BuffaloBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I just hope he is right that Dorsey will improve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: I just hope he is right that Dorsey will improve. You know what coach I felt struggled last year and it wasn’t Dorsey? Aaron Kromer. Dorsey was fine. I like to think I understand offense and schemes and I just didn’t see anything to complain about other than the routes Davis and McKenzie were running. I mentioned this many times throughout the season. I tend to believe these 2 players can’t run a full route tree. But that’s what I’ve seen out of them since being Buffalo Bills. Davis says he can do it all, well let’s see it. McKenzie should be running crossers all day long, that’s what he’s good at. Teams took that away. Not much else he can do. I would’ve liked to see Diggs in the slot more last year. Hopefully Kincaid is a quick learner. Edited May 16, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Meh. It wasn't Isaiah who made himself a starter. Beane was the guy who decided to rely on what they had in the slot last year. You can't trust him on specials and he can't play outside and he's not a great fill-in in the slot if you have an injury and we had Shakir and there's no gadget role in this offense. The team should have been better-stocked at perimeter wideout and McKenzie shoulda been cutso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I like McKenzie, just never trusted him to be consistent. When he was back receiving on ST, I was nervous. When a ball was in the air going his way, I was nervous. Even though he definitely had moments where he shined, I more vividly remember inexplicable drops. I do agree with him that Dorsey probably never gave him the opportunity to be the next Beasley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I like McKenzie, just never trusted him to be consistent. When he was back receiving on ST, I was nervous. When a ball was in the air going his way, I was nervous. Even though he definitely had moments where he shined, I more vividly remember inexplicable drops. I do agree with him that Dorsey probably never gave him the opportunity to be the next Beasley With your raving review I’m surprised Dorsey didn’t design more of the offense around him. 😄 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: You can't trust him on specials and he can't play outside and he's not a great fill-in in the slot if you have an injury and we had Shakir and there's no gadget role in this offense. The team should have been better-stocked at perimeter wideout and McKenzie shoulda been cutso. Shakir was not ready the play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: They did find him funny but at the same time they knew he was a liability on the field. Everybody with any clue knew that. Just too many mistakes. When you are torn between wanting a teammate around personally and knowing he is costing you on the scoreboard........and unapologetically at that..........those are unnecessary loose threads to have when you want your team to be focused on being great on the field. It's why the Belichick/Parcells were so adamant against having players like that around. There is a negative synergy created by accepting that in your locker room. It's OK to be goofy off the field........JA17 is great and he's like that............but that guy can't both suck and not even be accountable about it either. and you start point fingers at teammates, or adverse conditions that everyone’s working through and as a teammate I might still chuckle at any individual joke but still think you are an immature clown that needs to handle his business better. id bet it’s real mixed bag on guys real opinions of him 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Best thread title of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Title sounds like a cool new rapper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: With your raving review I’m surprised Dorsey didn’t design more of the offense around him. 😄 True! 🤣 Tbf, as I've gotten older, I'm getting more & more nervous during every game. Probably because unlike in the past, I know the Bills have a legit chance to contend for a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Meh. It wasn't Isaiah who made himself a starter. Beane was the guy who decided to rely on what they had in the slot last year. Yes McBeane are obviously to blame for keeping a guy like that on the roster. That's the way it works, we criticize the player for not being good but what we are really doing is criticizing management for having them on the team. It's not personal. I think you understand that but seem to be conflicted because you think you like him personally for some reason. He landed where he belongs in Indy........with a team that's not serious about winning right now with a young Josh Allen type QB who could use his gadgetry. That's why he ended up in Buffalo when he did. Buffalo, at the time, could afford to absorb an all-time-worst kinda' special teams mistake maker because they had zero juice in their WR corps at all. They were terrible. At some point when you get serious about winning though, you gotta' move on from guys like that. You went out of your way to note that keeping a team laughing all season is important but that can also be a guy who is accountable to his organization. Humor is not hard to find in a locker room full of 20 something dude's.......what's really important is getting players to suspend disbelief for 6 months and buy into the process. No-account persons like McKenzie are an enemy of that mindset. It's not like he's a QB/team leader and being the teams Jay Cutler with that weirdness but the loose ends he creates still matter when the goal is to be great. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes McBeane are obviously to blame for keeping a guy like that on the roster. That's the way it works, we criticize the player for not being good but what we are really doing is criticizing management for having them on the team. It's not personal. I think you understand that but seem to be conflicted because you think you like him personally for some reason. He landed where he belongs in Indy........with a team that's not serious about winning right now with a young Josh Allen type QB who could use his gadgetry. That's why he ended up in Buffalo when he did. Buffalo, at the time, could afford to absorb an all-time-worst kinda' special teams mistake maker because they had zero juice in their WR corps at all. They were terrible. At some point when you get serious about winning though, you gotta' move on from guys like that. You went out of your way to note that keeping a team laughing all season is important but that can also be a guy who is accountable to his organization. Humor is not hard to find in a locker room full of 20 something dude's.......what's really important is getting players to suspend disbelief for 6 months and buy into the process. No-account persons like McKenzie are an enemy of that mindset. It's not like he's a QB/team leader and being the teams Jay Cutler with that weirdness but the loose ends he creates still matter when the goal is to be great. I do like Isaiah, but I also just know from my own experience in sport that you need funny, energy dudes around. He is what he is as a player, but you still need guys like him around the locker room. I am not lamenting the decision to move on. Far from it. But I don't think keeping Isaiah last year was a mistake so much as only having Crowder (who let's not forget he had actually beat out even before he predictably got hurt) and a 5th round rookie as legit alternatives in the slot was the mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, SectionC3 said: I heard he was one of the guys who lost his “s” on the D on the plane after 13 seconds. I don’t know what you heard about that flight, but I heard it was nuts. ???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Slowest back in NFL modern history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNutHawaii Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 In my opinion, when Brian Daboll moved on, that's when Isaiah Mckenzie lost his impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Shakir was not ready the play. Exactly. He had some good moments in the preseason which I think elevated everyone's expectations of him and that was unfair. He was a 5th round pick. However, just for fun, Gunner...had Shakir been a part of this last draft class where would you have had him ranked in the WR class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Exactly. He had some good moments in the preseason which I think elevated everyone's expectations of him and that was unfair. He was a 5th round pick. However, just for fun, Gunner...had Shakir been a part of this last draft class where would you have had him ranked in the WR class? He was WR17 for me in 2022. He'd have been WR12 for me in 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: He was WR17 for me in 2022. He'd have been WR12 for me in 2023. Seems about fair. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: I like McKenzie, just never trusted him to be consistent. When he was back receiving on ST, I was nervous. When a ball was in the air going his way, I was nervous. Even though he definitely had moments where he shined, I more vividly remember inexplicable drops. I do agree with him that Dorsey probably never gave him the opportunity to be the next Beasley Dorsey never gave him the opportunity? Say what? McKenzie got a ton of action early..........he just made a ton of mistakes with the opportunity. Starting with bobbling a perfectly thrown pass into an interception in the opener. I don't know if people just have poor memories or what but they fed him like there was no tomorrow early in the season and he rewarded them with drops and boneheadery. Dumb fuk ran out the clock in Miami and almost gave poor Dorsey a coronary. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dorsey never gave him the opportunity? Say what? McKenzie got a ton of action early..........he just made a ton of mistakes with the opportunity. Starting with bobbling a perfectly thrown pass into an interception in the opener. I don't know if people just have poor memories or what but they fed him like there was no tomorrow early in the season and he rewarded them with drops and boneheadery. Dumb fuk ran out the clock in Miami and almost gave poor Dorsey a coronary. this McKenzie is not the type of player a team w Super Bowl aspirations can afford to have playing meaningful snaps 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes McBeane are obviously to blame for keeping a guy like that on the roster. That's the way it works, we criticize the player for not being good but what we are really doing is criticizing management for having them on the team. It's not personal. I think you understand that but seem to be conflicted because you think you like him personally for some reason. He landed where he belongs in Indy........with a team that's not serious about winning right now with a young Josh Allen type QB who could use his gadgetry. That's why he ended up in Buffalo when he did. Buffalo, at the time, could afford to absorb an all-time-worst kinda' special teams mistake maker because they had zero juice in their WR corps at all. They were terrible. At some point when you get serious about winning though, you gotta' move on from guys like that. You went out of your way to note that keeping a team laughing all season is important but that can also be a guy who is accountable to his organization. Humor is not hard to find in a locker room full of 20 something dude's.......what's really important is getting players to suspend disbelief for 6 months and buy into the process. No-account persons like McKenzie are an enemy of that mindset. It's not like he's a QB/team leader and being the teams Jay Cutler with that weirdness but the loose ends he creates still matter when the goal is to be great. Funny enough his all time worst ST play happened against his new employer - kinda shocking that they’re the ones who signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dorsey never gave him the opportunity? Say what? McKenzie got a ton of action early..........he just made a ton of mistakes with the opportunity. Starting with bobbling a perfectly thrown pass into an interception in the opener. I don't know if people just have poor memories or what but they fed him like there was no tomorrow early in the season and he rewarded them with drops and boneheadery. Dumb fuk ran out the clock in Miami and almost gave poor Dorsey a coronary. Wait… I thought that was McKittrick? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Funny enough his all time worst ST play happened against his new employer - kinda shocking that they’re the ones who signed him. Yeah and wasn't Trent Sherfield the one who got the punt kicked up his ass in the playoff game? Funny how sometimes those players end up on the teams they committed/suffered their most embarrassing gaffes against. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Title sounds like a cool new rapper Would be funny to see Uncle Phil throw him out. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dorsey never gave him the opportunity? Say what? McKenzie got a ton of action early..........he just made a ton of mistakes with the opportunity. Starting with bobbling a perfectly thrown pass into an interception in the opener. I don't know if people just have poor memories or what but they fed him like there was no tomorrow early in the season and he rewarded them with drops and boneheadery. Dumb fuk ran out the clock in Miami and almost gave poor Dorsey a coronary. The upside is that maybe all that usage goes straight to Kincaid. I don't have oodles of faith in Dorsey but hey fingers crossed that they feed Kincaid volume early in the season and often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Shakir was not ready. There are some slow playing rookies I will criticise the staff for. Shakir visibly struggled on tape the first half of last year. He improved down the stretch and I take the point he might have improved more quickly if he was getting more than a 3rd of the offensive snaps, but he was still clearly the inferior player at that point and for a team in a SB window I think they were right to make him earn extra time. You're probably correct as it would've been risky with the stakes for this team so high every season. I guess it's easy to second guess the coaches not being there every day at practice. Shakir did play well when he was the primary slot receiver in the two and a half games McKenzie was injured though. I would've liked a parallel universe where they benched McKenzie after the Ravens game and gave Shakir that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 22 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Ditto. Good riddance, lil dummy Why are you bozos clowning on this guy? he was never anything but loyal and hardworking for the Bills. Never a bad image guy. No bad press. Not a criminal. Didn’t have anything bad to say on his way out of town. Why is it so hard to say thanks for your hard work and good luck in Indy? Call me crazy, but I’m thinking that McKittrick was a better ball player than Chandler#81 was. 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Why are you bozos clowning on this guy? he was never anything but loyal and hardworking for the Bills. Never a bad image guy. No bad press. Not a criminal. Didn’t have anything bad to say on his way out of town. Why is it so hard to say thanks for your hard work and good luck in Indy? Call me crazy, but I’m thinking that McKittrick was a better ball player than Chandler#81 was. You are indeed Crazy, bozo! Chandler caught damn near everything thrown in his vicinity and led the League in receptions one year. Lil Dummy can’t catch a cold. Know what you’re talking about before placing fingertips on the keyboard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in Pasadena Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Title sounds like a cool new rapper Maybe him & Bease can form a rap duo & use "L'il Dirty Dishes" as their group name when they drop their first album "Straight Outta the NFL" 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dumb fuk ran out the clock in Miami and almost gave poor Dorsey a coronary. Years from now, when Isaiah is the venerable grand-pappy presiding over his family cookout, and his grandkids are messing around on their iPhone47s, he can tell 'em: "Hey, you know the Dorsey losing his sh*t meme? Yeah, I did that!!" Edited May 17, 2023 by Jon in Pasadena 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Why are you bozos clowning on this guy? he was never anything but loyal and hardworking for the Bills. Never a bad image guy. No bad press. Not a criminal. Didn’t have anything bad to say on his way out of town. Why is it so hard to say thanks for your hard work and good luck in Indy? Call me crazy, but I’m thinking that McKittrick was a better ball player than Chandler#81 was. Someone did say he was the last guy on the team that they would want their sister to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/15/2023 at 11:30 PM, pigpen65 said: I mean, no ***** about the weather. Everybody knows bad weather affects the passing game. You would have to be an idiot to not know that bad weather affects the passing game. Ken Dorsey doesn't know that bad weather affects the passing game. I honestly think Bills' players woke up on that playoff Sunday and said !@#$%^&*! weather. I know I did!! The Bills are not built for bad weather . . which is why many wanted a dome stadium . . which is why this year's schedule is intriguing (only 2 of last 6 games are at home). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Apparently Isaiah's comments on Tyler Dunne's podcast didn't only opine on the outcome had the game been played in a domed stadium... he used that subject to suggest that the Bills coaching staff was out-coached by the Bengals staff. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/20/jamarr-chase-responds-to-claim-bengals-bills-playoff-game-would-have-been-different-in-a-dome/ “The Bengals ran basic routes, maybe we should’ve did that, ran basic routes,” McKenzie said, via SI.com. “Like out routes, go balls, you know, instead of running routes that you have to be going lateral or coming back to the football, or turning and running curls and things like that. If we were in a dome it would have been a totally different game.” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 5/16/2023 at 10:18 AM, SectionC3 said: I don’t know what you heard about that flight, but I heard it was nuts. Say MORE...(DM if necessary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the bad weather romanticism that this fan base has needs to go. The Bills are a dome team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 On 5/17/2023 at 12:45 AM, pennstate10 said: Why are you bozos clowning on this guy? he was never anything but loyal and hardworking for the Bills. Never a bad image guy. No bad press. Not a criminal. Didn’t have anything bad to say on his way out of town. Why is it so hard to say thanks for your hard work and good luck in Indy? Call me crazy, but I’m thinking that McKittrick was a better ball player than Chandler#81 was. Better than Bob Chandler? Lil Dirty probably dropped more balls per game then Bob dropped in his career On 5/17/2023 at 12:45 AM, pennstate10 said: Why are you bozos clowning on this guy? he was never anything but loyal and hardworking for the Bills. Never a bad image guy. No bad press. Not a criminal. Didn’t have anything bad to say on his way out of town. Why is it so hard to say thanks for your hard work and good luck in Indy? Call me crazy, but I’m thinking that McKittrick was a better ball player than Chandler#81 was. Do you feel Espeneza is better than Bruce? Matakevich better than 89? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKemp Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 This Dorsey tantrum is why McKensie was no longer used on those short routes and was more of a decoy the rest of the season. https://youtu.be/XP8OBkbXud0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 57 minutes ago, JackKemp said: This Dorsey tantrum is why McKensie was no longer used on those short routes and was more of a decoy the rest of the season. https://youtu.be/XP8OBkbXud0 It's more on Dorsey than on McKenzie, if he refused to use McKenzie on those routes due to one play at the beginning of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Enjoy the Dome in Indy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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