Sorry to say... But Diggs is done.

[Mango]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK, I was asking about this because I didn’t have the stomach to Wade through all the post game stuff.  Did Diggs bail out of the locker room and refuse to make himself available to the press, again?

 

He doesn’t have to talk, but he’s supposed to be in the locker room during press availability.

 

Wow.  Had his man beat.  Catchable ball is right there.

No idea what happened back there but he didn’t mark himself available. 

[Bills!Win!]

Should’ve traded for DK Metcalf when we had the chance 

[Brian Higgins hair]

Done, as stick a fork in him..but we are stuck with that, an a lot of aging vets contracts. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

The WR formerly known as "HIM" came up small yet again in the second half of the season and into the playoffs. A year after the sideline blow up at Allen, he drops a HUGE opportunity on a near perfect pass and looks back to his QB with the "inches away" sign in a crucial moment. Didn't seem upset at all. Actually, in retrospect, really didn't see too much of that "firey competitive" Diggs that much all year. At times looked to be going through the motions.

 

Then after the game does the most Stef thing imaginable...and declines to speak to the media. That's a team captain right there.  Meanwhile a guy like Bass stood at his locker and answered for his mistake. 

 

 

[Bob Jones]

5 hours ago, chongli said:

That long pass was 62 yards in the air, albeit a little bit wind aided, but WOW!

 

Obviously, it should have been caught....ANY NFL receiver should make that catch. Sheeit, most top D1 college players would make that catch.

 

Do the Bills practice catching balls during the week, at all? @Royale with Cheese LOL

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

That long pass was 62 yards in the air, albeit a little bit wind aided, but WOW!

 

Obviously, it should have been caught....ANY NFL receiver should make that catch. Sheeit, most top D1 college players would make that catch.

 

Do the Bills practice catching balls during the week, at all? @Royale with Cheese LOL

 

I am sure they do, just like all the teams...even the Chiefs who lead the league in dropped balls. 

I think if we would have practiced a few more times 7 weeks ago, it would have made a difference last night right? 

[Bob Jones]

Ha ha. Obviously, the receivers need/needed to spend MORE TIME at practice catching balls, every week, all year long.

 

Practice makes perfect, or close to it anyways. 😉

[WEATHER DOT COM]

8 hours ago, Beast said:

This team is far from a mess heading into next season. They will be solid and with the right additions and players returning from injury we will be better.

Cap is beyond a mess 

[Kwai San]

On 1/16/2024 at 7:47 AM, Roundybout said:

Thanks, guy with four posts over the last four years!

Obviously a burner account for one of our pitchfork clowns.....

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 hours ago, weebdestroyer12 said:

No Diggs isn't done, Buffalo is done with him, they completely gave up on him. They do not resonate his competitive energy anymore. My man is on an island all alone. And today was exactly why he needs to be included had Allen passed it to Diggs instead of Shakir, it would be a 1st down with a chance to run out the clock a TD and off to Baltimore.

 

Diggs is a competitor and you guys just like the Bills organization lack that killer mindset like he has. You guys call him a diva or toxic to the locker room, I say he is exactly the kind of mindset player we need.

I would argue it's the other way around. 

 

His vibe has been completely different this year. Even coming into the season he seemed less engaged than years past.

 

Then the Maddy Glab incident happens where Stef was in his feelings about that. Then he got a ton of questions about his brothers tweets that he pushes back on. I seriously think he's at a spot where, despite liking his teammates he just wants out of this team/market. 

 

I don't say he's toxic in the locker room. It's the opposite...he's loved there. But the dude is emotionally soft. The "Diggs is a competitive player" narrative died this year. He went through the motions. Drops, fumbles...but hey his dances at practice were always 🔥🔥🔥

[UConn James]

After that ball went right through his f’in hands I don’t want to hear word one from Diggs insofar as any kind of criticism of the team. He failed Josh, the team, and the fans right there. Stay silent until training camp my dude.
 

So skipping the postgame presser is a whatever.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Cap is beyond a mess 

 

Brandon Beane is our GM, not Joe Schmo from Pocono, FYI.

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The WR formerly known as "HIM" came up small yet again in the second half of the season and into the playoffs. A year after the sideline blow up at Allen, he drops a HUGE opportunity on a near perfect pass and looks back to his QB with the "inches away" sign in a crucial moment. Didn't seem upset at all. Actually, in retrospect, really didn't see too much of that "firey competitive" Diggs that much all year. At times looked to be going through the motions.

 

Then after the game does the most Stef thing imaginable...and declines to speak to the media. That's a team captain right there.  Meanwhile a guy like Bass stood at his locker and answered for his mistake. 

 

Time for him to go... he looked worse than Bass did in the second half of the season!!!

 

I love him but not as a starter in 2024... if you're going to blast Von for his lack of GCPs, you must give the same treatment to Stef. He's just not HIM anymore.

Edited January 22 by EasternOHBillsFan

[RousseauRage]

We don't even make the playoffs without Diggs. Some of you people are nuts. He's the only one on the offense with any heart, other than Kincaid.

[Jauronimo]

6 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Diggs, all mouth, no hands. He's dropped more passes this year, than I have deuces. Brady has taken him out of the gamelan a lot more, but that still doesn't account for the dropsies. He also takes himself off the field a ton. He's constantly waving for a replacement. Not sure what's up with that, but it was happening back when Dorsey was still here. 

You are highly constipated.  Your diet must be 90% cheese.

[Bubba Gump]

44 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

You are highly constipated.  Your diet must be 90% cheese.

 

Actually, you're right. Nothing but pebbles the last few days. Not much cheese though. Must be the new meds. 🤷‍♂️

[EasternOHBillsFan]

53 minutes ago, RousseauRage said:

We don't even make the playoffs without Diggs. Some of you people are nuts. He's the only one on the offense with any heart, other than Kincaid.

 

You sound EXACTLY LIKE those who defend Gabe Davis because "he's the best blocking WR out there!" YOUR PRIMARY JOB IS TO CATCH THE DAMN BALL AND MAKE BIG PLAYS DOING IT!

Edited January 22 by EasternOHBillsFan

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The WR formerly known as "HIM" came up small yet again in the second half of the season and into the playoffs. A year after the sideline blow up at Allen, he drops a HUGE opportunity on a near perfect pass and looks back to his QB with the "inches away" sign in a crucial moment. Didn't seem upset at all. Actually, in retrospect, really didn't see too much of that "firey competitive" Diggs that much all year. At times looked to be going through the motions.

 

Then after the game does the most Stef thing imaginable...and declines to speak to the media. That's a team captain right there.  Meanwhile a guy like Bass stood at his locker and answered for his mistake. 

 

 

He quit mid season when we were .500.  I got all the Nast reactions for posting that,but the evidence is right there.  He is done in, Buffalo

[DJB]

I’ve been pounding the table since last year our need for a WR to eventually take over the WR1 role. 
 

Its now more evident than ever 

[BarleyNY]

A couple seasons ago Diggs was a top 4 WR. Last season top 8. This season he was in the top 16 or 24 range. Next season I expect him to be one of the top 32 WRs - and that’s still valuable even if it’s toward the bottom. I don’t expect him to be a Bill after 2024. Age is catching up with him. It is what it is. Time for the Bills to start planning for that. 

[Roundybout]

Buying low on Shakir 

 

[FireChans]

7 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Diggs, all mouth, no hands. He's dropped more passes this year, than I have deuces. Brady has taken him out of the gamelan a lot more, but that still doesn't account for the dropsies. He also takes himself off the field a ton. He's constantly waving for a replacement. Not sure what's up with that, but it was happening back when Dorsey was still here. 

Why has Diggs no showed in the playoffs the last four years?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I'll want to wait a month or so before saying he's done to keep an eye out if it's all of a sudden announced he had some type of off season surgery, back related maybe??

[Mango]

If Diggs can find a way to be reasonably productive this year without causing a scene, the Bills should hold off on moving on and keep the $3M cost savings by keeping him here. 

 

Some interesting numbers in relation to Diggs cap. For reference red is bad. But his contract is absolutely workable this offseason if all parties NEED to walk away from each other. People freak out over the $31M as if it is in addition to. The post June 2024 number is interesting, and I think it could make Stef a post June trade candidate this year. 

 

2024 Pre June: -$3M (+$22M in 2025)

2024 Post June: $19M (-$22M in 2025)

 

2025 Pre June: $5M ($28M in 2026)

2025 Post June: $18.5M (-13M in 2026) 

EDIT: There is zero place where discussing restructuring Diggs makes any sense. It should be removed from every single discussion of the Bills cap space from here on out.  It didn't make sense 3 months ago and it makes much less sense today. 

Edited January 22 by Mango

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

That long pass was 62 yards in the air, albeit a little bit wind aided, but WOW!

 

Obviously, it should have been caught....ANY NFL receiver should make that catch. Sheeit, most top D1 college players would make that catch.

 

Do the Bills practice catching balls during the week, at all? @Royale with Cheese LOL

 

I think with Diggs, he's been nursing some dings and then showed up on injury report with a foot injury, he might not be running as many routes in practice.

 

But the timing was there, the ball and Diggs were perfectly in the right place at the right time, he just wasn't able to close the deal.

 

16 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

He is supposed to have hurt his foot. His problem tonight was his hands.  He dropped 2 big passes. He also fumbled one one of his few catches. 

 

I've heard it said that catching a ball starts with the feet? 

 

15 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

He can spend the off season working on catching the ball. That's about all

in are to say about him. Shut up and play better. 

 

This is where I am.  Shut up and play better.

Edited January 22 by Beck Water

[TheyCallMeAndy]

He had 160 targets and 100 catches, that is just too much for a 30 year old WR. 

[Mr. WEO]

Come playoffs, spends more time showing out (clown suits) than showing up…

[filthymcnasty08]

Betting that he has had injuries .....not buying at all that he doesn't care, lack of effort, mailing it in....come on

 

This guy has been the spark plug for 4 years.

 

I have been cringing all year at some of the hits he was taking and marveled at how he would pop up in his signature style

 

Something has been off with him, you can just see it.  He's beat up, but always a gamer - if he can walk, he will play.

 

Just wished he had caught that one last night.  FK!!!!

[Niagara Dude]

I thought the Bills made a huge mistake in giving him that much money when he was almost 30 and now that he will be 31 this season he cannot be expected to get you 100 receptions.  Too many hits because he does not play outside

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

Betting that he has had injuries .....not buying at all that he doesn't care, lack of effort, mailing it in....come on

 

This guy has been the spark plug for 4 years.

 

I have been cringing all year at some of the hits he was taking and marveled at how he would pop up in his signature style

 

Something has been off with him, you can just see it.  He's beat up, but always a gamer - if he can walk, he will play.

 

Just wished he had caught that one last night.  FK!!!!

Yes, but the injury excuse may not be it. 

 

Here's the truth. It's divisional week of the playoffs. Everyone is injured. He's looked healthy on the field getting in and out of his breaks. His head coach even said a few weeks back that what's happening with him isn't medical and there's no medical issue. 

 

You're right though. Something has been off....

[Unforgiven]

He's not a 1 anymore.

[paulmm3]

Next season gonna be some weird vibes. No other team will want Diggs at his cap number. We can't cut him because of the dead cap. So he's gonna be playing for us. But now everyone thinks he's a overpaid bum. So he goes from the ultra-competitive star player to Albert Haynesworth in 12 months.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think with Diggs, he's been nursing some dings and then showed up on injury report with a foot injury, he might not be running as many routes in practice.

 

But the timing was there, the ball and Diggs were perfectly in the right place at the right time, he just wasn't able to close the deal.

 

 

I've heard it said that catching a ball starts with the feet? 

 

 

This is where I am.  Shut up and play better.

I'm surprised you knew what I was talking about. I was anger texting that on my phone. Typo city there

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm surprised you knew what I was talking about. I was anger texting that on my phone. Typo city there

 

LOL I suppose I "got it" because it expressed my own frustrations about Diggs.

 

Josh Allen famously tells WR he wants them to "get open and catch the ball". 

 

Get open - check, not as much as he used to

Catch the ball - that's been more of a problem than you'd like to see from a #1

 

And while you're at it - after you catch it, hang on to it.

[Goin Breakdown]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

LOL I suppose I "got it" because it expressed my own frustrations about Diggs.

 

Josh Allen famously tells WR he wants them to "get open and catch the ball". 

 

Get open - check, not as much as he used to

Catch the ball - that's been more of a problem than you'd like to see from a #1

 

And while you're at it - after you catch it, hang on to it.

Yep and stop with all that "this close" crap. I was put off by that last week and then he does it again. Right there I told my son "this dude doesn't care". There was no "my bad". Instead he almost congratulates himself on being close to catching it. 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, paulmm3 said:

Next season gonna be some weird vibes. No other team will want Diggs at his cap number. We can't cut him because of the dead cap. So he's gonna be playing for us. But now everyone thinks he's a overpaid bum. So he goes from the ultra-competitive star player to Albert Haynesworth in 12 months.

 

So this is an interesting conversation.

 

Other teams *don't get Diggs at his cap number*.  His cap number is $27.85M.

But a lot of that is signing and restructure bonuses. 

 

So to other teams, his cap # is $18.5M and he's under contract for 4 years.  None of the $$ that go with Diggs is guaranteed until 3/17/2024.

And, if they want to, other teams could renegotiate part of that $18.5M into bonus and spread it out over 4 years. 

 

A salary of $18.5M would slot Diggs in as the #15 WR in the league for annual average.  Diggs is #6 in the league for targets, #7 for receptions, and #13 for yards.

 

Especially if there's some back-story about Diggs being hampered by injuries, he could be attractive as a trade target, depending upon what Beane could get for him.  He won't get a first, but if he could get a 2nd or 3rd, or do a player-for-player swap for a guy he thinks will do better here, I could see Beane going for it.

 

 

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Yep and stop with all that "this close" crap. I was put off by that last week and then he does it again. Right there I told my son "this dude doesn't care". There was no "my bad". Instead he almost congratulates himself on being close to catching it. 

 

Where and when did this congratulating himself on being close to catching it happen?

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

So this is an interesting conversation.

 

Other teams *don't get Diggs at his cap number*.  His cap number is $27.85M.

But a lot of that is signing and restructure bonuses. 

 

So to other teams, his cap # is $18.5M and he's under contract for 4 years.  None of the $$ that go with Diggs is guaranteed until 3/17/2024.

And, if they want to, other teams could renegotiate part of that $18.5M into bonus and spread it out over 4 years. 

 

A salary of $18.5M would slot Diggs in as the #15 WR in the league for annual average.  Diggs is #6 in the league for targets, #7 for receptions, and #13 for yards.

 

Especially if there's some back-story about Diggs being hampered by injuries, he could be attractive as a trade target, depending upon what Beane could get for him.  He won't get a first, but if he could get a 2nd or 3rd, or do a player-for-player swap for a guy he thinks will do better here, I could see Beane going for it.

 

 

 

Where and when did this congratulating himself on being close to catching it happen?

First time I sew it was Pittsburg. Could have been before but it hit me then. 

[peterpan]

Couldn’t we also trade Diggs away and move down in the draft? I remember the browns doing a trade like that a few years back.  
 

like our first and Diggs to the Texans for their 2nd or something like that. 

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

Couldn’t we also trade Diggs away and move down in the draft? I remember the browns doing a trade like that a few years back.  
 

like our first and Diggs to the Texans for their 2nd or something like that. 

 

Does that even save us any cap in this scenario? Pretty sure we have to eat it no matter what. 

[DrMaxPower]

It's hard to understand WTF has happened to this guy. I really hope there was some hidden injury situation but it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

All the swings/screens/hitches they ran to him felt like a desperate attempt to develop some engagement/buy in/effort. They are the last kind of play you'd run to a guy hiding an injury.

 

If you have a WR on a reduced snap count due to being banged up, you make sure those snaps happen on critical 3rd downs. The number of time he checked out on 3rd down was maddening.

 

I really hope somebody like Tim Graham is doing some digging because something is rotten and it's 1 of the biggest question marks coming out of another disappointing season.

[HappyDays]