John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 you mean other than our division 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: In which case McDermott would have gone through 3 offensive coordinators, 1 defensive coordinator, and 1 special teams coordinator, as head coach. At what point does the onus fall on him? Pegula loves him. I’ve mentioned it in other topic threads. I think it’ll will take two years of double digit loss seasons to have Pegula seriously consider removing McD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 McDermott played not to lose, unfortunately Allen played to win, when boring McD ball was required. How can the QB be so off script from the coach? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeLongBillsFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, Dr.Sack said: McDermott played not to lose, unfortunately Allen played to win, when boring McD ball was required. How can the QB be so off script from the coach? Allen played to win? When? At exactly what point was he actually trying to win? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, LifeLongBillsFan said: Allen played to win? When? At exactly what point was he actually trying to win? I’d say 1st down at the Jets 38 up 7 with 5 minutes to go. McDermott was content to get 5-9 yards and kick a FG. Allen went rogue. Not on McD. That’s on Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Or JA….dude is all Braun and no brains…that’s not a winning combo in the NFL, especially at QB… Come on Crisp, apparently Sherbert is all Looks and Brains and no Braun...Josh has Brains and Braun and Looks... Remember Burrows 85 yard day??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I genuinely wonder if we would get rid of Dorsey mid season, or even early in the season. I wouldn't have thought we would, but it might become a necessity. This team is SLOPPY and that's all on coaching. We were crazy sloppy all year in 2022 under Dorsey. We look discombobulated, even at our best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Today wasn’t a coaching issue. Your QB throws 3 picks, a fumble, and a definite fumble (if not for a very early whistle), coaching isn’t the issue. McD has blown games. This wasn’t one of them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Chugga said: I’ve said it 50 times and I’ll say it 50 more. 13 seconds was our super bowl. That was our game. That was our year. With every passing day that we get farther away from 13 seconds the more it haunts me. We’ve done nothing to better ourselves from that game. I knew it in my heart that night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Chugga said: I’ve said it 50 times and I’ll say it 50 more. 13 seconds was our super bowl. That was our game. That was our year. With every passing day that we get farther away from 13 seconds the more it haunts me. We’ve done nothing to better ourselves from that game. McDermott should've been fired immediately after 13 seconds. I said right after the game that McD was destined to be fired by the Bills; the only question was whether the Pegulas would waste 5-8 years before firing him, or whether they would move on right away and hopefully find an innovative, ballsy, non-choking coach. They chose to waste years. Sigh. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 hours ago, FireChans said: McD ain't telling Josh to throw into triple coverage all night, sorry to inform you. But Allen feels comfortable doing it with Dorsey and McLoser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: This team is a mess and it's in decline. Undisciplined, weak-minded, and with no real idea on how to use their talent. The guy has got to go. If Michigan hires or poached him I don’t really care. At this point he’s worn out his welcome here. I wish him the best of luck in his future ventures in the college ranks but in the NFL he’s just not it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I knew it in my heart that night. Praying every night since then that McDermott was hired and poached by college programs. Teams now entering a free fall and doesn’t have anywhere to go but down. In my heart McDermott was a frat boy legacy hire and that’s all he’s ever been in my honest opinion. 36 minutes ago, harryS said: McDermott should've been fired immediately after 13 seconds. I said right after the game that McD was destined to be fired by the Bills; the only question was whether the Pegulas would waste 5-8 years before firing him, or whether they would move on right away and hopefully find an innovative, ballsy, non-choking coach. They chose to waste years. Sigh. Agreed he was a frat boy legacy hire. And, that’s why he got a job over Frank Reich. Makes you wonder how Reich would’ve looked with what Beane has given and gotten for McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Jesus…. ALWAYS THE SAME WORDS !!! Please Sean, we beg you, give us something different after a L. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Italian Bills said: Jesus…. ALWAYS THE SAME WORDS !!! Please Sean, we beg you, give us something different after a L. He could at least try saying it in Italian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: Jesus…. ALWAYS THE SAME WORDS !!! Please Sean, we beg you, give us something different after a L. Josh says the same thing too. Like he's on auto pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: Jesus…. ALWAYS THE SAME WORDS !!! Please Sean, we beg you, give us something different after a L. He learned this from Andy Reid. Reid has said THE SAME thing after every loss for 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: He could at least try saying it in Italian. 😂 14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Josh says the same thing too. Like he's on auto pilot. Crazy… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 8 hours ago, BeastMaster said: I called for McDermott to go after the 13 second debacle I have reiterated this every season since because he doesn't have it Come to terms with being a pretender as long as this staff is running things Josh has an awful game while the rest of the team plays just fine and you find a way to blame the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 ‘13 Seconds’ was the ONLY test I needed to see! The most incompetent HC performance in NFL history, at the most critical moment! McClapper can never come back from that grotesque FUBAR! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 My wife said something last night that really made sense to me. A simple statement made by a casual observer. "The don't look like they have fun like they used to." That got me thinking. Back in the season we made the AFCCG, they had fun. Goofed around on the sidelines. Had personality and played without pressure of expectations. Since then, it's been more business like. They feel the pressure and it's gotten to them. Play tighter and when things start to go downhill in a game they often collapse and make mistakes. The 2 games now we have lost to the Jets with Wilson at QB, I see the same attitude of those earlier Bills teams. Playing with house money. Playing for each other with emotion and feeling the moment. I just don't think this staff has done a great job getting the players focused when being the hunted over the hunters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 42 minutes ago, Freak-O said: Josh has an awful game while the rest of the team plays just fine and you find a way to blame the head coach. 38 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: ‘13 Seconds’ was the ONLY test I needed to see! The most incompetent HC performance in NFL history, at the most critical moment! McClapper can never come back from that grotesque FUBAR! Josh got worse after having to play for McClappy with the UCL sprain which went into a tear. ‘Tre White was on a path to be a legend. You know before the whole sprain becoming a ACL tear. He’s ruined players as a one more throw and one more play Coach. Now, it’s all coming into full view. Don’t think anyone can save him from himself at this point. I think college programs are going to go through motions with him. As they contemplate his manically questionable mental health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, peterpan said: Allen is obviously regressing BAD. It was evident last year with Daboll gone. allen obviously needs better coaching, and I believe that can only happen with an offense head coach who will be here for a long time. I still cannot fathom this point…seems like a knee jerk reaction after a bad game. There were plenty of games with Daboll here where the offense was useless and now that he’s gone people are misremembering imo. This board was constantly criticizing Dabolls playcalling and mostly happy when he left. the offense was statistically great last year despite having two horrendous offensive linemen and a qb with a bum elbow for half the season…it has nothing to do with Daboll leaving teams like the jets and prime tj watt Steelers have always given josh problems Edited September 12, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Look, The Bills struggle with the Jets. NYs defense will make a lot of teams appear disorganized. The Bills simply need to solve the NY Jets. This was the main reason I pushed for Derrick Henry during the off season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 9 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I haven't been one of those fans calling for McDermott's head but wow tonight was BAD...if the season plays out with more losses like this I seriously wonder if his hot seat could be warming up. The team looked like they just flat out quit in the 2nd half tonight I’d honestly prefer to can Dorsey before McD. The lack of offensive production since midway last season has been alarming with the talent we have. although firing an OC mid season is usually a desperation move that leads to the HC being fired if it doesn’t work out. Doubt McD fires Dorsey cause he knows it could be the end of him too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I still cannot fathom this point…seems like a knee jerk reaction after a bad game. There were plenty of games with Daboll here where the offense was useless and now that he’s gone people are misremembering imo. This board was constantly criticizing Dabolls playcalling and mostly happy when he left. the offense was statistically great last year despite having two horrendous offensive linemen and a qb with a bum elbow for half the season…it has nothing to do with Daboll leaving teams like the jets and prime tj watt Steelers have always given josh problems Not a knee jerk reaction. Some here were calling for Dorsey to be canned after last season. I agree on the daboll point. I personally think he’s overrated and an above average OC but nothing special. I know they don’t grow on trees, but we need someone from the shanahan scheme that can scheme this offensive to success and not rely on josh to make amazing plays all the time. Josh trying to be elite and make splash plays constantly is an indictment of Dorsey’s scheme. Josh doesn’t believe in it and thinks he has to take things into his own hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The offensive production is because of Allen… not the “talent” around him… but when his head is in scrambled egg mode you get what you saw last night. Seems to me that when things aren’t going his way he tries to do even more himself to get a shot at redemption and sometimes it snowballs like last night. 3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Not a knee jerk reaction. Some here were calling for Dorsey to be canned after last season. I agree on the daboll point. I personally think he’s overrated and an above average OC but nothing special. I know they don’t grow on trees, but we need someone from the shanahan scheme that can scheme this offensive to success and not rely on josh to make amazing plays all the time. Josh trying to be elite and make splash plays constantly is an indictment of Dorsey’s scheme. Josh doesn’t believe in it and thinks he has to take things into his own hands. Well yea if you agree with the Daboll point I take no issue 😂. Dorsey isn’t noticeably worse than Daboll is all I was saying…doesn’t bother me where people want to rank both those guys daboll just surprised first year as a head coach so people are elevating what he did with the bills. I think it’s likely gonna come crashing back to earth this year though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 We will not win a Super Bowl with McD at the helm. That said, Josh needs to cure his rectocephaly, and fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Okay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 glad ya'll finally coming to the light. rejoice in my words! let us cherish this bond! 1 hour ago, VaMilBill said: I’d honestly prefer to can Dorsey before McD. The lack of offensive production since midway last season has been alarming with the talent we have. although firing an OC mid season is usually a desperation move that leads to the HC being fired if it doesn’t work out. Doubt McD fires Dorsey cause he knows it could be the end of him too mcdermott messed up big time making himself DC. putting an unpolished young OC in the position he is in with Brady who is not the right man to be the QB Coach was and is risky. if there is a problem he cannot take focus off of his responsibilities at defense to focus on offense, and he cannot can his OC at this point because that's a big mistake. mcdermott made this mess putting dorsey as OC without giving him enough support, then exacerbated the issue making himself DC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, McBean said: No!!! You don’t say !!!!?????? Whats up everybody how WE doing?? ***** and increasingly *****. Like the weather very soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I've been suspended for calling out the coaching staff (crusading against coaches) any fan with a smidge of football intelligence can see McDermott is our downfall at this point.....sure McDermott was needed in 2017 and 2018 but he has taken this team as far as it can go with his coaching style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: McD ruined Allens' career by drafting defense and none with WR and O-line. Kicking field goals, punting, 13 effing seconds..etc. Never liked McDermott. Don't like how he operates. He's not accountable to fans. 13 seconds he refused to point the finger and everybody knows it was the DC but McDermott would not even state the obvious. Feelings... nothing more than feelings... he's not tough enough. He's only good enough to take you to the well but you can never drink. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Allen is 0-5 in overtimes now. I remember a long streak where McD had not won a game with a point spread less than 10. He definitely seems to choke in tight games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 It'll all come crashing down because Beane knows both schemes suck, and drafted to try and force scheme changes that mcd won't make. So we're back to Josh trying to put square pegs in round holes on O. And it's left us with the worst version of this outdated D we will see, smaller, older, slower 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: That offense isnt ever going to work. Breece Hall they passed on. That's the difference. Pro offense or run and shoot. Who did they pass on him for...oh yeah, healthy scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Imagine if Beane fired McDermott after he helped Beane get the job. and neither of them are going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Imagine if Beane fired McDermott after he helped Beane get the job. and neither of them are going anywhere. McDermott already fired Whaley after he got him the job. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 They were both extended this offseason through 2027. I'm not sure why people think we would be getting rid of either of them after this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, Simon said: McDermott already fired Whaley after he got him the job. They weren’t BFFs though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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