Rd 7, Pick 230: G Nick Broeker, Mississippi

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

I think there's room for 10 OL on the 53.  6 WR (Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Harty, and Shorter), 3 TE (Knox, Kincaid, Morris), 4 RB (Cook, Hines, Harris, ??), and 2 QB (Allen x 2).  Doyle is coming off an ACL tear.  He may not be ready to go at start of season.  If Broeker shows enough in training camp, I believe there's a path for him to make 53. Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown, Quessenberry, Bates, Edwards, Boettger, and Broeker/Doyle.

 

Agree.   But those are the numbers now.   There may be injuries or Edwards or Boettger might not bounce back from past injuries........a lot can change.   I think they still need a swing tackle to add to that mix.   There aren't any LT options in that group unless one considers Bates or Brown that guy.  Quessenberry was the worst pass blocking RT in NFL his last year in TN so don't want him starting games at LT under any circumstance.  Richard Gouraige may even have a realistic shot to make the roster.

[Warcodered]

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You’re entitled to your opinion

I think either Bogner where Doyle or both get traded for draft picks

 

The general manager is on a mission to get as many draft picks in next year’s draft as possible. We are up to 10 right now.

Is Doyle even going to be off the PUP list by the time we cut down?

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Is Doyle even going to be off the PUP list by the time we cut down?

I don't know, but @MAJBobby believes he may end up being a genuine alternative to Brown. I hope that is true, because I'm not really a fan of UPS.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You’re entitled to your opinion

I think either Bogner where Doyle or both get traded for draft picks

 

The general manager is on a mission to get as many draft picks in next year’s draft as possible. We are up to 10 right now.

Yes but 6 of them are day three. Most won't make the team. No way he drafts 10 guys.

Knowing Beane's history he will probably use one of the threes or the fourth rounder to move up in the 1st or second round. 

Ideally he packages a couple of those day three picks for higher rounds in 2025.

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Agree.   But those are the numbers now.   There may be injuries or Edwards or Boettger might not bounce back from past injuries........a lot can change.   I think they still need a swing tackle to add to that mix.   There aren't any LT options in that group unless one considers Bates or Brown that guy.  Quessenberry was the worst pass blocking RT in NFL his last year in TN so don't want him starting games at LT under any circumstance.  Richard Gouraige may even have a realistic shot to make the roster.

If Torrence starts Bates is your swing OT and backup C as well. 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said:

I think there's room for 10 OL on the 53.  6 WR (Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Sherfield, Harty, and Shorter), 3 TE (Knox, Kincaid, Morris), 4 RB (Cook, Hines, Harris, ??), and 2 QB (Allen x 2).  Doyle is coming off an ACL tear.  He may not be ready to go at start of season.  If Broeker shows enough in training camp, I believe there's a path for him to make 53. Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown, Quessenberry, Bates, Edwards, Boettger, and Broeker/Doyle.

I think if he can show skills to be depth he makes the team. There will be tradable assets on this OL before just flat out cuts IMO. And he showing he can offer let’s say what Quessenberry does at depth you can get picks for Quessenberry and that contract. I fully expect pieces on the OL to be dealt for picks not outright cut 

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

You’re entitled to your opinion

I think either Bogner where Doyle or both get traded for draft picks

 

The general manager is on a mission to get as many draft picks in next year’s draft as possible. We are up to 10 right now.

I could see an OL guy get traded right before final cut downs.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

I don't know, but @MAJBobby believes he may end up being a genuine alternative to Brown. I hope that is true, because I'm not really a fan of UPS.

I do. He has the upside of a LT and has much better lateral movement than Brown. I think if given a legit shot at that position he could win it out of camp. 

5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

I could see an OL guy get traded right before final cut downs.

There will be a lot of tradable assets on this OL as opposed to an out right cut. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Let this guy and the UDFA from Florida Gouriage who played LT compete with Spencer Brown for the job

[TBBills Fan]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

A lot of guards on the team now. It makes me wonder if Morse could be a surprise cut or trade to free up some cap space? Bates could slide in at center without too much drop off. Just a thought.

Medical issues.  This is possible they know Morse may be done, or 1 injury away from done.... concussions are serious. 

[TheWeatherMan]

20 hours ago, SCBills said:

I don’t want to let go of Morse either, but the OL was bad when he was out, partly due to lack of talent around him.  
 

The OL looks much improved as we sit here today, not even accounting for a jump the staff is clearly banking on from Spencer Brown. 

My guess is this is Morse’s last year.  $3M dead cap but save $8M in 2023-2024.  Minimal savings for this season.  

[Boatdrinks]

52 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

My guess is this is Morse’s last year.  $3M dead cap but save $8M in 2023-2024.  Minimal savings for this season.  

Yep. He’s been very solid for the Bills, but is one concussion away from an extended absence or even retirement. Time to get a strong replacement candidate ready to go. 

[Warriorspikes51]

14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Yep. He’s been very solid for the Bills, but is one concussion away from an extended absence or even retirement. Time to get a strong replacement candidate ready to go. 

Bates should be moved there. We have good depth at Guard now

[In Summary]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The general manager is on a mission to get as many draft picks in next year’s draft as possible. We are up to 10 right now.

A REAL GM would have 11 picks going into the 2024 draft. <sarc>

[Warriorspikes51]

41 minutes ago, In Summary said:

A REAL GM would have 11 picks going into the 2024 draft. <sarc>

I’d bet 1 depth OL and 1 of Epenesa or Basham gets traded for more picks. Maybe Joe Schoen would give us a 5th for someone

[Dr. Who]

24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’d bet 1 depth OL and 1 of Epenesa or Basham gets traded for more picks. Maybe Joe Schoen would give us a 5th for someone

Another aspect of evaluating the recently concluded draft is that Beane probably will have a tradeable asset or two out of the IOL depth that has been added over the offseason that could further add to the cache of future draft picks. All those folks so terribly angered by trading a late fourth might temper their chagrin by contemplating the surfeit of riches in the future; but we know they won't.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, In Summary said:

A REAL GM would have 11 picks going into the 2024 draft. <sarc>

I fully expect him to have 11 he’s gonna trade somebody he always does

[MrEpsYtown]

 

Some good stuff in here, a bunch of pancakes including destroying Drew Sanders when he was on Bama and handling Will Anderson at LT. 
 

 

[Rumblinstumblin]

This guy seems solid 

[Big Blitz]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Bates should be moved there. We have good depth at Guard now

 

Agreed - start grooming him to take over at Center.  He’s still only 26.  If this is Morse last season at least we know we have a guy we can immediately plug in with confidence.   

And fwiw I have no reason to suspect this would be his last season.  He has just turned 31 and is still a very good top 10 Center in the league.  Can see him playing 2-3 more seasons.  

[newcam2012]

12 hours ago, DCbillsfan said:

I could see an OL guy get traded right before final cut downs.

You can never have enough oline guys. 

[Jauronimo]

On 4/29/2023 at 5:02 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Anderson and Tenuta the last two late round OL did not make the roster. 

This guy will have an uphill battle to make it too

All 7th rounders have long odds to make a roster

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

All 7th rounders have long odds to make a roster

 

They are indeed facing an uphill battle. I have to wonder how many would rather have been undrafted so they could pick a place where they have a better shot of being developed and making a roster. Making the top rosters is tough, and you have to hope you get enough preseason game film to be attractive elsewhere. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

They are indeed facing an uphill battle. I have to wonder how many would rather have been undrafted so they could pick a place where they have a better shot of being developed and making a roster. Making the top rosters is tough, and you have to hope you get enough preseason game film to be attractive elsewhere. 

UDFA has the advantages you indicate. However, in this particular case, I think Broeker has a pretty good chance to stick.

And also, in general, still think most players want to be drafted, even if it's late seventh. Most of these guys are going to be longshots to make a squad anyway. It's got to be something to be able to go through the rest of your life telling folks legit that you were drafted by an NFL team.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

UDFA has the advantages you indicate. However, in this particular case, I think Broeker has a pretty good chance to stick.

And also, in general, still think most players want to be drafted, even if it's late seventh. Most of these guys are going to be longshots to make a squad anyway. It's got to be something to be able to go through the rest of your life telling folks legit that you were drafted by an NFL team.

 

I agree he landed in a good spot, and nobody wants to be “overlooked”. While I’d rather be drafted, if you can land with a team with a weak position group your odds improve. In this case, he landed on a good team, and we have a need in his strike zone. Win/win. 🤞 

[Coach Tuesday]

This kid may actually make it.  He can play.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This kid may actually make it.  He can play.

toss him and UDFA Gouraige at RT to push Brown

[No_Matter_What]

34 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This kid may actually make it.  He can play.

 

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

UDFA has the advantages you indicate. However, in this particular case, I think Broeker has a pretty good chance to stick.

And also, in general, still think most players want to be drafted, even if it's late seventh. Most of these guys are going to be longshots to make a squad anyway. It's got to be something to be able to go through the rest of your life telling folks legit that you were drafted by an NFL team.

I'd love him to make a roster, but who do you think he can replace?

 

There are 5 interior guys ahead of him - Morse, Torrence, Bates, McGovern and Edwards. I can see him fighting for spot with the last one, but he has $1.7M fully guaranteed contract. I know Beane can do what he did last summer with Howard, but it is still an uphill battle for Broeker. And that doesn't even count with Boettger.

 

Or do you guys think he can fight with Doyle or Quess for OT spot?

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

I'd love him to make a roster, but who do you think he can replace?

 

There are 5 interior guys ahead of him - Morse, Torrence, Bates, McGovern and Edwards. I can see him fighting for spot with the last one, but he has $1.7M fully guaranteed contract. I know Beane can do what he did last summer with Howard, but it is still an uphill battle for Broeker. And that doesn't even count with Boettger.

 

Or do you guys think he can fight with Doyle or Quess for OT spot?

Oline is always a sought after commodity. There aren't enough of them to go around. If he makes the roster, any number of those players would have trade value, so it's not a situation where you are cutting someone to make room.

[BigAl2526]

On 4/29/2023 at 6:02 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Anderson and Tenuta the last two late round OL did not make the roster. 

This guy will have an uphill battle to make it too

Anderson is still under contract to the Bills.  Sometimes these fringe guys hang around for a few years.  If they develop, then they may contribute in the future, if not, they eventually get replaced by other fringe guys who might develop.  I think it's an aspect of roster management that every GM has to work on.  Most guys on the fringe never develop, but if you don't work at finding these guys, you never have a chances of hitting on a guy that can help your team.  The Bills have gotten a decent return out of Ryan Bates, who started out as a fringe player.  Levi Wallace was another one.  The odds are low that this kind of player will ever be a core player on the team, but they do make important contributions.

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

All 7th rounders have long odds to make a roster

This is just my opinion
 

I feel like this seventh rounder is way better than tenuta and Anderson and I likedJack Anderson

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Anderson is still under contract to the Bills.  Sometimes these fringe guys hang around for a few years.  If they develop, then they may contribute in the future, if not, they eventually get replaced by other fringe guys who might develop.  I think it's an aspect of roster management that every GM has to work on.  Most guys on the fringe never develop, but if you don't work at finding these guys, you never have a chances of hitting on a guy that can help your team.  The Bills have gotten a decent return out of Ryan Bates, who started out as a fringe player.  Levi Wallace was another one.  The odds are low that this kind of player will ever be a core player on the team, but they do make important contributions.

Agreed. The best aspect of ‘hanger on’ fringe players is that the many reps in the system for a few years provides sound continuity when they are called on to enter a game. They’re not just up on that weeks’ opponent, Allen can call a rare play -perhaps from a season ago, from the depths of the playbook for a particular situation and they know the play and what to do. That’s value.

[MrEpsYtown]

7 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Anderson is still under contract to the Bills.  Sometimes these fringe guys hang around for a few years.  If they develop, then they may contribute in the future, if not, they eventually get replaced by other fringe guys who might develop.  I think it's an aspect of roster management that every GM has to work on.  Most guys on the fringe never develop, but if you don't work at finding these guys, you never have a chances of hitting on a guy that can help your team.  The Bills have gotten a decent return out of Ryan Bates, who started out as a fringe player.  Levi Wallace was another one.  The odds are low that this kind of player will ever be a core player on the team, but they do make important contributions.

Ethan is talking about Jack Anderson and Luke Tenuta, Jack was a 7th round pick 2 years ago and was on the Eagles and now the Giants. Tenuta was a 6th rounder last year and now with the Packers. Anderson made it to the practice squad and was poached while Tenuta never made it through cuts, claimed by the Colts then the Pack. Alec Anderson the UDFA from UCLA is still here. 
 

But your point is taken and it makes sense to grab these guys, hope to hold ok to them and to develop them. The Bills sound like they really believe in Broeker and if he makes the roster that will certainly mean he earned it. 

[Ralonzo]

From Brugler on the Athletic (if you don't get it, come on, be an Athletic Supporter)

 

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Nick Broeker, G, Ole Miss

A good value pick in the seventh round, Broeker is a strong, assignment-sound player. He might not have the explosiveness or knock-back power desired at the position, but when his technique and leverage remain on the same page, Broeker stays attached and loses slowly. He has experience outside at left tackle but projects as immediate depth at guard. He is a great fit for the Bills’ scheme.

[John from Riverside]

16 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This kid may actually make it.  He can play.

It looks to me like he can play too is body composition looks like it needs to be worked on, but I mean that’s what an NFL weight room is for

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

From Brugler on the Athletic (if you don't get it, come on, be an Athletic Supporter)

 

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Nick Broeker, G, Ole Miss

A good value pick in the seventh round, Broeker is a strong, assignment-sound player. He might not have the explosiveness or knock-back power desired at the position, but when his technique and leverage remain on the same page, Broeker stays attached and loses slowly. He has experience outside at left tackle but projects as immediate depth at guard. He is a great fit for the Bills’ scheme.

 

Yeah to me Broeker has a good chance to be an NFL starter at some point.  Maybe not for a long duration.......but I have to question if the people who say he won't ever start have seen the state of OL play in the NFL.   Really good value for a draft that, in general, was seen as shallow.  

 

Glad they didn't pass on a second guard just because they went with Torrence early.   CB and IOL were the deepest positions, IMO and if you do it right you get the value the draft offers.  Just wish they got one of the big traits CB's earlier.   There have been some good CB drafts recently but there is no guarantee that continues so make hay when the sun shines or risking reaching for need later.    Drafts rarely pan out like they look right after they happened, but the Williams pick in round 3 looks like the one spot where they should have gotten more value on paper.  But maybe he pans out great.  He has much better physical tools than Bernard.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Coach Tuesday]

19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Glad they didn't pass on a second guard just because they went with Torrence early.  

 

In Beane's post-draft session with Chris Brown, he seemed to admit that he was eying running backs with the late-round picks but then reached an oral agreement with Latavius Murray's agent and promised the agent he wouldn't draft a RB.  What I said in the Murray thread - the real value he brings is that signing him prevents Beane from wasting other/more resources on the position.  Seems like drafting Broecker and/or Austin was a direct result of Murray agreeing to terms... amazing.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

In Beane's post-draft session with Chris Brown, he seemed to admit that he was eying running backs with the late-round picks but then reached an oral agreement with Latavius Murray's agent and promised the agent he wouldn't draft a RB.  What I said in the Murray thread - the real value he brings is that signing him prevents Beane from wasting other/more resources on the position.  Seems like drafting Broecker and/or Austin was a direct result of Murray agreeing to terms... amazing.

I think that Latavius Murray would give you everything that a back like say, Roshon Johnson would give you except for youth and a long contract
 

I’m perfectly OK with that and I like the fact that the GM is bringing in big backs, that can run and punish defenses

[eball]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

Broeker stays attached and loses slowly

 

Perhaps the most backhanded compliment of a player I've ever read.  LOL

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

Perhaps the most backhanded compliment of a player I've ever read.  LOL

I saw that and laughed out loud.

[BillsVet]

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

In Beane's post-draft session with Chris Brown, he seemed to admit that he was eying running backs with the late-round picks but then reached an oral agreement with Latavius Murray's agent and promised the agent he wouldn't draft a RB.  What I said in the Murray thread - the real value he brings is that signing him prevents Beane from wasting other/more resources on the position.  Seems like drafting Broecker and/or Austin was a direct result of Murray agreeing to terms... amazing.

 

At a higher level, something is amiss at OBD in how they view building an offense.  From identification of their scheme, using UFA and the draft to acquire/fit personnel to it, then finally game-planning and in-game adjustments.  It shouldn't take having a hand-shake deal with a veteran RB to recognize value in a specific draft as they did with this pick of Broeker.  

 

It's been 6 complete off-season with this HC and GM to learn and grow in personnel decisions.  Some of it just ain't changing much...even with having a franchise QB.  I suspect they think the best way to help Josh is taking the ball out of his hands and having depth because the position gets banged up so much.  I still don't understand why.   

Edited May 2, 2023 by BillsVet