Rubes Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: Why isn't this in the 216 page Dhop thread already open? 'Cause I wanted to do a poll to see where people stand on the issue of a 2nd rounder for DHop. Sorry if that offends you, but I don't think burying a poll in the middle of a 216-page thread will really give us a sense of where most people stand. If you'd prefer yet another thread on someone we should or should not draft, maybe I can better serve you next time. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Process said: I don't think he's worth a 2nd rounder with his contract. That's why he's still a cardinal, no one is giving up that much for him. But when you consider Beane's track record in the second round, and that this draft class sucks, I would do probably do it. That's a good reason for him not to trade. At least he can blame it on the poor class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, mannc said: He’s about to be cut. He’s not even worth a fourth round pick. It only takes one dumb GM............just like when O'Brien traded him to Arizona for peanuts in the first place...........but on the surface his trade value would appear to be equivalent to what 2023-2024 salary the Cardinals would eat, IMO. I'd think the dollar value of a late 2nd round pick would be around $20M today based loosely on the Osweiler trade of 2018. At $34M in guarantees required to match what is due if Arizona doesn't release him........his market just as a free agent would be limited to just a few teams anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, I Am The Liquor said: Bud, that looks amazing. What is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_Cane's_Chicken_Fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 F yeah. Tell me who could possibly fall in the late 2nd to the Bills that could contribute as much as Hopkins? I doubt anybody and even if there was a player, who says Beane would even draft him? They rolled the dice on Diggs and it paid off immensely. If Beane gets the chance then he will most definitely pull the trigger. He’d be stupid not to. Buffalo is in win now mode. Grab the highest rated G in the 1st and an athletic project MLB in the 3rd, let AJ Klein hold it down the first several games. Bank on the 2nd & 3rd year players to improve and you have a SB team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: A quick look at the Bills recent success in the 2nd round supports this 100%. Let’s look at WR drafted in the 2nd round the past few years… AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, Tee Higgins, DK Metcalf, George Pickens … I’m sure there are more. Are we really going to pretend that the only way to get an all-pro WR is to trade away our draft picks to get one? Or is it that you guys are completely done with Beane and think he can’t find us a good WR? This is insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: F yeah. Tell me who could possibly fall in the late 2nd to the Bills that could contribute as much as Hopkins? I doubt anybody and even if there was a player, who says Beane would even draft him? They rolled the dice on Diggs and it paid off immensely. If Beane gets the chance then he will most definitely pull the trigger. He’d be stupid not to. Buffalo is in win now mode. Grab the highest rated G in the 1st and an athletic project MLB in the 3rd, let AJ Klein hold it down the first several games. Bank on the 2nd & 3rd year players to improve and you have a SB team. You’re dreaming. Hopkins is over 30 and coming off a drug suspension. He’s likely to fall off a cliff, much like Julio Jones and AJ Green did at his age. And of course there’s the fact that he’ll soon be released if no GM is dumb enough to pay what Cards are asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, bigK14094 said: Not sure Diggs and Hopkins can coexist. Diggs is our #1, we don't need another. Hopkins isn't a #2, he is a lead dog. I would not make this trade myself, even if the Bills had the cap space. (if you are not the lead dog, the view is the always the same they say) They can coexist - they’re close friends and want to win firsr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, mannc said: He’s about to be cut. He’s not even worth a fourth round pick. And then you’ll have to be the highest bidder, but could it POSSIBLY be worse than his current contract? Why give up a significant draft pick, unless it’s been negotiated on all three sides and everybody is content? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Rubes said: Wow, life must be pretty tough. unfortunately my question was fair and many agree... instead of going after my point, you went after me personal... to bad for you that I do not bite on dog food... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: So, he has a criminal record? Well, if the Chiefs are looking at him he must've hit someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 This team needs to hit on draft picks and can't pay superstar salaries to everyone. Plus, if you think this team is in trouble now, wait until next year when 4 DTs are no longer on the roster. You might get one DT worthy of playing from the draft. Someone will have to come from free agency. If you pay the salary of a Hopkins type player, how the heck are you going to fill a roster the following year. Beane has been playing fast and loose as a GM. He can't continue down that road without major sacrifices. Sacrifices that I just don't think are worth it, even for Hopkins. In fact, it could be said that Beane has all ready gone too far with the huge contract to Von Miller. You add in Josh's contract and there are very few ways to fill a roster. They aren't the only ones getting paid well either. I get that we want superstars. We just can't pay superstar salaries to everyone. The draft is the answer. Not Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, jahnyc said: I don't think the Cardinals are getting a second round pick for DHop, even if they are willing to eat some of this contract. 3rd round - maybe, but he could be released. Edited April 23, 2023 by TAinLA spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rockinon said: This team needs to hit on draft picks and can't pay superstar salaries to everyone. Plus, if you think this team is in trouble now, wait until next year when 4 DTs are no longer on the roster. You might get one DT worthy of playing from the draft. Someone will have to come from free agency. If you pay the salary of a Hopkins type player, how the heck are you going to fill a roster the following year. Beane has been playing fast and loose as a GM. He can't continue down that road without major sacrifices. Sacrifices that I just don't think are worth it, even for Hopkins. In fact, it could be said that Beane has all ready gone too far with the huge contract to Von Miller. You add in Josh's contract and there are very few ways to fill a roster. They aren't the only ones getting paid well either. I get that we want superstars. We just can't pay superstar salaries to everyone. The draft is the answer. Not Hopkins. The flip side of that argument is if you don't have one of the top 10 DT's in football your DT room probably looks a lot like everyone else's. Beane has paid dumb money to some DT's in recent years that weren't any better than league minimum guys........and yet the defense has been good. People like to use other SB contending teams strengths as examples of how it has to be done but they don't want to point to the Eagles signing two DT's off the street in November to shore up their near league worst run defense or the Chiefs winning the SB with a bunch of rookies starting all over the defense.......none of which may ever become "stars". You simply don't have to be good everywhere to win a Super Bowl. The Bills have probably been a bit too concerned about having established talent everywhere and not enough on having difference makers on offense other than Allen and Diggs. 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Rubes said: 'Cause I wanted to do a poll to see where people stand on the issue of a 2nd rounder for DHop. Sorry if that offends you, but I don't think burying a poll in the middle of a 216-page thread will really give us a sense of where most people stand. If you'd prefer yet another thread on someone we should or should not draft, maybe I can better serve you next time. Yep and if another DHOP thread damages a person’s life beyond repair, don’t read the fkng text. Why are people so fkng sensitive to one more thread on a message board? Grow up 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 That would be the type of of you make if you think you are one player away. To me the team is in a position where the prior window has probably passed, it needs to get younger and should be thinking about a 2-3 year plan to create a new window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: That would be the type of of you make if you think you are one player away. To me the team is in a position where the prior window has probably passed, it needs to get younger and should be thinking about a 2-3 year plan to create a new window. You think we’re 2-3 years away? We lost a mlb. We lost 3 games last year. We’re one player away if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Let’s look at WR drafted in the 2nd round the past few years… AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel, Tee Higgins, DK Metcalf, George Pickens … I’m sure there are more. Are we really going to pretend that the only way to get an all-pro WR is to trade away our draft picks to get one? Or is it that you guys are completely done with Beane and think he can’t find us a good WR? This is insane. My point was that the Bills don't draft very well in the 2nd round. D Hop is a proven commodity that reminds me of the big step forward our offense took back in 1990 with the addition of Loften. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Beast said: And then compete with 30 other teams to bring him in. LOL. Hopkins gets to pick where he goes now due to him having to rework his contract - and he’ll get to pick where he goes if he gets cut. No change. He wants to play for a contender so the list is short. Same list today as it is after he gets cut. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 The problem is the cap hit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 hard to reply to the poll. But yes if it were to be done ? The second round is where i would think it should be done perhaps some gamesmanship in the later rounds in addition. Get something back next year from them. For a Bills player , or our pick this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 I think on draft day they would go with a start of a 4th and next year’s 3rd, and maybe negotiate to two 3rds. That would include a down regulated salary. I think he’d take less with incentives that $19 mil. Then we can grab Jack Campbell, and then we have latitude in lower draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 10 hours ago, aristocrat said: can it be next years? I think the Chiefs and the Bills are purposely holding off on making this trade until after this draft so they can they can use this years picks as cheap labor, as both teams are tight against the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 We should just make this deal for #27 with a two year extension. I think the riot that would ensue might be even more fiery and amusing! 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, mannc said: You’re dreaming. Hopkins is over 30 and coming off a drug suspension. He’s likely to fall off a cliff, much like Julio Jones and AJ Green did at his age. And of course there’s the fact that he’ll soon be released if no GM is dumb enough to pay what Cards are asking. Hopkins isn’t a WR that wins with speed. He’s a great route runner w/ even better hands. I don’t think his skills are the type to diminish w/ age especially w/ the lesser amount of wear & tear he has. Maybe a 2nd rounder is too high, but either way I just don’t know how anyone wouldn’t be happy to get a player of that caliber. I don’t think there’s a chance it happens. I just voted in the poll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Is a likely HOF WR with 2 or so very good years left, worth a 2nd round pick? I would think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: You think we’re 2-3 years away? We lost a mlb. We lost 3 games last year. We’re one player away if that. Literally a bad injury from Josh getting blown up away from looking for a new QB again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 11 hours ago, SCBills said: I voted no, but I’d be open to it if it’s cap friendly for the next two years. I voted yes but only if it's cap friendly. DHop is worth a 2nd round pick. It's his salary that worries me. I don't know if the 'yes' I registered is even realistic with our cap situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Literally a bad injury from Josh getting blown up away from looking for a new QB again. As is every team in the NFL who has an elite QB...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Literally a bad injury from Josh getting blown up away from looking for a new QB again. lol. So is every team with a franchise qb. Name a team with two franchise qbs please 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) Not paying a 2nd Round Pick unless AZ is picking up a bunch of the contract. He's great. But I'm not giving up a 2nd and paying a massive contract for any 31/yo WR. 11 hours ago, aristocrat said: can it be next years? Given the strength of this Draft (or lack thereof) - next year's 2nd is worth more than this year's. If they want a pick from that Draft, it's maxing at a 3rd. Edited April 24, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: unfortunately my question was fair and many agree... instead of going after my point, you went after me personal... to bad for you that I do not bite on dog food... Sorry, didn’t realize you were so sensitive about these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Oliver is worth a 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stowellez Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 I voted yes. I just hope we could work/understand the contact and cap hit prior to sending a 2d round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Absolutely yes with zero hesitation. People overvalue the draft way too much. Get the guy we know is great right now and try to win the Super Bowl. In all situations I wouldn't support your thought process, but right now with Allen and the Bills? Absolutely, give it up and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 As stated before, it's a no brainer: Trade 27 and a 5th for 34, a 7th and DHOP with ARI retaining $10m. DHOP restructures with Buffalo to even further reduce the cap hit. ARI's new GM can say he did well cuz he moved up for another 1st. We get DHOP, our choice of MLB at 34 and BPA at 59 (thinking OLINE, TE or DT), BPA at 91 (TE or DL or OL) and BPA at 130 (what's remaining between TE, OL and DL). Slam dunk, off-season won 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, Rubes said: Sorry, didn’t realize you were so sensitive about these things. sorry you have to make things so personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: As is every team in the NFL who has an elite QB...... 46 minutes ago, aristocrat said: lol. So is every team with a franchise qb. Name a team with two franchise qbs please Purdy, Foles and Brady are qbs that over achieved. I dont expect that from Barkley or K. Allen. Do you? Edited April 24, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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