In Summary Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 What Brady is doing with the backs and Cook is fantastic. Very entertaining. If you never got to see and appreciate Thurman, Cook gives you a taste. So frustrating to see Beane get this talent and then not use it earlier in the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I mean Josh had Gabe running wide open for the go ahead TD and he just completely didn't even see him. Not everything is Brady. Giving Josh a pass there although it would’ve been beautiful (assuming Gabe doesnt drop it- big if!). Hard to see the whole field when you have Chris Jones bearing down and you’re running for your life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Spagnuolo badly out coached him in the 2nd half, but Spagnuolo is probably the best defensive mind in the league. So far this year only Matt Lafleur has straight up out coached him. If we want an offensive mind that can match up against him it will have to come from the top because OCs that good don't remain OCs for long. Alternatively we can actually just try to build an elite offensive supporting cast around Allen, and that will trump coaching every time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I made a thread about a new assistant hire that I didn’t know about but it never got any traction. I think it applies here so I am going to copy it here…. This article just popped up in my MSN feed. I knew nothing about this. Thoughts? The Buffalo Bills made a smart under-the-radar move to start the week that should only serve to help the offense. Buffalo reportedly hired DJ Mangas as an offensive assistant. Most of the time, an offensive assistant hire doesn't move the needle. But Mangas is an interesting addition to the Bills' staff due to his connection to offensive coordinator Joe Brady. Mangas and Brady are extremely close. The two played college football together at William & Mary. And more importantly, they were on staff together at LSU during the Tigers' record-breaking season in 2019 that featured monstrous performances from Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, and Justin Jefferson. Mangas sat next to Brady throughout LSU's national championship run. Mangas has since served as an assistant with the Carolina Panthers and as the passing game coordinator at LSU. He was most recently the offensive coordinator at the University of Buffalo. It's not like the addition of Mangas is suddenly going to take the Bills' offense to a new level. But his addition will allow Brady to be a little more comfortable in his role as Buffalo's offensive coordinator. Continuity on an offensive staff is incredibly important. And having Mangas, who actually officiated Brady's wedding, will provide some of that much-needed continuity. This move also shows that Sean McDermott is committed to letting Brady run his offense, which is something the young play-caller didn't really get to do during his short run as the Panthers' offensive coordinator under Matt Rhule (and that job set Brady's career back a bit). By firing Ken Dorsey, the Bills may have stumbled into one of the best offensive coordinator situations in the NFL. there was also a tweet but I couldn’t figure out how to turn it back into a link and copy it from my phone. No biggie though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKelso'sHelmet Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Not ready. How often has it been the case that a new coordinator has success, only to fall back to earth after teams adapt to their tendencies? I will say that Dorsey was a cancer. Promoting him to OC almost destroyed this team. With that perspective, Brady is doing a great job so far. Dorsey was a rolodex coordinator. He didn't have any strategy. Brady is definitely more of a strategist. And he knows how to use Cook. Let's get all the RBs involved! 2 hours ago, In Summary said: What Brady is doing with the backs and Cook is fantastic. Very entertaining. If you never got to see and appreciate Thurman, Cook gives you a taste. So frustrating to see Beane get this talent and then not use it earlier in the year. Not sure about the comparison to a HoF player. But yes, Thurman was an elite pass catcher in his time. If Cook can get going even more this team will win more games no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Let the season play out. Not crazy about how the 1st half ended. Also had issues in the 2nd half-- especially the final drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I’d guess a lot of hires in the NFL, especially those closest to the coordinator are with the thought of eventual elevation via the coordinator moving on to a HC position or a firing. Seems like Brady was in that position here. Unless he craps the bed, I’d consider him the next full time OC. The hiring of Mangas points that way. Especially if he has the backing of Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 No, still way too many terrible in game decisions, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but I’m not impressed yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 15 hours ago, mrags said: He will be the OC going forward next year. Bank it. Joe might be a hot commodity after Bills win the Super Bowl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Pete said: Joe might be a hot commodity after Bills win the Super Bowl If they win he absolutely would be. We were in the basement it felt like until he came in. Then all the sudden Allen looks like Allen again. He will get a lot of credit if that happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 18 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I mean Josh had Gabe running wide open for the go ahead TD and he just completely didn't even see him. Not everything is Brady. Not everything, but after a well called game in the first half it went south in the second. Their defense adjusted and the Bills offense, for the most part, didn't. Still no idea where Cook disappeared to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, UKBillFan said: Not everything, but after a well called game in the first half it went south in the second. Their defense adjusted and the Bills offense, for the most part, didn't. Still no idea where Cook disappeared to. I will pardon Brady somewhat because I thought our WRs and our OL were both dreadful in this game. It's tough to do anything on offense when you're up against that kind of vulnerability. I agree that his biggest failing was abandoning the run game and passes to Cook in the 2nd half. I don't really understand what he was thinking there but hopefully he learned something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Pete said: Joe might be a hot commodity after Bills win the Super Bowl 5 hours ago, mrags said: If they win he absolutely would be. We were in the basement it felt like until he came in. Then all the sudden Allen looks like Allen again. He will get a lot of credit if that happened Plus he has at least 3 head coaching interviews before so its not like he wasn't already on the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 We will see how the rest of this season goes but I’d still be shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Watching the Chiefs game back, the play calling around the two minute warning was abysmal. No runs? Why the pass to Diggs at 2:12, which put the offense behind the chains? Cook had got two four yard plays at the start of the series and then disappeared again. They gave the ball back to the Chiefs with 1:54 remaining despite having 1st & 10 at the KC 22 at 2:12. It was dreadful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) On 12/11/2023 at 2:24 PM, mrags said: He will be the OC going forward next year. Bank it. Well it would be stupid to replace him when this team runs the gamet and wins their first Lombardi. And any Bills fan will know it is because we have Josh Allen, but you get a guy that gets Josh and Co to string together a win streak that gets the trophy you don't make a change. You give him a new contract and pay as a top OC deserves. Edited December 13, 2023 by AuntieEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Yes. He game plans for each team, using different weapons like tools to attack a specific weakness of the opponent. He's done a great job. Imagine what he can do w/ an off-season to prepare. I know there's more games to go, but yes Brady is the future at OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFooteball Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I move slowly but I’m now ready to take next base with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Not sure if I'm giving him a ring but after spanking Dallas with JUST THE RUN GAME I'll tickle his taint. If we keep winning, who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Kurt Warner was in the school of It-Was-the-QB's-Fault-Not-the-OC's. Kurt knows 13,487 times more about football than I do. But I think he may have been wrong on this point. So fun to see our offense evolve into something more than Allen-to-Diggs with Allen expected to perform heroics for us to win. Discovering and unleashing a running game should make life easier for Allen going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 As of this moment, yes I am. I mean, not even as OC, I think my wife will understand that we are now part of a polyamorous group that involves someone neither of us personally knows. Bluntly, re: the Cowboy game, running full speed at the Cowboys knowing that we can exploit a weakness and daring them to stop us is something we have seen opposing OC's do to the Bills too many times. It was running the ball with a lead, at home, in miserable weather which is situational football 101 where everyone knew it was coming and Brady still made it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I hope we let it play out and hire the best option available. If its Brady vs a similar entity then Brady has the advantage of being in the building. If you have the chance to upgrade the you have to consider that as well, maybe it means Brady stays to be groomer further for the job in a few years, maybe it means he leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 OC next year, Head Coach in 2025 if we care about keeping him and not having to hit the reset button on our most prized asset year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 If this game continues, with how last week went, no. If anything, he’s losing the job as we watch 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It's a no from me. Running game has improved, but passing game is worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 We need a real OC and a half dozen playmakers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Ok so it's the Dorsey conversation again. Bad play calls AND players who just aren't doing their jobs. Im Sick of all these dropped balls. Sick of josh not seeing wide open receivers but instead throwing into double coverage or at ankles. Ohh and stop running screen plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) Right now no. I think a lot depends on how far we go in the playoffs. I think he’s been far more efficient than Dorsey and got rid of some of his stupidity. But for as much energy as he brought to the position during the change it seems to be fading As for this patriots game it’s not just Brady though. Players are not executing. But also haven’t been in love with some of his play designs depending on down and distances Edited December 31, 2023 by Chugga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 54 minutes ago, Chugga said: Right now no. I think a lot depends on how far we go in the playoffs. I think he’s been far more efficient than Dorsey and got rid of some of his stupidity. But for as much energy as he brought to the position during the change it seems to be fading As for this patriots game it’s not just Brady though. Players are not executing. But also haven’t been in love with some of his play designs depending on down and distances We aren’t in yet. Bills can still lose this game and I don’t see the Dolphins game being a sure win by any means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, Virgil said: We aren’t in yet. Bills can still lose this game and I don’t see the Dolphins game being a sure win by any means If we don’t make the playoffs then you can just refer to the 3rd word in my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 No. With a big period. I understand there is only so much he can do but he has Sherfield, Harty and Murray on the field way too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Brady stunk today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkim0904 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 NO... opponents figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
it is what it is Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Absolutely not and clappy can go with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 When I started this thread I felt like McD would be rolling with him next year. I still feel that is likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Virgil said: If this game continues, with how last week went, no. If anything, he’s losing the job as we watch i may have made a few very colorful comments during the game directed directly at him regarding this. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It was a Vegas weekend marriage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 We back to playing loser offense again. It was a good ride for a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Iverwig said: Brady stunk today i couldnt smell him but from a distance..he didnt look that great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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