Von Miller

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Well, now he matches our feelings with his "play" and "playtime"... 

Why does the lynch mob try to speak for others? 

[Simon]

43 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

Agree with that, but McD is actually reducing his snap counts each week as he realizes what's happening. I think that's the smart way to handle it. Reduce it to zero and he won't get up to speed.

 

Yeah, I agree they are doing it the best way it can be done. At the risk of triggering anybody, it's a "process".

fwiw, I've seen him do a few things the last two weeks that indicate he's getting more confident with the knee.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Why does the lynch mob try to speak for others? 

 

You can speak... I'm not stopping you from saying inane things. Want to defend his contract and poor play? GO RIGHT AHEAD.

[wppete]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Do we have any reason to believe he’s not fully healthy?

 

Our coaching/training staff is notoriously conservative when bringing guys back from injury.

Have you seen him out there? That is not the same player. Either he is not fully healthy or he doesn’t want to play anymore. I’m going with he is not fully healthy. 

[Einstein]

 

[Dillenger4]

I have noticed his speed is progressing. He is pushing the RT backwards. If Von can now make the cut towards the QB he will be back. I sure hope it's his brace holding him back. I wtched him last night and his explosive rush off the line is there! It's just that he runs straight past the pocket every time. I bet McD is telling him to do that. Baby steps... we will see.

[Matt_In_NH]

He was taking for very deep and very wide paths, I think he need to attend his pass rush summit to learn how its done.

[MJS]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

Yeah, I agree they are doing it the best way it can be done. At the risk of triggering anybody, it's a "process".

fwiw, I've seen him do a few things the last two weeks that indicate he's getting more confident with the knee.

I mean, this is exactly what everyone called for. Bring him back slowly and allow him to work to get back to effectiveness by the playoffs.

 

Now many of those same people are lamenting that he isn't doing much. Well, yeah, that was always going to be the case, but maybe in a few weeks he will get to the point that he is somewhat his old self. Also, maybe he won't. It is a risk.

 

But I think they should still give him some snaps each week. If there is even a small chance that he could get back to what he was, even just somewhat, that would be huge for the playoffs if we get in.

[LabattBlue]

I don’t want him on the field in the 4th quarter while he is pretending to be an NFL player.   Shame on McDummy for giving him ANY snaps, let alone snaps with a game in the balance. 

[Bagwell358]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t want him on the field in the 4th quarter while he is pretending to be an NFL player.   Shame on McDummy for giving him ANY snaps, let alone snaps with a game in the balance. 

Was this game ever in the balance?

[Success]

I don't think we've seen the last of "good" Von.  

 

It was an ACL. With some guys, quite a bit of time is needed before they get back to form. Tre was just rounding into form this season before he got hurt again.

 

Keeping the faith.....

 

[947]

I fully understand him getting back into it. What bothers me is his level of effort. He gets off fast on the snap, then just slows down & stands there. He is not even trying to make a play most of the time. It's one thing if he can't do it yet, but not even trying is another all together. Let him sit until he's capable of a 100% effort. I can't understand why he takes reps from AJ who is playing well.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

washed

 

[NoName]

There was a play during the Seahawks game.  Von miller was rushing Wilson, he was in the midst of a spin move. Wilson threw the ball for a big play (possibly a touchdown) and when the replay was shown, you can see von miller being single blocked, no where near Wilson, turned the opposite direction as the other defensive lineman (because he was spinning) watching the ball in the air.  I am probably not explaining it well but all I can think of now when I see Miller is bread fresh out the toaster…..#toast

[Breakout Squad]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I don’t want him on the field in the 4th quarter while he is pretending to be an NFL player.   Shame on McDummy for giving him ANY snaps, let alone snaps with a game in the balance. 

Quite dramatic 

[LabattBlue]

56 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said:

Was this game ever in the balance?

I’m talking about all the games Miller has appeared in, not one game. 😉

2 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

Quite dramatic 

Yeah. Dramatic like when Mixon ran right  by a half-ass Miller effort. 

[Breakout Squad]

2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I’m talking about all the games Miller has appeared in, not one game. 😉

Yeah. Dramatic like when Mixon ran right  by a half-ass Miller effort. 

I’m not defending Miller. But you sound dramatic 🤷

[Augie]

8 hours ago, wppete said:

Have you seen him out there? That is not the same player. Either he is not fully healthy or he doesn’t want to play anymore. I’m going with he is not fully healthy. 

 

How quickly people forget what Tre White looked like when he eventually came back. It’s not a Doc telling you you’re fine, so nothing ever happened. It happened, and it takes time. 

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said:

I’m not defending Miller. But you sound dramatic 🤷

How else should I say that he has sucked and contributed nothing since being activated?

[Breakout Squad]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

How else should I say that he has sucked and contributed nothing since being activated?

Haha that made me chuckle. Good point. I guess I don’t expect anything out of him now more than being a fresh end in rotation. 

[BarleyNY]

Just now, Augie said:

 

How quickly people forget what Tre White looked like when he eventually came back. It’s not a Doc telling you you’re fine, so nothing ever happened. It happened, and it takes time. 

 

The real question is how far back Miller can get. My hope was that he would be back close to his former self just prior to the playoffs. I thought that was what was most important - and a reasonable time frame. But the longer this drags on, the more concerning the situation is. And I said “my hope” because at his age there is no guarantee that he makes it back close to his former self or that it happens this season. 

[JerseyBills]

But he goes up and down the sideline and tells superior players not to Blink! That's elite leadership! Lol 

 

Dude should focus on his VonCast and GM aspirations and retire after a ring this year.  Stop taking snaps from guys

Edited November 20, 2023 by JerseyBills

[mjt328]

The majority of snaps should be going to Leonard Floyd and AJ Epenesa right now, with Shaq Lawson/Kingsley Jonathan coming off the bench.

 

Von Miller isn't anywhere close to back, and is making zero impact right now.

Greg Rousseau should probably be sitting and getting his foot better.

 

I don't understand having so much depth, and then making guys play at 75% percent.

 

[Augie]

26 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The real question is how far back Miller can get. My hope was that he would be back close to his former self just prior to the playoffs. I thought that was what was most important - and a reasonable time frame. But the longer this drags on, the more concerning the situation is. And I said “my hope” because at his age there is no guarantee that he makes it back close to his former self or that it happens this season. 

Unfortunately, his best years under this contract have been seriously diminished by injury. You can argue not unexpected at his age, but he was performing very well prior to the injury. Sometimes you take a big swing and it’s not a home run.

 

But I agree, there is no telling how close his play will ever be compared to before the injury just a year ago (almost). It might take more time to heal, while his window is closing.  

 

 

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Edited November 20, 2023 by Augie

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

Unfortunately, his best years under this contract have been seriously diminished by injury. You can argue not unexpected at his age, but he was performing very well prior to the injury. Sometimes you take a big swing and it’s not a home run.

 

But I agree, there is no telling how close his play will ever be compared to before the injury just a year ago (almost). It might take more time to heal, while his window is closing.  

 

 

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I agree. While I can find fault with the Bills putting themselves into a position where they needed to make a move like signing Von Miller, I think it was the move they needed to make at the time. Taking the chance on him made sense considering where they were at the time. 

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The real question is how far back Miller can get. My hope was that he would be back close to his former self just prior to the playoffs. I thought that was what was most important - and a reasonable time frame. But the longer this drags on, the more concerning the situation is. And I said “my hope” because at his age there is no guarantee that he makes it back close to his former self or that it happens this season. 

 

Maybe he doesn't get back.   No one csn tell but he certainly is putting it the work to get there. Baby steps but they are steps.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

16 snaps

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The real question is how far back Miller can get. My hope was that he would be back close to his former self just prior to the playoffs. I thought that was what was most important - and a reasonable time frame. But the longer this drags on, the more concerning the situation is. And I said “my hope” because at his age there is no guarantee that he makes it back close to his former self or that it happens this season. 

said it all off-season… his ability down the stretch was likely the gap between Super Bowl contender vs playoff contender. I don’t think that’s far off still. An added game wrecker off the edge makes the next 6 weeks much more manageable than it would be in his absence 

28 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I agree. While I can find fault with the Bills putting themselves into a position where they needed to make a move like signing Von Miller, I think it was the move they needed to make at the time. Taking the chance on him made sense considering where they were at the time. 

my only concern was duration at his age. It would’ve been nice to get a second contract guy instead of a third contract guy if going all in on someone 

[coloradobillsfan]

2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

The majority of snaps should be going to Leonard Floyd and AJ Epenesa right now, with Shaq Lawson/Kingsley Jonathan coming off the bench.

 

Von Miller isn't anywhere close to back, and is making zero impact right now.

Greg Rousseau should probably be sitting and getting his foot better.

 

I don't understand having so much depth, and then making guys play at 75% percent.

 

It really begs the question how much more progression he could make on the field in live action, vs. on the practice field.  If it's not demonstrably significant, I'd rather he 'ramps up' on the practice field until he's really ready to contribute.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Maybe we should get this guy off the line and use him more of how we used to use the Lorax. Standing up and a “Linebacker” but not really in any form of LB responsibility 

[Airseven]

Miller was never going to be effective this season. The question is whether he should be playing at all. I still think some of the quickness and fluidity returns next year, but I’d prefer he wasn’t working out the kinks right now by taking a game day spot.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Miller was never going to be effective this season. The question is whether he should be playing at all. I still think some of the quickness and fluidity returns next year, but I’d prefer he wasn’t working out the kinks right now by taking a game day spot.

Im starting to agree. 
 

I was on board with him getting snaps just so we can hopefully get 80% Von by the playoffs … but now we actually have to focus on making the playoffs. 
 

And, at the very minimum, Von cannot take any snaps away from Floyd, Epenesa or Rousseau.   
 

I can see the hope that one of these games it clicks and the snaps he takes from Shaq prove to be worthwhile, but we cannot have the Von rush that dips completely out of the screen allowing Hurts/Mahomes to simply scamper for 10-15 yards on 3rd and 6+ over these next two games. 

[FilthyBeast]

At this point you have to assume that Miller isn't going to make any real impact this year, including postseason should bills get there.

 

In fact if I'm McD, I'm almost inclined to sit him this week and give him an extended break during the bye week as a last ditch effort to see if he can bring anything to the table when they head to KC for the stretch run.

[zow2]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

At this point you have to assume that Miller isn't going to make any real impact this year, including postseason should bills get there.

 

In fact if I'm McD, I'm almost inclined to sit him this week and give him an extended break during the bye week as a last ditch effort to see if he can bring anything to the table when they head to KC for the stretch run.

 

I would prefer if McD had made him inactive weeks ago.   But if he sits Von for the Eagles game I'll give McD credit for actually putting the rehab aside and trying to play the best possible defensive lineup to win this game.