 

Ed Reed

 

 

According to the Miami Herald, 247sports ranked Addae as the number 2 recruiter. 

 

Herald Article on Addae

 

 

Edited February 8 by Peter

[GunnerBill]

Surprised and disappointed about Butler's departure. I suspect not even getting a chance to interview for DC before that job went to Babich probably did it.

[Turk71]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah he's known as being a hard a$$ in an age when players get coddled............

Let go from the Hurricanes for rubbing players and staff the wrong way and generally being an #######.... does that approach work better on wealthy grown men professionals?

[Malazan]

Rex is looking to get back into coaching and they go with this guy?!!!

[Bigvinny]

John Butler is pissed

 

 

[BuffAlone]

16 minutes ago, Bigvinny said:

John Butler is pissed

 

 

Wow. I wonder what the real story/ friction is? Those are top notch numbers

[Niagara Dude]

16 hours ago, Gregg said:

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Great signing ,  hopefully helpful in finding some players from both Miami and Georgia. 

[Realist]

Seems like Butler is pissed he didn't get the DC job and refused to work for Babich.

[T master]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Welcome Coach Addae.

 

Let me be the first to say "Fire Addae"

 

Spoken like a true Bills fan !!! 😎 

 

What i want to know is when will they fire the ST's coach or have they & 1 of the 2 hired guys took his place ? 

[T master]

12 hours ago, wppete said:

With this move there is a Good chance Bills have a good look at Miami - S - Kareem Kinchens. Hope he makes it to us in the second round. 

 

 

 

If the Bills get a Kitchen(s) for James to Cook some Bass in for a Sunday Fins fry Buffalo will be a very highly sought after happy place to be !!

 

Just cause i miss the WNY fish fry's ! Go Bills .

[MrEpsYtown]

He did a crossover with Antoine Winfield Jr at Minnesota as well. So there is an unrealistic FA connection. He also crossed over with the Kelce brothers at Cincinnati so he has had an interesting path. 

 

I am surprised they moved on from Butler. McDermott always went out of his way to praise Butler, but with Babich jumping him I get it. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

21 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Spoken like a true Bills fan !!! 😎 

 

What i want to know is when will they fire the ST's coach or have they & 1 of the 2 hired guys took his place ? 

They haven't and I feel like if they were going to it would have been done by now

[stevewin]

29 minutes ago, Realist said:

Seems like Butler is pissed he didn't get the DC job and refused to work for Babich.

Which makes his X post seem a little misleading tbh - comes off as "they got rid of me and I'm a great DB coach" when in reality it more likely is "I didn't get DC and I'm a great DB coach"

[f0neguy]

Just my opinion….  I think Butler was upset he didn’t get the DC spot so he walked away.  The Bills probably didn’t expect that and had to fill the secondary spot quickly.  Not sure how they found Addae but McD wouldn’t have picked him without a good reason.  I’m sure Butler will land on his feet (hopefully in the NFC).

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

This happened quietly, no? Butler has since 2018 overseen a defensive backs room that has seemingly overachieved each year (in collaboration with other excellent DB coaches on staff, of course). How did I miss this?

 

Yeah Butler was long seen as the heir apparent at DC.   I assume he wasn't going to stay around after he got passed over.  

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Does this increase or decrease the chances James Williams is a Bill next year?

 

I'd say decrease.

 

Williams was a massive underachiever.   Some of the stuff you get away with in college just won't fly in the pro's.   The least surprising thing I saw in the Senior Bowl was Williams face masking a RB to the ground.   Dumb as a box of rocks.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

17 hours ago, Logic said:

I like that the coaching staff is being infused with youth (Brady, Babich) and outside additions (Curry, Addae).

I won't pretend to really know enough about any of them to wax poetic about their chances of being good coaches or valuable additions to the staff, but any time our coaching staff wants to inject youthful energy and fresh opinions, I'm always in favor.

Same. I have no idea how it will go, but the team is definitely seeing its more senior members poached away. I would much rather see a college coach alternate between the pros and college before giving him a shot at a coordinator position.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Bigvinny said:

John Butler is pissed

 

 

 

 

I suppose that could be aimed at McD but I assume that's in response to Matt Fairburn saying there was friction between Butler and Elam on the SHOUT podcast.    Seems more like a "I'm a great DB coach" post than a "why wasn't I made DC" post.

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, Bigvinny said:

John Butler is pissed

 

 

Wow. Don’t usually see this public messaging from a coaches. He has every right to be pissed if he didn’t leave on his own accord after being passed up for the DC job and they just walked from him. He’s a good coach. 

[FLFan]

Losing Butler is unfortunate, but had to happen when he did not get the top job.  McDermott has been grooming three different coaches for the DC role and chose Babich.  The others are bound to be disappointed.  I take his expressed butt hurt with a grain of salt considering, although I am sure Tyler Dunne will in touch very soon.  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, wppete said:

With this move there is a Good chance Bills have a good look at Miami - S - Kareem Kinchens. Hope he makes it to us in the second round. 

 

 

 

 

He was an excellent player for the Canes but not sure he will test well or pass the medicals everywhere.   Seemed like he was held together with chewing gum and popsicle sticks last season.   Always getting hurt and having to come off the field for a few plays.   He's a gamer but not sure he's coming into the league ready for 10 years of punishment either.   More instinctive than physically gifted.

 

I wouldn't use a second round pick on him.    He may become Micah Hyde 2.0 someday because he has those elite instincts............but so may some 5th or 6th rounder in THIS Bills defense.

 

Very deep DB class.

[Blank Stare]

15 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Ahh, not so sure Butler is a good coach. 
 

He was DB coach at PSU, hired partly on the recommendation of Bill OBriens strength coach. 
 
Then promoted to DC because OB was too lazy to do a search. 
 

Failed miserably as a DC and would throw players under the bus. 
 

Then went to Texans with OB but fired as his unit performed poorly. 
 

Then hired by his high school buddy McDermott. 
 

Seems to me the guys floats by on his buddies coattails. 
 

And before someone chimes in that he did a great job coaching up Tre, Hyde, and Poyer—they were all on team for at least one season  before Butler started. 
 

The only DB to develop under Butler was Taron Johnson. 

Fair points in his previous stops. I don’t know a ton about that. All I know is when he was here, I never worried about any CB development with him, Frazier, and McD. Now we’re down to one of them (which may be the best of the three in this area), but I think it’s a loss. Oversaw Tre White in his all-pro season and his work with the likes of Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, Taron Johnson and some other less heralded corners makes for a pretty strong resume during his time here. 

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Same. I have no idea how it will go, but the team is definitely seeing its more senior members poached away. I would much rather see a college coach alternate between the pros and college before giving him a shot at a coordinator position.

Agreed.

Overall, it seems likely that the Bills are going to be undergoing a big youth movement this season. It already started to happen on offense the past couple seasons, and now it's about to happen on defense. There's no choice. The salary cap is going to FORCE them to go young.

As such, it only makes sense to infuse youth and fresh ideas into the coaching staff, as well. 

One could say "well, I'd rather have long time, veteran position coaches to teach all of these young guys", but that's not the approach the Bills' staff seems to be going with. They seem to be saying "we're gonna bring in young, energetic coaches to connect with and teach the young players we're bringing in".

I'm excited about what I perceive to be a turning of the page on defense. I think that with the departure of Frazier last year and the impending departures of Hyde, Poyer, and maybe Tre White, a pretty big "era" of Bills defense is about to end, and a new one is about to begin. The old ways weren't working when the Bills got to the playoffs, so bring in the new. Let's see what a new generation of coaches and players can do.

[SoonerBillsFan]

59 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

Just my opinion….  I think Butler was upset he didn’t get the DC spot so he walked away.  The Bills probably didn’t expect that and had to fill the secondary spot quickly.  Not sure how they found Addae but McD wouldn’t have picked him without a good reason.  I’m sure Butler will land on his feet (hopefully in the NFC).

From looking at his Social media posts, I agree. He got butthurt he didn't get promoted. But, in all fairness he had two all pro safeties and at a time an all pro cornerback to work with, so its not hard to put up great stats when you coach that.  I will be interested to hear from McDermott on what made him pick Addae.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

John Butler is pissed

 

 

"Dear John, do tell more"

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

Agreed.

Overall, it seems likely that the Bills are going to be undergoing a big youth movement this season. It already started to happen on offense the past couple seasons, and now it's about to happen on defense. There's no choice. The salary cap is going to FORCE them to go young.

As such, it only makes sense to infuse youth and fresh ideas into the coaching staff, as well. 

One could say "well, I'd rather have long time, veteran position coaches to teach all of these young guys", but that's not the approach the Bills' staff seems to be going with. They seem to be saying "we're gonna bring in young, energetic coaches to connect with and teach the young players we're bringing in".

I'm excited about what I perceive to be a turning of the page on defense. I think that with the departure of Frazier last year and the impending departures of Hyde, Poyer, and maybe Tre White, a pretty big "era" of Bills defense is about to end, and a new one is about to begin. The old ways weren't working when the Bills got to the playoffs, so bring in the new. Let's see what a new generation of coaches and players can do.

I like it. Some cans gripe about "same old same old" but this is a change from the SOP at OBD.  As for as promoting from within on the OC and DC, both worked hard and deserve it.  We will see if they are allowed to put their twist on things but seeing who we hired at QB coach, it seems that Brady is being allowed to implement HIS system, not a version of Dabol's.  I like what I see concept wise from what Brady did at LSU and it would work in the NFL IF he is allowed to do it and we get him a couple more pieces to work with this offseason. It also throws a monkey in the wrench so to speak with DC's we normally go up against because the film on our Offense for the last 6 years can be tossed out the window which is a great thing.

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

"Dear John, do tell more"

I don't think whining like this on Social media is going to do wonders for him in getting a new gig. I could be wrong.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

Agreed.

Overall, it seems likely that the Bills are going to be undergoing a big youth movement this season. It already started to happen on offense the past couple seasons, and now it's about to happen on defense. There's no choice. The salary cap is going to FORCE them to go young.

As such, it only makes sense to infuse youth and fresh ideas into the coaching staff, as well. 

One could say "well, I'd rather have long time, veteran position coaches to teach all of these young guys", but that's not the approach the Bills' staff seems to be going with. They seem to be saying "we're gonna bring in young, energetic coaches to connect with and teach the young players we're bringing in".

I'm excited about what I perceive to be a turning of the page on defense. I think that with the departure of Frazier last year and the impending departures of Hyde, Poyer, and maybe Tre White, a pretty big "era" of Bills defense is about to end, and a new one is about to begin. The old ways weren't working when the Bills got to the playoffs, so bring in the new. Let's see what a new generation of coaches and players can do.

Agree that the team is about to get a whole lot younger on D. Maybe the vets and journeymen hold off late round rookies for a season, but our cap space in 2025 isn't an immediate money pot for profligate spending

 

I thoroughly expect that by 2025, Milano will be a grizzled veteran as one of the longest consecutive members of the defense and that makes me feel old.

[Wayne Arnold]

43 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

Wow. Don’t usually see this public messaging from a coaches. He has every right to be pissed if he didn’t leave on his own accord after being passed up for the DC job and they just walked from him. He’s a good coach. 

 

McDermott and Butler basically grew up together in Philadelphia. I'm sure McD offered Butler a position on Babich's staff but Butler then felt like it was a demotion that he didn't deserve considering how well the secondary performed during his time here.

 

Probably some real emotions there considering the background/context.

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Agree that the team is about to get a whole lot younger on D. Maybe the vets and journeymen hold off late round rookies for a season, but our cap space in 2025 isn't an immediate money pot for profligate spending

 

I thoroughly expect that by 2025, Milano will be a grizzled veteran as one of the longest consecutive members of the defense and that makes me feel old.

Est Cap space right now is just over 25 mill in 2025 I believe, so we can move some extensions forward to help with this years cap. Its something like 117 mill in 2026, but with only maybe half a team under contract

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Est Cap space right now is just over 25 mill in 2025 I believe, so we can move some extensions forward to help with this years cap. Its something like 117 mill in 2026, but with only maybe half a team under contract

My worry on 2025 is that three no-brainer moves (in my mind) this offseason will be extensions of Dawkins, Taron Johnson and Douglas. They will probably be backloaded. That's going to start digging into 2025 already. Some of our expected big ticket departures (Von, Knox) will have good sized dead money chunks so I don't think the Bills will be heavy bidders until '26

[msw2112]

My take is that the Bills had no choice but to promote Babich, or they would have lost him to one of the other teams that was interviewing him.  He also has an impressive track record with the LB's that suggests he's a rising star in the coaching ranks and was worthy of the promotion.  That left them in a bad spot with Butler, who was also worthy/deserving of the promotion.  Rather than face the indignity of working for a guy who got the promotion that he wanted/felt he deserved, Butler elected to move on and the Bills had to replace him and hired Addae.  I admit to knowing nothing about Addae other than what I've read in this thread, but obviously, I hope he succeeds.  As others have said, Butler will land on his feet and I wish him success - in the NFC.

Edited February 8 by msw2112

[Monty98]

10 hours ago, Peter said:

 

As a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder, I would love to see Kam Kitchens in a Bills uniform. He has great instincts. I am going to say a name that he reminds me of when he was in college. I am not saying he will be as good as the person I am about to name, but I do remember saying back when that other player played for the Hurricanes how he had a knack for the football.

 

Hint: The former player also was a former coach for the Bills.

 

Name:

 

Ed Reed

 

 

According to the Miami Herald, 247sports ranked Addae as the number 2 recruiter. 

 

Herald Article on Addae

 

 

I wouldn't say Ed Reed, I love Kam, but Ed was Ed, the guy. Kam is good, I'd probably put him closer to Jairus Byrd, will be feast or famine but will always be around the ball.

 

Addae was not, his best pull was Damari Brown last year, this the best DB was a Mario kid not Addae (I believe) in Zaquan Patterson. 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I'd say decrease.

 

Williams was a massive underachiever.   Some of the stuff you get away with in college just won't fly in the pro's.   The least surprising thing I saw in the Senior Bowl was Williams face masking a RB to the ground.   Dumb as a box of rocks.

Add in he's transitioning to LB too

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I'd say decrease.

 

Williams was a massive underachiever.   Some of the stuff you get away with in college just won't fly in the pro's.   The least surprising thing I saw in the Senior Bowl was Williams face masking a RB to the ground.   Dumb as a box of rocks.

I haven’t watched a ton of him, but he seems like a physical freak athlete. I could see him testing well at the combine and his stock rising as a chess piece for some team. 
 

I wonder if McD and co are going to shy away from the physical freaks with poor technique after Elam.