Bermuda Triangle Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: We Bills Fans have become quarterback snobs, haven'y we? We are slamming Tua as if he is garbage and while he is not an elite qb, he is more than twice as good as anything we had between the years of 1997 and 2017. I mean we are looking back at JP Losman, Trent Edwards, a finished Drew Bledsoe, Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Rob Johnson, Todd Collins and Doug Flutie (who may have been the best of this sorry bunch). Looking back at that sad list, in those days we would have welcomed Tua, no? Statistically, sure. Then again, Bledsoe was second in the league in passing yards in 2002. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. Tua is a good QB and an even better human being. His offensive skill players are pretty much all elite…his OL not so much. There’s nothing about his play over the last 4 years which leads me to believe he is or will be a “great” QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 18 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. How many "great" QBs do you think there are in the NFL currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: We Bills Fans have become quarterback snobs, haven't we? We are slamming Tua as if he is garbage and while he is not an elite qb, he is more than twice as good as anything we had between the years of 1997 and 2017. I mean we are looking back at JP Losman, Trent Edwards, a finished Drew Bledsoe, Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Rob Johnson, Todd Collins and Doug Flutie (who may have been the best of this sorry bunch). Looking back at that sad list, in those days we would have welcomed Tua, no? If he’s twice as good as Fitz, why was he benched for……….Fitz? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, 4merper4mer said: If he’s twice as good as Fitz, why was he benched for……….Fitz? Perhaps it was that nagging back injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 2/3/2024 at 6:33 PM, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. "Great" is over stating it I think. He is a descent/good QB. But I don't think he's good enough to consistently compete with josh, Mahomes, burrow etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 It does matter if he’s good, great, or elite. Any QB that is competent will get paid. I don’t think he deserves it, but it a QB driven league. If he doesn’t come out as the highest paid QB, he should fire his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 15 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: It does matter if he’s good, great, or elite. Any QB that is competent will get paid. I don’t think he deserves it, but it a QB driven league. If he doesn’t come out as the highest paid QB, he should fire his agent. Exactly. Brock Freaking Purdy is about to get PAID. Thankfully the Bills are at least paying someone who deserves the dough, relatively speaking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Exactly. Brock Freaking Purdy is about to get PAID. Thankfully the Bills are at least paying someone who deserves the dough, relatively speaking. He’s represented by Athletes First, who he changed to about 1 year ago. These are the same people who bagged Deshawn Watson’s fully guaranteed contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 12 hours ago, NoSaint said: Its starting to make it harder despite him being good enough to carry a team we are totally out of our easiest path to a ring unfortunately - though still have a window open Josh's contract is an asset. Contracts for guys like Von, White, and Diggs are the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, Billl said: Josh's contract is an asset. Contracts for guys like Von, White, and Diggs are the issue. oh we are blessed to have him and I’m not complaining but it’s without question that we could field a higher quality 52 around him 2-3 years ago. if we hit on a WR, or pass rusher suddenly - we get that 50m perk back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 9 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Statistically, sure. Then again, Bledsoe was second in the league in passing yards in 2002. Fun offense to watch down the stretch, for a stretch. Lotta production from the top two WRs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: How many "great" QBs do you think there are in the NFL currently? 3 Allen Mahomes Burrow Everyone else is a step below 3 hours ago, Low Positive said: Exactly. Brock Freaking Purdy is about to get PAID. Thankfully the Bills are at least paying someone who deserves the dough, relatively speaking. Purdy is really really good. He is in an amazing system with some great players, but he is a big reason why they are in the the Super Bowl. Shanny finally found the guy he’s been searching for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 This just doesn't get old, he agreed to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: This just doesn't get old, he agreed to do this. These paramount commercials are the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2024 at 1:34 PM, Bermuda Triangle said: How many "great" QBs do you think there are in the NFL currently? Imo, two or three max, Mahomes, Allen, and some other loser…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 Oh dear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Oh dear This took me forever to find where Tua was! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said: This took me forever to find where Tua was! It's like looking at one of those ocean depth scales and Tua is Mariana's Trench. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2024 at 8:50 PM, Low Positive said: Exactly. Brock Freaking Purdy is about to get PAID. Thankfully the Bills are at least paying someone who deserves the dough, relatively speaking. Deserves? Purdy has his team one win away from a SB championship, yet Allen(who has yet to participate in a SB) deserves to be paid, but not Purdy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: Deserves? Purdy has his team one win away from a SB championship, yet Allen(who has yet to participate in a SB) deserves to be paid, but not Purdy? SF has a better coach. Better offensive players around Purdy with CMC, Deebo, Kittle. Better defense. The Lions got to them early, but SF adjusted and controlled the game late. Bottom line Josh has to be the man for the Bills to win. Purdy doesn't despite the fact that he has played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Gregg said: SF has a better coach. Better offensive players around Purdy with CMC, Deebo, Kittle. Better defense. The Lions got to them early, but SF adjusted and controlled the game late. Bottom line Josh has to be the man for the Bills to win. Purdy doesn't despite the fact that he has played well. Doesn’t mean he should not be paid among the elite…$40-50 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just now, LabattBlue said: Doesn’t mean he should not be paid among the elite…$40-50 mil. True. The Giants gave Jones that big contract, so it won't surprise me when he also gets paid. He is a good QB, but I don't think he is elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: Oh dear Lamar a true MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Lamar a true MVP. Lamar is so good that he was a free agent and received ZERO offers. He's a good runner though...for now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 27 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Lamar a true MVP. Kyler Murray is also no bueno 21 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Lamar is so good that he was a free agent and received ZERO offers. He's a good runner though...for now But he caught his own pass!!! (ignore that Marcus Mariota did that like eight years ago) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2024 at 1:09 PM, BillsFan130 said: I will almost guarantee he gets more. The cap goes up every year, so that's just the way it works. He will probably get 45-48 per year if I were to guess. Term/guarantees will Be the big numbers to look at though Yes, good point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Lamar is so good that he was a free agent and received ZERO offers. He's a good runner though...for now He was franchise tagged, so yeah, most franchise tags don't receive offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, cle23 said: He was franchise tagged, so yeah, most franchise tags don't receive offers. Non-exclusive tag which means he was free to negotiate with other teams. There were zero teams interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: Kyler Murray is also no bueno Back off, Jack! Nobody styles a 'bro' like Kyler Murray! 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I posted an article from The Ringer on this forum not long ago that came to two very convincing conclusions, which it backed up with data and charts and everything: 1.) Generally speaking, the later it gets in a game, the worse Tua plays. 2.) Generally speaking, the later it gets in the season, the worse Tua plays. So me, personally? I'm fully on board with the Dolphins giving big money to Tua. He's a very good -- borderline elite -- September and October quarterback. Once Thanksgiving hits and onward, he folds. He's just good enough to give you hope, and just bad enough to repeatedly break your heart. Give him all the money. Sign him for all the years. I'm here for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just now, Logic said: I posted an article from The Ringer on this forum not long ago that came to two very convincing conclusions, which it backed up with data and charts and everything: 1.) Generally speaking, the later it gets in a game, the worse Tua plays. 2.) Generally speaking, the later it gets in the season, the worse Tua plays. So me, personally? I'm fully on board with the Dolphins giving big money to Tua. He's a very good -- borderline elite -- September and October quarterback. Once Thanksgiving hits and onward, he folds. He's just good enough to give you hope, and just bad enough to repeatedly break your heart. Give him all the money. Sign him for all the years. I'm here for it. Word was that he was a little banged up by the end of the season, which makes sense. He's a smaller bodied QB, and running that offense relies on having his track star WRs also totally healthy. Inevitably, one or both of those WRs will get dinged up, miss games or just be a little bit slower, and the entire system stops working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 year 31 million, 8 mil signing bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 if we had our way Tua would be a multi billionaire on a 20 year guaranteed deal and Tee Higgins would be offered $5 by the Bengals and become an UFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Non-exclusive tag which means he was free to negotiate with other teams. There were zero teams interested But the negotiating team would have had to cough up the big $$$ contract AND give the Ravens two 1st Round picks. For Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and possibly Herbert teams would do that. For Jackson, whom most execs already understand his limitations, not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 36 minutes ago, H2o said: But the negotiating team would have had to cough up the big $$$ contract AND give the Ravens two 1st Round picks. For Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, and possibly Herbert teams would do that. For Jackson, whom most execs already understand his limitations, not so much. But he's the MVP right? How can he not be worth it? Teams should be dying to get a QB like that. Unless...he's not that good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Non-exclusive tag which means he was free to negotiate with other teams. There were zero teams interested Because it costs a team 2 1st round picks on top of the massive contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 hours ago, Roundybout said: Kyler Murray is also no bueno But he caught his own pass!!! (ignore that Marcus Mariota did that like eight years ago) Also Mariota scored on his own pass, I remember because my friend were here doing a fantasy fantasy league style bet on that weekend and they argued about how to score it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, cle23 said: Because it costs a team 2 1st round picks on top of the massive contract. A small price to pay for the best player and MVP of the entire NFL. The Dolphins gave up that for Tyreek Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, cle23 said: Because it costs a team 2 1st round picks on top of the massive contract. I think thats worth it for a franchise QB. Like if we are in the drought years, I would have been thrilled to do that for a QB like Lamar. But the reason teams were scared off was because Lamar was looking for fully guaranteed money and no owner/gm was going to trade those assets and give him the fully guaranteed deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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