Why is it so hard for fans to admit reality?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They are a bunch of bums 

 

 

Classic good bot

 

Help us Yolo, you're our only hope 

[Amaru523]

Did the Bills get lucky? Sure, but who gives a $h*t, they won. I think it's obvious that the Bills are opposite the Dolphins. The Fins look awesome against bad teams, but can't beat teams over .500, the Bills have shown multiple times this year that they get up for the good teams. The good news is (bad news for Fish fans), you won't be playing bad teams in the playoffs. Just get there.

[Don Otreply]

Skin of our teeth game imo, 

we executed poorly, Cook was not used in our passing game for some unknown reason, but we won, and when it comes down to it, the only stat column that counts is the win loss record…,  

 

We do have to do better, but us the players and anyone paying attention knows this,

 

GO BILLS!!!

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

 

For all of the complaining that's done here about our receivers, they didn't have a single receiver on the field yesterday that was better than Diggs, Davis, Kincaid, or Shakir.  

 

We cry about our injuries, but they were without Bosa, Herbert, and Allen.

 

They fielded a JV offense at best.

 

That offense logged 273 yards, has more 1st-Downs than we had, and managed 33 minutes time-of-possession.

 

 

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Process said:

Josh played like crap yesterday.

 

Did he!? I’ve seen several people write this, and he wasn’t perfect yesterday, but I don’t think he played like crap.

 

He had a bad 1st quarter.

 

The final 3 quarter, Allen was 12/15 (80%), for 207 yards, including an incredible game-saving throw off his back foot to Shakir.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Much of what you’ve listed are BS excuses.  We stole one yesterday.  

Stealing games is a part of football
 

The best teams in the league have bad games

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not about style points. This team hasn't scored more than 24 points in 9 of 15 games. The offense relies way too much on the big play to score. 

This is an absurd take.  This is a prime example of someone just whining to whine and manipulate info to confirm their bias.  You are lumping in Dorsey led offense (7 of those 9 were with him) with Brady led offense and they are not the same, but you’re doing it to exaggerate your bias.  

Edited December 24, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[muppy]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

 

oh. And big thanks to Pittsburgh yesterday.  
 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by muppy

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This is an absurd take.  This is a prime example of someone just whining to whine and manipulate info to confirm their bias.  You are lumping in Dorsey led offense with Brady led offense and they are not the same, but you’re doing it to exaggerate your bias.  

The first 2 weeks when Brady took over they looked good. Since then they haven't looked that much better than when Dorsey was in charge. They struggled to score against KC and again last night. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

You are doing something right when you lose the turn over battle 3-0 and still find a way to win. And the two fumbles gave the Chargers automatic FG’s with where they occurred. Not sure about the INT. 
 

 

[Scott7975]

32 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

AMEN!

 

Having a -3 turnover ratio and winning by 2 is indeed lucky, and anyone who doesn't admit we got lucky is delusional. We simply cannot just hand the ball to the other team and expect to win a championship, period, ESPECIALLY at -3 in turnover ratio.

 

And so far no one has answered this despite a few people insisting it was lucky... what was lucky?  We outplayed them despite being on the referees naughty list and turning the ball over but nowhere in the game did we get "lucky."

Edited December 24, 2023 by Scott7975

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

The first 2 weeks when Brady took over they looked good. Since then they haven't looked that much better than when Dorsey was in charge. They struggled to score against KC and again last night. 

KC has one of the best defenses in the NFL.  If you think an offense must score 30 every week against even the best defenses then you are delusional in your expectations.  
 

We went into KC against what was then the number 1 seed in the AFC, with the best QB and one of the best defenses in one of the toughest places to play and win a tough close game and scored 20…and somehow that’s not good enough for you?  LMAO, that’s just absurd.  

[Jrb1979]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

KC has one of the best defenses in the NFL.  If you think an offense must score 30 every week against even the best defenses then you are delusional in your expectations.  
 

We went into KC against what was then the number 1 seed in the AFC, with the best QB and one of the best defenses in one of the toughest places to play and win a tough close game and scored 20…and somehow that’s not good enough for you?  LMAO, that’s just absurd.  

Not if they are an AFC championship team. 

[The 9 Isles]

The way I see is that they were bound to have clunker of a game during this latest push to get into playoffs, at least it was to the Chargers and they still managed to pull it off, maybe they got it out of their system one last time. 
 

Maybe this was like sniffing smelling salts and 

refocused the whole squad. Maybe. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They are a bunch of bums 

 

 

it was the best of times it was the worst of times 

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Not if they are an AFC championship team. 

Your reasoning keeps getting worse 

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Your reasoning keeps getting worse 

You think they are an AFC championship team? 

[JJGauna]

Guys on the pregame this morning praising Josh for the game winning drive. Guessing they didn’t read this thread lol.

[Scott7975]

28 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I'm not so sure they figure it out. The offense has looked very vanilla all season. They last few weeks they have become a run first team that throws the deep ball. Where has the underneath passes gone or the throws across the middle gone. 

 

You aren't watching.  They throw underneath all game and to the middle quite a bit.  Just yesterdays game.... most passes inside 10 yards and most of those inside 5.  Most of the passes in the middle third of the field.

 

 

Again most of these passes underneath

 

 

Passes all over the field

 

 

A big chunk of passes to the middle

 

[Bobby Hooks]

Who is this psa for exactly? 
 

Mind-boggling someone’s sitting at home on x-mas eve thinking “these message board guys are nuts! Do they even know we got lucky yesterday?!”

 

Firstly, why do you care what others think? Secondly, why do you think they’ll care about this? 
 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Bobby Hooks

[Mr. WEO]

well...they did have to battle that vaunted "interim HC energy"......

[Bobby Hooks]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

well...they did have to battle that vaunted "interim HC energy"......

There were a lot of things in play against us yesterday. I’m actually encouraged they battled back. After those turnovers, I believe a lot of teams would’ve pack it up. 
 

Maybe I’m crazy. 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

The only thing that sucks is the OP and the endless whining fans during the game.  Clueless entitled fans think every team with a bad record is a weak team that should to be dominated. 

 

That's basically it.  We think we should beat some of these teams in blowouts, then we don't and fans yelp "aint it awful".

 

Reality is that every athlete in the NFL is amazing at a level most of us can't imagine. 

You know "that kid" who was easily the star of every sport he played when your kids were in high school?  He washed out of a DII team after 2 years. 

 

The incredibly athletic big guy who just DOMINATES the pick up volleyball game at the company canoe trip?  He played DI ball, signed as an UDFA, and was cut from the Raiders at the final 53.  They offered him a practice squad spot but he decided he didn't "like pain enough" to play football at the professional level and fell back on his industrial engineering degree.
 

The practice squad guys on the worst teams are still incredible athletes, and the difference between winning and losing a game can be the attitude and energy the guys take into preparation and then the game. 

 

A guy like Cook who was extra-sore from a fantastic game last week and then battling illness this week is probably putting himself back on the level of being an ordinary athlete and being susceptible to ordinary athletes '***** him up' with fumbles, just as Micah Parsons was against us last week.

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Beck Water

[BillsFanSD]

The Bills played rather poorly last night, but they have enough talent that they can still beat a sad-sack group like the Chargers despite a -3 turnover differential. No team plays their A-game every week, and there's no shame in taking an ugly W. What's the problem here?

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Yea, was absolutely the worst possible thing that could have happened. The Bills played a poor game, on the road. 

 

And won. Yes, they won. I'm not taking the time to fact check this, however I could SWEAR I have seen teams like the Brady led Patriots and well pretty much every team that has success have rough dog fight games that they have to pull of at the end.

 

The actual reality of the situation is the Bills are 9-6 and have won 3 straight since the bye. 2 road games and one at home against one of the top teams in the NFC. You and other can yell "Bah Humbug" and channel your inner Scrooge all y'all want. But right now, the Bills path to the playoffs (and VERY possibly to the division title) is in their own hands. Really hard to ask for much more after 15 games of a season. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

What was lucky about that?  We made the plays when it counted.  That’s what the good teams do

 

its kind of funny hearing fans claim we get lucky honestly…I can’t really think of an unluckier team.  Kickers are 26/27 against us, wrs in close games pull the wildest most improbable td catches out of their a**, bass couldn’t make a fg in a close game,defenders have had insanely good hands anytime there is a ball anywhere near them…does anyone remember a single dropped interception? Lol I don’t. Injuries to pretty much every key defensive player, we were handpicked to be the guinea pig of jax having back to back London games.  The list goes on.  That gift in the giants game was a drop in the bucket 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yea, was absolutely the worst possible thing that could have happened. The Bills played a poor game, on the road. 

 

And won. Yes, they won. I'm not taking the time to fact check this, however I could SWEAR I have seen teams like the Brady led Patriots and well pretty much every team that has success have rough dog fight games that they have to pull of at the end.

 

The actual reality of the situation is the Bills are 9-6 and have won 3 straight since the bye. 2 road games and one at home against one of the top teams in the NFC. You and other can yell "Bah Humbug" and channel your inner Scrooge all y'all want. But right now, the Bills path to the playoffs (and VERY possibly to the division title) is in their own hands. Really hard to ask for much more after 15 games of a season. 

The Chiefs won the SB last year, but in week 15 they needed OT to beat the worst team in the league (Texans) and eked out a 27-24 win against the lowly Broncos in week 17. And we all remember that because we were following along in our hopes for the 1 seed. 

[FLFan]

No one can rock the misery after a big win like Bills fans.  No one.  

[juno999]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

I wasn't happy with the game either.  Oliver played well and I thought Ford and Rousseau had some good plays as well.  The Bills had 3 turnovers that led to 13 Chargers points.  That's what kept the Chargers in the game. 

 

The Harty fumble was utterly stupid and a killer.  He wasn't going anywhere and his fumble led to a Charger TD.  More importantly it gave the Chargers the belief they could win.  This team doesn't play smart ball at times.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, juno999 said:

The Harty fumble was utterly stupid and a killer

That's why I prefer a punt catcher to a punt returner.

How many game-changing punt returns do we see each year? How many game-changing fumbled punts? Micah Hyde (if healthy) > Deonte Harty

[Mikie2times]

Bills are 4th in EPA offense and 14th in EPA defense in weeks 1-12

Bills are 10th in EPA offense and 11th in EPA defense since the the Eagles games (week 13)

 

Our fan base really wants to assign order to the last few weeks thinking we have turned some "corner". Reality is 3 of the last 4 could have went either way just as the majority of the games played out in weeks 1-12.  In this iteration 2 of 3 went our way. Earlier in the year, they didn't. The foundation of our play which is captured by EPA suggests very little has changed.

 

 

[GoBills808]

Whining about wins is for casuals and suckers

 

The NFL is about wins period full stop 

[The Frankish Reich]

On punt returns:

66 fumbled punts in the NFL so far this season.

14 punts returned 40+ yards.

Of course, not all fumbled punts are recovered by the kicking team.

But still ... if you are clearly the better team (which the Bills were last night), isn't it better to just fair catch every one or let it roll? If you are the worse team, you take the chance on a big special teams play.

I don't get why NFL teams refuse to pound this into their punt/kickoff returners.

[Joe Ferguson]

We wouldn't have Joe Brady as OC is we didn't have 12 men on the field. The Broncos loss was a blessing in disguise.

[nedboy7]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What was lucky about that?  We made the plays when it counted.  That’s what the good teams do

 

its kind of funny hearing fans claim we get lucky honestly…I can’t really think of an unluckier team.  Kickers are 26/27 against us, wrs in close games pull the wildest most improbable td catches out of their a**, bass couldn’t make a fg in a close game,defenders have had insanely good hands anytime there is a ball anywhere near them…does anyone remember a single dropped interception? Lol I don’t. Injuries to pretty much every key defensive player, we were handpicked to be the guinea pig of jax having back to back London games.  The list goes on.  That gift in the giants game was a drop in the bucket 

So on point.  If we were a lucky team with fair officiating we would be undefeated. 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Bills are 4th in EPA offense and 14th in EPA defense in weeks 1-12

Bills are 10th in EPA offense and 11th in EPA defense since the the Eagles games (week 13)

 

Our fan base really wants to assign order to the last few weeks thinking we have turned some "corner". Reality is 3 of the last 4 could have went either way just as the majority of the games played out in weeks 1-12.  In this iteration 2 of 3 went our way. Earlier in the year, they didn't. The foundation of our play which is captured by EPA suggests very little has changed.

 

 

All true. 

With one caveat: the level of the competition isn't the same. Granted, the Chargers without Herbert are pretty damn poor. But Eagles-Chiefs-Cowboys ain't Pats-Giants-Jets ...

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Troll threads are waaaayy too successful, waaaayy too often.

 

 

Troll my ass.  I was there opening day 1960.

[Pokebball]

My reality is that yesterday I woke up to the Bills not in the playoffs and went to bed with the Bills in the playoffs. A great day overall!

[DaggersEOD]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Yeah. It was you that jumped into the conversation that you weren’t a part of. Hiding behind an alias no less.. Only 500 posts in 6 years. Just screams your alter ego standing up for yourself once and for all. But somehow I can’t let it go. Here, I’ll be the bigger man and stop replying. I’m guessing you won’t do the same. Because you’re a child that thinks youre special. Heres a hint, you aren’t. 

Still going huh lil buddy? I actually deleted my posts but this was just too good. 
 

Pulling out Message Board rep huh? Nice! 👍

 

Not that it matters, but I actually transferred when the BBMB shut down. Decade plus there but you’re obviously much cooler 🤣🤣

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

Ahhhhh there it is!! The old “can’t expect to play like that and beat________” Boeing cliche that’s used in here all the time after a close win. Here’s the thing about close wins-it’s an absolute impossibility to play a flawless game and also have the game be close. All i keep reading all season is “the Bills got lucky that this didn’t happen” no they are winning some close games and losing some close ones. A big complaint on here is the Bills can’t win close games. Guess what, they won a close game yesterday. In case you have forgotten, the other team is also paid to play football too.

 

i feel like you’re ignoring the responses being made to your posts-not one person has said they played a good game yesterday. They played an ugly game BUT THEY STILL WON. That is infinitely more important than whatever point you’re trying to make 

I’m glad they won.  But we are basically in the playoffs now and they can’t have that kind of effort and continue on.

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

You really have done a 180 since the off-season.

True.  Because the inconsistency is the team is maddening.