DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, khlax3 said:

I would do a second for Hopkins in a heartbeat. Take the TE  Washington in the first 

 

Allen

Diggs, Hopkins, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield

Knox and washington

cook, Harris, Hines 

 

that would likely be the best offense in the league

 

I may be tempted to go OL, even a 2nd round rated IOL in the 1st, and grab TE in the 3rd in this scenario, but what you described also sounds awesome/very difficult to defend.  

4 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Let’s look at WR drafted in the 2nd round the past few years… AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, Tee Higgins, DK Metcalf, George Pickens … I’m sure there are more.

 

Are we really going to pretend that the only way to get an all-pro WR is to trade away our draft picks to get one? Or is it that you guys are completely done with Beane and think he can’t find us a good WR?

 

This is insane.

 

i don't think there are any of those sorts of WRs available in the draft this year in the 2nd.  And no, I also don't trust Bean to find a good WR.  

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Purdy, Foles and Brady are qbs that over achieved.   I dont expect that from Barkley or K. Allen.  Do you?

 

 

 

foles had a stretch he could never repeat. Let’s see if purdy can continue. Brady was an anomaly. Again. How many teams have two franchise qbs. 

[The Wiz]

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

foles had a stretch he could never repeat. Let’s see if purdy can continue. Brady was an anomaly. Again. How many teams have two franchise qbs. 

Rodgers was also an anomaly too, right?

 

Regardless, that's not the point of the comment that I originally made.

 

We are one bad play away from being in another 17 year drought was all I was getting at.  Why not protect that for as long as you can?

Edited April 24, 2023 by The Wiz

[Rubes]

24 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

sorry you have to make things so personal. 

 

Oh, I see. So your original post was not personal in any way? Sure thing.

 

[PrimeTime101]

21 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

Oh, I see. So your original post was not personal in any way? Sure thing.

 

if you think me asking why we needed another thread on this topic with others agreeing with me personal then the only skin that is thin is yours. 

[Rubes]

18 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

if you think me asking why we needed another thread on this topic with others agreeing with me personal then the only skin that is thin is yours. 

 

Ah, the always impressive "I know you are but what am I" response. Savage!

 

Seriously, you're telling me you look at these two posts:

 

10 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

why in GODS NAME!!!! did we need another topic on this? 

210 pages+ is NOT enough for you to figure this out?

 

boards are going to hell in a hand basket. 

 

6 hours ago, Rubes said:

Wow, life must be pretty tough.

 

 

...and your conclusion is that the second is the totally rude and personal one while the first is just a totally innocent, objective statement of fact (nothing personal at all!). Sure. I mean, I guess if you're living on your own personal bizarro world?

 

As for "others agreeing with me" I guess I'd compare the handful of those who did with the now 320+ board members who voted in the poll and extended this thread to 9 pages. Apparently a lot more thought there was, in fact, room for another thread, your ALL CAPS bewilderment notwithstanding.

 

Again, as other have repeatedly pointed out, just ignore the thread if you don't like it. Nobody's forcing you to interact.

 

[PrimeTime101]

15 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

Ah, the always impressive "I know you are but what am I" response. Savage!

 

Seriously, you're telling me you look at these two posts:

 

 

 

...and your conclusion is that the second is the totally rude and personal one while the first is just a totally innocent, objective statement of fact (nothing personal at all!). Sure. I mean, I guess if you're living on your own personal bizarro world?

 

As for "others agreeing with me" I guess I'd compare the handful of those who did with the now 320+ board members who voted in the poll and extended this thread to 9 pages. Apparently a lot more thought there was, in fact, room for another thread, your ALL CAPS bewilderment notwithstanding.

 

Again, as other have repeatedly pointed out, just ignore the thread if you don't like it. Nobody's forcing you to interact.

 

Yes. When we have 200 page topic on one item and I ask "why in gods name do we need another topic on this" (and people agree)  and instead of replying why, you make it a personal comment against me..

 

Just friggen stop for Christ sakes. My question wondering why we need another topic lead you to say "Wow, life must be pretty tough"  Seriously think I won't defend myself?

 

Enough....  Get over it. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by PrimeTime101

[Rubes]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Yes. When we have 200 page topic on one item and I ask "why in gods name do we need another topic on this" (and people agree)  and instead of replying why, you make it a personal comment against me..

 

Just friggen stop for Christ sakes. My question wondering why we need another topic lead you to say "Wow, life must be pretty tough"  Seriously think I won't defend myself?

 

Enough....  Get over it. 

 

Hey, I wasn't the one triggered by a new topic on a message board. Would be good if you took your own advice.

 

[Ponch]

12 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Well…bring Hopkins on board and we will see how it plays out. 

I think you seriously misunderstand what Diggs cares about 

[Craig Oi]

Like a lot here, I said yes but they have to eat most of that contract. Only other way is if they take Oliver but then no way adding on a 2nd rounder.

[Thurman#1]

Not at his current salary. Just wouldn't work out for us.

 

A two is probably too much for me anyway, but without the Cards taking on a ton of his salary, no way.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Buffalo03]

8 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

'Cause I wanted to do a poll to see where people stand on the issue of a 2nd rounder for DHop. Sorry if that offends you, but I don't think burying a poll in the middle of a 216-page thread will really give us a sense of where most people stand.

 

If you'd prefer yet another thread on someone we should or should not draft, maybe I can better serve you next time.

 

I'm not offended. Why do people automatically assume " I offended you" when asked questions like this? My God

Edited April 24, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Simon Says]

12 hours ago, clearwater cadet said:

I would do it, I like Diggs, but I don't love him.  There just something about him I'm not comfortable with.   I think having  D hop still gives us some flexibility, if Diggs files off the handle a bit.  I would try to send a 3rd and a player or 2, but nor Rouso.   Maybe oliver, Aj, or Boogie.

Again I have to ask...how would the Bills PAY Hopkins?

Edited April 24, 2023 by Herb Nightly

[Niagara Dude]

20 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

I am sure they put their demands out,  for a receiver that will be 31 when the season arrives they will be lucky to get a 4th rounder. Hill was 27 when the Chiefs traded him.

[Yantha]

I voted yes but this question has two parts.

 

Can you find a DeAndre Hopkins - esque WR in round 2 of this draft?  Likely NO

 

Would the Bills be in cap hell trying to handle his contract?  Not sure??????

[davetra]

Yes.  Won"t we get another 3rd rounder for losing Edmunds? Almost a replacement pick for the second we would give up for a proven player. 

[Low Positive]

20 minutes ago, davetra said:

Yes.  Won"t we get another 3rd rounder for losing Edmunds? Almost a replacement pick for the second we would give up for a proven player. 

That 3rd is in the 2024 draft.

[gonzo1105]

I think the 27 for 34 and Hopkins makes sense from a value standpoint. The trade chart says Hopkins would be a 3rd rounder in that scenario which sounds about right 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, davetra said:

Yes.  Won"t we get another 3rd rounder for losing Edmunds? Almost a replacement pick for the second we would give up for a proven player. 

 

 

It's not a replacement pick. That's just a nice way of spinning things.

 

It's an entirely different pick. If we don't trade for DHop away, we would have TWO 3rd rounders. That's a LOT better than one.

 

This is simply a way to try to spin something people want. It's like people who win some money at the casino saying, "Hey, why not bet it, it's just house money." 

 

And it's not. That is a logical fallacy. Once you win it, it's not their money anymore. Assuming we will get a 3rd rounder for Edmunds, that's not a house pick. It's our pick. It's an asset that we can use to pick a player. If we trade it away, we won't have it anymore, we will have lost it, and it will not be replaced.

[Santana]

Honestly why tf not? It's without question worth it. The Bills are in win now mode and the 2nd round pick is pretty much a 3rd round pick anyway.

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Hey, I wasn't the one triggered by a new topic on a message board. Would be good if you took your own advice.

 

you don't no when to stop do you. 

[Rubes]

14 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

you don't no when to stop do you. 

Nope, I guess I don’t “no”!

[DCofNC]

Based on the history of returns for 2nd round picks, yep.  The biggest problem is the money.  If they will eat money or he will take less, it would be great to have him.  

[Mister Defense]

20 hours ago, khlax3 said:

honestly I’m not as down on the line as most are. I think we upgraded at guard over saffold. Morse and Dawkins are good. Bates is average but it was also his first year as a starter and I am expecting brown to be better actually having an offseason this year. Allen is part of the reason they don’t always look great as well. He holds the ball to make the big play too often rather than checking it down. If he checked down more the line would look better. 

 

I actually would be surprised if the bills draft a lineman in the first 3 rounds. Their starters are set (Beane isn’t benching brown this year). They already have young guys with upside in Doyle and Brown. Proven starter with edwards and Quesenberry as backups and a guy they obviously like in Boettger. 

 

Sounds like the same faulty Bills' philosophy when it comes to their O-Line--these guys have potential, so let's stick with them no matter how they actually play: see Bates and Brown..., 'and we have this nice depth too with these cast offs. We can coach them all up, make do; we have such a great QB and he will continue to mask this weakness with his big arm and running ability'.

 

But this has not played out well for the Bills, and clearly, dramatically, undervalues how vital a good/great offensive line is to a championship team.

 

Yes, part of the problem is the lack of short game in the offense, but I don't believe that is Allen's fault--he did just fine with that when he had Beasley, a high level slot receiver, and a coordinator knowing how important it was to use most of the field. 

 

But more often than not, it seemed Josh was not just under undue pressure while waiting for the big play down field to develop, but often immediately running for his life.  Yes, he made a lot of those plays, but if he is almost always in that position his teams will never be championship caliber. Never. A lesser QB with this line?  Could be one of the weakest NFL teams. 

 

Time to give Josh Allen and the Bills' offense the foundation in O-line talent that has been the most glaring weakness of the Beane era, which has been excellent overall.  Most rankings of  offensive line performance for the 2022 season has the Bills very low, such as 25th by pro football network and 28th by lineups.com.

 

The Bills cannot compete at the high level they have been working at the last 3-4 years unless this weakness is addressed in a real way, finally. 

 

I believe (or hope?) that will happen in this year's draft and continues into the off season.

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Mister Defense

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Sounds like the same faulty Bills' philosophy when it comes to their O-Line--these guys have potential, so let's stick with them no matter how they actually play: see Bates and Brown..., 'and we have this nice depth too with these cast offs. We can coach them all up, make do; we have such a great QB and he will continue to mask this weakness with his big arm and running ability'.

 

But this has not played out well for the Bills, and clearly, dramatically, undervalues how vital a good/great offensive line is to a championship team.

 

Yes, part of the problem is the lack of short game in the offense, but I don't believe that is Allen's fault--he did just fine with that when he had Beasley, a high level slot receiver, and a coordinator knowing how important it was to use most of the field. 

 

But more often than not, it seemed Josh was not just under undue pressure while waiting for the big play down field to develop, but often immediately running for his life.  Yes, he made a lot of those plays, but if he is almost always in that position his teams will never be championship caliber. Never. A lesser QB with this line?  Could be one of the weakest NFL teams. 

 

Time to give Josh Allen and the Bills' offense the foundation in O-line talent that has been the most glaring weakness of the Beane era, which has been excellent overall.  Most rankings of  offensive line performance for the 2022 season has the Bills very low, such as 25th by pro football network and 28th by lineups.com.

 

The Bills cannot compete at the high level they have been working at the last 3-4 years unless this weakness is addressed in a real way, finally. 

 

I believe (or hope?) that will happen in this year's draft and continues into the off season.

 

 

 

Completely agree, just ironic that it has to be Mister Defense to point this out.

Edited April 24, 2023 by Dr. Who

[Solomon Grundy]

Honestly, NO!! I know that the Cardinals HAVE to trade him. If there is a player there that I value, like one of the TEs, then I'm taking him. After that pick, I'm calling Arizona and asking them if they're ready to play ball

[TampaBillsJunkie]

If this happens, my guess is that it's after the first round. Beane will see how the board falls. If the stud OL/LB/TE that they are targeting drops then he takes that player and makes the trade for a second. If a stud WR drops, he may pick up the WR and pass on the deal or offer a 3rd, knowing there are not a lot of suitors.

[davetra]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not a replacement pick. That's just a nice way of spinning things.

 

It's an entirely different pick. If we don't trade for DHop away, we would have TWO 3rd rounders. That's a LOT better than one.

 

This is simply a way to try to spin something people want. It's like people who win some money at the casino saying, "Hey, why not bet it, it's just house money." 

 

And it's not. That is a logical fallacy. Once you win it, it's not their money anymore. Assuming we will get a 3rd rounder for Edmunds, that's not a house pick. It's our pick. It's an asset that we can use to pick a player. If we trade it away, we won't have it anymore, we will have lost it, and it will not be replaced.

I totally get that! That's why I used the word "Almost". lol   Does not matter anyway, I forgot that would be for next year.  I was just saying that If we got the pick this year, it would help ease the blow of losing a second.  we would get D Hop and still have 6 picks.  Not even by any means, but I like getting a proven player, knowing he might be what we need for THIS YEAR to get over the hump.  

3 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

That 3rd is in the 2024 draft.

  forgot that minor detail.  

[Rico]

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

 

Not sure if you know this or not but Watkins started a Flat Earther Cult.  They're going to travel until they reach the end of the Earth and then take a selfie to prove all of us wrong.

[TheBrownBear]

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

[bigduke6]

not giving up more than a 3rd rounder for DHop with that contract.   youre doing Zona a favor just taking his contract away from them,  let alone give them picks.

im betting nobody bites on trading for DHop and Zona just ends up releasing him.   contract is gone,  then teams with tight caps can have him at a discount.

[BigBadBills]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

Lol huh? Wrong side of 30? Dude is literally only 30 years old. How can he be on the wrong side?

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

No thanks.  Wrong side of 30.  Separation skills dwindling.  I'd rather take a shot on a receiver in the draft with a round 1-3 pick.

A great player? You're right, no thanks

[TheBrownBear]

19 hours ago, Augie said:

 

A Zaxby’s opened about a mile from us maybe 5 years ago. I eat out A LOT (like lunch daily) yet I’ve never been in any Zaxby’s, even the one right up the road. Anyone have opinions on Zaxby’s?  I guess I should try it.  🤷‍♂️

 

I’ve never even heard of Raising Cane’s, so I guess they are not around here. 

We don't have Zaxby's out here in California, but I've traveled in the South a handful of times the past few years and always find my way to a Zaxby's.  They make a good fried chicken sandwich and the french fries were good as well.  I don't eat much fast/junk food, but Zaxby's gets a thumbs up from me when I want to cheat.

[gflande1]

I voted no. I would like someone younger like Jerry Jeudy. I would still like to see one drafted as well. Jeudy plus Davis or draft pick as our future after Diggs moves on. 

[TheBrownBear]

6 minutes ago, BigBadBills said:

Lol huh? Wrong side of 30? Dude is literally only 30 years old. How can he be on the wrong side?

Sorry, I thought we were all familiar with the "wrong side" idiom.  It means you've officially reached that age (in Hopkins' case - 30 years of age).  When it comes to sports like football and basketball, players tend to decline as they age into their 30s.

[KDIGGZ]

Dream scenario=

Bills trade back from 27 to the 2nd and get Campbell and a 3rd. Trade the 3rd for DHop and get him to restructure. Win the super bowl

[Just in Atlanta]

I voted yes*

 

*I reserve the right to change it to no if he's no longer good.**

 

**Or if his contract is bad.

 

 

[KingBoots8]

46 minutes ago, Rico said:

If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day.

Yeah, well, I know for a fact Sammy is the best decoy in the game… 😂