MiltonWaddams Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I wish it were fixed so I could have a viable excuse for the Bills inability to win big games, but WEO is on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, frostbitmic said: C'mon man, you know that for it to be a catch it requires ... 5 Golden steps 3 Football moves And a Partridge in a Pear Tree. only if it’s a receiver on the team the Bills are facing. Edited December 3, 2023 by RiotAct And only if the receiver gets the ball jarred loose after turning downfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 No. That’d be the stupidest, brand jeopardizing, wealth destroying, scheme imaginable. I’m leaving out the impossible to accomplish without exposure angle. “We have one of the most exclusive, century old, billion dollar industries on the planet that works just fine and keeps getting rmore lucrative. I know, let’s risk it by involving unsophisticated operatives like part time working-man officials and pro athletes, many of whom are recreational drug users.” For those that want to exclude league involvement and just bring in Vegas, amend my quote changing century to centuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Easy $$$ make money who cares / losing teams have proven to be profitable You can’t tell me refs don’t dictate gsmes ie Philly vs Buffalo 10 penalties to 1 in the first half seemed to slow down the smack down we were giving them I did not state they don't influence games, I state they are not "rigged". The NFL is terribly officiated and the NFL is not upset about it, but the officials don't make calls to make sure one team wins but often the officials are just incompetent. I would like officials like in my daughter's basketball game yesterday, we lost a close game because the official was very tight on travels and several kids on her team think it is the NBA, the officials were consistent and I had to repeatedly tell the kids that it would be called. It influenced the game but as long as it is consistent I am happy. The NFL is horrendously inconsistent within the same game and that is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 18 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not scripted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I don't know if games are "fixed", but there is something going on with the way the schedule is made and the way games are officated. Remember the depths of the drought when bills had more games against teams off any type of rest than any other? It was a repeated thing, not just a one-year one-off. The league made more money when the Pats were winning and Brady had incredible games. It is pretty clear that certain players are favored, too. The NFL gets a ton of money from jersey sales alone, so it is in the NFL's best interest to have those teams with the prime players featured and winnning. So, maybe not fixed, but there are definite preferences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: I did not state they don't influence games, I state they are not "rigged". The NFL is terribly officiated and the NFL is not upset about it, but the officials don't make calls to make sure one team wins but often the officials are just incompetent. I would like officials like in my daughter's basketball game yesterday, we lost a close game because the official was very tight on travels and several kids on her team think it is the NBA, the officials were consistent and I had to repeatedly tell the kids that it would be called. It influenced the game but as long as it is consistent I am happy. The NFL is horrendously inconsistent within the same game and that is the issue. Hold a second here i get you I don’t like to blame officials but hear me out so let’s say the teams aren’t in on it but refs are given a script to follow and have to impede influence to win the game as the nfl says. non call blatant pi? pi in key game changing moment? I’ve seen it you have and that’s where I think this is possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Im concerned that the refs might be under pressure to call the games so vegas makes more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 This reminds me of the days when folks kept insisting that the refs were instructed to make calls in favor of Brady and the Pats. Time to get out the tin foil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, prissythecat said: This reminds me of the days when folks kept insisting that the refs were instructed to make calls in favor of Brady and the Pats. Time to get out the tin foil. Is that the same time where that team got caught cheating and the evidence kept disappearing or the time when they kept getting caught cheating and they slapped them on the wrist? I get confused, there are so many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Is that the same time where that team got caught cheating and the evidence kept disappearing or the time when they kept getting caught cheating and they slapped them on the wrist? I get confused, there are so many. yea . You are confused . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 If the nfl decided to hold officials accountable, they wouldn’t have any officials. They’re all so bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, prissythecat said: yea . You are confused . So those things didn't happen then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Just now, That's No Moon said: So those things didn't happen then? that’s correct. Billionaire owners never agreed to have the league favor a single team at their expense. as to the Pats cheating by stealing calls or playing with ball inflation , I’ll let sports historians figure out how to categorize that in the history books when they write about the Pats dynasty many years in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, prissythecat said: that’s correct. Billionaire owners never agreed to have the league favor a single team at their expense. as to the Pats cheating by stealing calls or playing with ball inflation , I’ll let sports historians figure out how to categorize that in the history books when they write about the Pats dynasty many years in the future So it did happen, but it wasn't league organized or sanctioned by the other owners? And the commissioner, who works for the owners, he surely lost his job then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: So it did happen, but it wasn't league organized or sanctioned by the other owners? And the commissioner, who works for the owners, he surely lost his job then. You have quite a story then . Perhaps time to share this massive conspiracy with the news outlets ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: You have quite a story then . Perhaps time to share this massive conspiracy with the news outlets ? I mean, thank God that none of those things happened. That would be crazy. I'd should lay off the peyote before bedtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I'm starting to smells me a San Fran/Miami Superbowl. Goodell would love that. Not sure why he would want Miami. Even when they are good, they still can't fill 2/3 of that stadium with fin fans. Horrible fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Just now, Bubba Gump said: I'm starting to smells me a San Fran/Miami Superbowl. Goodell would love that. Not sure why he would want Miami. Even when they are good, they still can't fill 2/3 of that stadium with fin fans. Horrible fanbase. Last year in Miami a guy from Germany sat next to us. He was on holiday and tried to convince us he was really a SanFran fan. 😆... He took pictures every time the Dolphins scored. My wife would nudge me when he was taking pics. 😆... Some 9ers fan, Fins hater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) With legalized gambling on games, there is extra cash to be earned by refs on the side which could explain some of the “horrible” officiating. They don’t have to be the ones placing bets. Others can do it for them. Money can be laundered. Edited December 4, 2023 by Andy1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 If you are an NFL fan long enough there is no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Hold a second here i get you I don’t like to blame officials but hear me out so let’s say the teams aren’t in on it but refs are given a script to follow and have to impede influence to win the game as the nfl says. non call blatant pi? pi in key game changing moment? I’ve seen it you have and that’s where I think this is possible You and I aren't that much different, I simply don't believe the NFL is dumb enough to fix a game prior to the game. I definitely could be convinced a crew was doing it for money or some other reason, but the NFL is not going to fix a game when they can simply say " hey look out for Dawkins and the way he wraps the right arm". Not fixing game but certainly influencing. My last point is that people have confirmation bias, so if they expect to see Tommy Boy complete a pass they will look harder to figure out why making poor calls more likely, especially when the officials are not able to keep up physically forget about mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I don't know if I believe that "the game is fixed" in the sense that the NFL says "we want Team Bird to win the game over Team Turd" or the like. I think that the word is out at times to "protect the stars of the game" leading to star QB like Mahomes getting the benefit of the doubt on roughing calls. I also think there may be a mandate to "keep it interesting" by giving the underdog the benefit of the doubt early in the game. I also think individual refs have personal biases that interfere with their judgement. As the saying goes "let a man get a reputation for rising early, and he may sleep 'til noon without changing it". MVS is a 50% catch rate guy. If he were CeeDee Lamb or Tyreek Hill with a >70% catch rate, maybe he gets the call. I also think betting can influence things - I don't think refs are allowed to bet, but what stops their buddy Fred from betting on their behalf and quietly sharing the loot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: You and I aren't that much different, I simply don't believe the NFL is dumb enough to fix a game prior to the game. I definitely could be convinced a crew was doing it for money or some other reason, but the NFL is not going to fix a game when they can simply say " hey look out for Dawkins and the way he wraps the right arm". Not fixing game but certainly influencing. My last point is that people have confirmation bias, so if they expect to see Tommy Boy complete a pass they will look harder to figure out why making poor calls more likely, especially when the officials are not able to keep up physically forget about mentally. I don’t think it’s as specific as a video game - I do think there is merit to the refs knowing the spread and knowing the rules - like blackjack per se - favor the house. the nfl has been caught - they won a court case against jets fans stating this is entertainment A we entertained it’s not a sport that was enough to really make me dig lots of money and they know who will make it for them bride you say well Allen is marketable and the bills would make them billions youre right bir that’s where there is a gray area becuase despite losing this season - buffalo made them billion and we aren’t going anywhere. Essentially they know what’s going to make them billions Just now, Drew21PA said: I don’t think it’s as specific as a video game - I do think there is merit to the refs knowing the spread and knowing the rules - like blackjack per se - favor the house. the nfl has been caught - they won a court case against jets fans stating this is entertainment A we entertained it’s not a sport that was enough to really make me dig lots of money and they know who will make it for them bride you say well Allen is marketable and the bills would make them billions youre right bir that’s where there is a gray area becuase despite losing this season - buffalo made them billion and we aren’t going anywhere. Essentially they know what’s going to make them billions Same with Dallas not winning championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The league is not so much “fixed” as it is heavily controlled…, 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I have to believe that with so many players, coaches, medical staff, and refs involved that there has to be some sort of fix on every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Don Otreply said: The league is not so much “fixed” as it is heavily controlled…, Those men in black that came out during the Texans playoff game. Man, that was creepy. Where was the local media chasing that story??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 I don't think the league is overtly "fixed". The reason is there would be far too much to lose (literally the entire league would go down the drain) and far too little to gain (the league wouldn't make that much more money if they got the matchups they most desired). The incentives just aren't there for the league to be fixed. Now do I think that referees do have personal bias and that can influence games? Of course, but do I think there are top down orders from the league office to instruct referees to make favorable calls for one team? No, it just is far too much to lose and far too little to gain for that level of conspiracy to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 The horrendous officiating will make this a never ending question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 What I think people are missing in the “league wouldn’t be that stupid” crowd is that this was not a case of a clean league suddenly becoming crooked. This is a case of an originally crooked league becoming less overtly crooked over time. Read Interference by Dan Moldea. You’ll understand how deep gambling and organized crime runs in the NFL from the absolute highest levels (commissioners and owners). These are not far fetched conspiracies but well documented. They are just “kept out of sight”. Most of your favorite players from the 70s and 80s have been involved in gambling/fixing scandals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. Spoken like a true politician who is trying to cover up their never ending corrupt BS. There is room for incompetence and a lack of integrity in everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Small market subliminal bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: People that believe in conspiracies have never worked in management at large companies. Those that have understand how ridiculous the notion is. Never associate that with malice that can be explained by incompetence. For most of my life I lived believing this general idea that for the most part people mean well. I still believe this in common people, but not when big money is involved. I don't buy into conspiracies at large but I do believe people are greedy and have agendas. The world is full of examples but without getting into any of that and respecting this as a football conversation, I don't believe that the NFL is fixed. However, with Vegas now in bed with the NFL, I just can't see how there isn't a little something happening here and there to sway in specific directions. It happened in the NBA why is it far fetched to believe it could happen in the NFL? I wish I had more faith in people I just don't. Edited December 4, 2023 by Goin Breakdown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not scripted Idk what he was thinking to quote Aikmans commentary live. Assumed Diggs was headed for sideline while he was in the air I guess. Why beat him to the angle idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I don't care if it is pretend. I'll still watch. He does find some interesting ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 2:10 PM, Orlando Tim said: I am assuming this is meant as a joke- the DB assumed Diggs was heading for the sideline and when Diggs didn't he was caught out of position. Bad play not scripted How bout Strahan. Lol. Is he an actor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: I don't care if it is pretend. I'll still watch. He does find some interesting ones. Lol preseason game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Lol preseason game So that's good reason to avoid contact? I love preseason. Bummer it's only 3 weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: So that's good reason to avoid contact? I love preseason. Bummer it's only 3 weeks now. Yes what is the scenario of that play maybe he didn’t want to blow up the guy and risk injury to both of them probably made a business decision the only time I saw a tackle like that was the vikes saints game where he whiffed on diggs which was sketchy but a preseason clip is laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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