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Your choice as of today, for Pick #27, limited to players who are likely available to select?


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Among these players who would be your pick at #27  

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  1. 1. Among these players who would be your pick at #27

    • Anton Harrison OT
    • Darnell Wright OT
    • Dawand Jones OT
    • Jalin Hyatt WR
    • Josh Downs WR
    • Zay Flowers WR
    • O'Cyrus Torrence G
    • Drew Sanders LB
    • Trenton Simpson LB
    • Jack Campbell LB
    • Best Defensive Lineman or Cornerback available.
    • Dalton Kincaid TE
    • Michael Mayer TE
    • Will McDonald IV Edge
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    • Bijan Johnson
    • Brian Branch, S/CB
    • Joey Porter CB


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It isn't that difficult of a decision, to me at least... and its a few choices.  Most have already said them.

 

You can either use 27 on shoring up the RT problem or get Edmunds replacement.  on the former, Wright or Harrison should work. Both spent time before last season working on weak points.  Wright worked on his footwork, Harrison on his core strength.  Both showed improvement. Unless you are 95% sure that Brown is going to be vastly improved, you need to fix the position.  Simply saying, "He'll be better", isn't enough.

 

The other direction is finding Edmunds replacement.  Campbell is the obvious choice. He makes up for being a tick slower over 40 yards by diagnosing a play earlier.  I strongly doubt he's slower over 20 yards, which is where 95% of his play will come.  That's the only starter missing from the 2022 defense.  And that is getting Hyde back.

 

If you take a RT first, there are a few choices, like Overshown, Henley or Dorian Willams, who could be good but need work.

 

If you take a LB first, Bergeron from Syracuse is going to be one of the few choices left.  He looked good at the Senior Bowl and some think he could be a better guard.  The BIlls were working him out at his Pro Day.  after that...idk. If they don't get one of those 3 at RT, it will be a wasted opportunity.

 

But most importantly, you have to ignore those tired cliches, such as:

 

-you don't draft a RT in the 1st round (makes no sense for a variety of reasons);

-you don't take a 2nd round prospect in the 1st (more likely than not, you WILL be taking a 2nd round prospect in the 1st round);

-I like him in the 2nd, but not the 1st (see above);

-we can find one in the later round (maybe at LB, but the chances aren't good at tackle, the chances of finding, say a WR who can contribute are better in the later rounds).

 

And most importantly, don't overthink it.  The holes to fill are far less than in the past.  Fix them...first. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, mrags said:

No TEs to choose from out of the bunch? Not a single one? There’s no way that Meyer, Kincaid, Washington, and Musgrove all went prior to 27. 

As the original post mentions, the top four posiitions identified as targets were WR, G, OT and LB.  Only 3% identifed TE as a need (and it was a multiple choice question). That is why TEs are not included. Sometimes when building a consensus, you don't get your way. 

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I'm also on the protect Josh at all costs train ...

 

Anton Harrison - Played LT all the way thru both HS and college, could he switch to RT ? ...maybe, but if not Dawkins would have to be moved

Dawand Jones - RT only prospect ? ... Could he beat out Brown as a starter ? ... A first round pick on a swing Tackle is a bit high.

Darnell Wright  - has played LT and RT at Tennessee moving him to the top of my list, I just don't believe he'll be there at #27.

 

Cook, Harris and Hines running behind O'Cyrus Torrence could be fun to watch as well.

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Here is Brooks top 5 by position: 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-top-five-2023-nfl-draft-prospects-by-position-2-0-qb-hooker-above-r

 

I voted for OT Wright, who he describes as follows: 

 

"At 6-5 and 333 pounds, Wright is a big edge blocker with heavy hands and a nasty temperament. The Tennessee product mauls opponents at the point of attack while flashing enough balance and body control to be effective as a road grader or pass protector on the quarterback's front side."

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4 hours ago, Aurelius said:

I think if we talk about overall priorities  on this team, our number 1 overall is Josh Allen.  We should aim to have the best line in the NFL blocking for Allen before we do anything else.  In addition, not worth reaching in first round for a guard.  Answer has to be the best tackle in the draft for our RT spot.

 

Wright is the right answer.

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Could just be me but I don’t care who it is, as long as they actually play the guy all season long, a first rounder who isn’t starting is a wasted pick. 

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35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I just don’t wanna get pigeonholed into drafting a linebacker in the first round
 

Would much rather go after ol

It seems clear that no consensus is likely to develop among TBD posters.   Bills seem to be in an awkward situtation.   

At this point either trading up to 11-15, in an effort to get one of the top 3 OTs or any trade down scenario seems preferable to staying at 27.  Sadly, the Bills can't really control this. 

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4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Almost 100% agree, because in the right trade, it seems you could still get one of those three and something else. I prefer Campbell to Simpson though. 

 

 

Campbell isn't as talented as Simpson and is less of a fit in this defense. I know some people hope they change the defensive scheme. I don't. That isn't the problem. Doesn't mean I hate Campbell. If they traded back and took him I'd support that I think.... but probably less so if Simpson was on the board.

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The poll itself is something of an indication of the difficulty of the choice.  There's really no slam dunk pick that is likely to be available.  I picked Darnell Wright because he had a strong combine.  He's a fairly athletic OT and the Bils may want to hedge their bet on the right tackles they already have (Spencer Brown and Tommy Doyle).  I didn't pick Jack Campbell because I think he's a reach at #27.  I wouldn't expect him to get drafted much before the middle of round 2, but that's just me.    I don't want to draft another smallish WR to come in and compete at what I think is already a decent group at slot receiver. So I'm not going to pick Flowers or Downs.  Hyatt is a bit bigger and I wouldn't mind him  I think he'd be comfortable inside or outside.  I also wouldn't mind Simpson or Sanders, though Simpson has slipped in recent weeks.  He may be more of a second rounder at this point.

 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not a lot else. I just don't see them in anyone else either. It's a ***** draft.

Yeah I agree.  That’s why I think getting the best pass blocker in the draft makes more sense than anything.  I think Hyatt is really hit or miss.  While harrison isn’t a sure thing, I think , at worst, he’s an average pass blocker…. Which is 100x better than Spencer Brown.  There’s still hope for brown…. But I think going with brown and quess will end our season prematurely and is a really stupid move.  

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Although I think Darnell should be the pick, I think Beane is still going to hold onto hope that Spencer takes a big step...which is def possible.

 

Ideal world (current players):

1. RT: Brown steps up, and becomes our future.

2. WR: Shakir becomes our defacto #2, from the slot, and Harty/Sherfield play above their contract.

3. MLB: Bernard surprises and is ready to be a good, not great, starter

4. OG: Connor plays to his contract, David or Bates solidifies the RG position.

5. DT: Ed has a huge year, in a contract season, and Daquan shows out again.  Settle brings more pass rush juice, aka Healthy Phillips

 

If we look at above and say what is least likely to occur/becomes our biggest concern:

1. MLB

2. RT

3. WR

4. DT

5. OG

 

As of now, that is likely our focus areas to align value/need in the draft.

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As much as I like Jack Campbell’s film, Beane should turn in his own resignation paper work right after submitting the pick for Campbell based solely on wasting a 3rd round pick on Bernard in the prior draft. 
 

I can see them drafting a LB with their first pick  unless they trade back to get value.

 

That is why I think it is far more likely we go into the season with Dodson and Bernard. They probably even think they can bring in AJ Klein if needed.

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12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

As much as I like Jack Campbell’s film, Beane should turn in his own resignation paper work right after submitting the pick for Campbell based solely on wasting a 3rd round pick on Bernard in the prior draft. 
 

I can see them drafting a LB with their first pick  unless they trade back to get value.

 

That is why I think it is far more likely we go into the season with Dodson and Bernard. They probably even think they can bring in AJ Klein if needed.


He should resign over a bad, late third round pick? I get that Bernard looks like a really bad pick. But I don’t understand the logic here. He just shouldn’t draft anymore linebackers because he picked a crappy one last year? That third round pick is a sunk cost. It is what it is. You have to start fresh every year and you have to pick the best player for your team, and right now that is a guy like Campbell imo.

 

This is what GMs do. Some picks hit and some picks don’t. Everybody’s rockstar GM Brett Veatch drafted random defensive tackles in the third round 2018, 2019, 2020 all of whom really didn’t amount to anything. Khalen Saunders is ok and just left. So Veatch doesn’t have to resign because he drafted Mahomes and Creed Humphrey? How many WRs did Philly have to draft until they got one right? It’s all a part of the job. You have to look forward. 
 

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16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:


He should resign over a bad, late third round pick? I get that Bernard looks like a really bad pick. But I don’t understand the logic here. He just shouldn’t draft anymore linebackers because he picked a crappy one last year? That third round pick is a sunk cost. It is what it is. You have to start fresh every year and you have to pick the best player for your team, and right now that is a guy like Campbell imo.

 

This is what GMs do. Some picks hit and some picks don’t. Everybody’s rockstar GM Brett Veatch drafted random defensive tackles in the third round 2018, 2019, 2020 all of whom really didn’t amount to anything. Khalen Saunders is ok and just left. So Veatch doesn’t have to resign because he drafted Mahomes and Creed Humphrey? How many WRs did Philly have to draft until they got one right? It’s all a part of the job. You have to look forward. 
 


My bigger point is that the optics would look bad for him. Beane is better off going with Dodson and Bernard this year and using day 1 and 2 picks at other positions. 
 

Plus, how could anyone even know if Bernard is a bust or not ready when he has hardly played? 

 

As for your point of picks not working out, Beane seems to have his fair share in the day 1 and 2 area. Outside of Allen, I’m not sure he has hit on a single day 1 and 2 pick in his entire time with the Bills. 
 

There’s been players who have played meaningful roles on the team like Knox, Edmunds and Singletary but I’m not sure I would say they were successes over expectations. Maybe Knox I guess but we need more out of him next year. Currently the sentiment is coaching and Allen are letting Knox down and thwarted his break out year this past season. 

 

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51 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:


My bigger point is that the optics would look bad for him. Beane is better off going with Dodson and Bernard this year and using day 1 and 2 picks at other positions. 
 

Plus, how could anyone even know if Bernard is a bust or not ready when he has hardly played? 

 

As for your point of picks not working out, Beane seems to have his fair share in the day 1 and 2 area. Outside of Allen, I’m not sure he has hit on a single day 1 and 2 pick in his entire time with the Bills. 
 

There’s been players who have played meaningful roles on the team like Knox, Edmunds and Singletary but I’m not sure I would say they were successes over expectations. Maybe Knox I guess but we need more out of him next year. Currently the sentiment is coaching and Allen are letting Knox down and thwarted his break out year this past season. 

 


My point is that all GMs have a ton of misses, including the GMs that every idolizes. Most GMs seem to struggle in the round 2 and 3…the odds just get lower. 


On Bernard, we really have no idea what they think of him, but they probably have some conclusions based on his practices. The only thing that I claim to know is that he is not a mike. He is Milano’s backup. It’s like apples to oranges y’know?
 

But they know what they have in the building with Bernard and Dodson, but I believe that there is a zero percent chance that either of those guys is starting come September. So the optics don’t matter…he needs a mike. Sure he can draft a backup RT to challenge Brown or a #2 tight end, but how can he justify that when there is a glaring hole in the middle of the defense. 
 

I keep saying it, but this was the exact same debate on this board last season when there was a glaring hole at corner. It was so obvious it was going to happen, but people kept on arguing against it. Maybe I am wrong and they really believe in Dodson…I just don’t buy it. 

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12 hours ago, H2o said:

Campbell. Campbell would be what we all hoped Edmunds would become in this defense. For whatever reason, Beane and McDermott believe in Brown (even though a lot of us don't). 

Spencer will never have fast enough feet to play either tackle spot. I too like Wright alot. Plug n play RT.  Seen tape on both Campbell and Sanders. I'd lean Sanders.

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28 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

It's bananas to me how high people are on Campbell. 


Why though? Because people on draft sites have him later in the draft? Is it something you see in game?
 

His production, instincts and all his athletic measures are better than Tremaine’s except his 40. So it can’t be that. 
 

Last year at this time no one had Kaiir Elam in the 1st. And that’s where he went. Draft gurus had Karlaftis in the top 5, he went like 30. None of that matters.

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1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:


My point is that all GMs have a ton of misses, including the GMs that every idolizes. Most GMs seem to struggle in the round 2 and 3…the odds just get lower. 


On Bernard, we really have no idea what they think of him, but they probably have some conclusions based on his practices. The only thing that I claim to know is that he is not a mike. He is Milano’s backup. It’s like apples to oranges y’know?
 

But they know what they have in the building with Bernard and Dodson, but I believe that there is a zero percent chance that either of those guys is starting come September. So the optics don’t matter…he needs a mike. Sure he can draft a backup RT to challenge Brown or a #2 tight end, but how can he justify that when there is a glaring hole in the middle of the defense. 
 

I keep saying it, but this was the exact same debate on this board last season when there was a glaring hole at corner. It was so obvious it was going to happen, but people kept on arguing against it. Maybe I am wrong and they really believe in Dodson…I just don’t buy it. 

I'd be shocked at this point if the first pick isn't LB. They ought to at least try to trade back into the early second.

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I don't claim to be a draft expert, but I will say this. We have not made a strong enough commitment to our OL. A franchise OT would do more than another WR to help this team win. I hear different reviews about Jawand Jones, but I love watching him put defenders on the ground. Trade up if necessary for a premium OT and if S Brown takes a big jump, so be it. Move Dawkins inside or whatever. Too many good OT's is a problem I'd love to have. I'm sure Josh would too.

 
 
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3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 
He should resign over a bad, late third round pick? I get that Bernard looks like a really bad pick. But I don’t understand the logic here. He just shouldn’t draft anymore linebackers because he picked a crappy one last year? That third round pick is a sunk cost. It is what it is. You have to start fresh every year and you have to pick the best player for your team, and right now that is a guy like Campbell imo.
 
This is what GMs do. Some picks hit and some picks don’t. Everybody’s rockstar GM Brett Veatch drafted random defensive tackles in the third round 2018, 2019, 2020 all of whom really didn’t amount to anything. Khalen Saunders is ok and just left. So Veatch doesn’t have to resign because he drafted Mahomes and Creed Humphrey? How many WRs did Philly have to draft until they got one right? It’s all a part of the job. You have to look forward. 
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Agreed, but I don't see MLB as a big investment position. We could still do OK drafting a LB in the 2nd or maybe signing an average MLB in FA if there is one still available. I haven't looked lately though, so maybe we do need to draft one.
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1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

 

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Agreed, but I don't see MLB as a big investment position. We could still do OK drafting a LB in the 2nd or maybe signing an average MLB in FA if there is one still available. I haven't looked lately though, so maybe we do need to draft one.

I think with our defensive scheme, MLB may need a little more investment than some other teams. We just saw Edmunds sign for 18m? Considering a top end #2 WR will probably cost 10-15m+ or a top RT about the same, cost wise, I think these 3 positions are pretty close. I also think if you look to draft one of these, it's along the same line. End of 1st, top half of 2nd for one of the better options.🤔. Of course it's only my opinion. 

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16 hours ago, DC Grid said:

Jack Campbell?   So in a league built upon speed, in a D that stresses speed, at a spot where often only 2 guys are playing, the idea is to go with a throwback slow LB?  This guy maybe makes sense in a 3-4 system, where fast OLBs can mask his inability to cover ground, but with a team whose base is a modified nickel this just doesn’t make sense.  
 

I rather have Trenton Simpson and his 4:43 speed that can cover and blitz 

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7 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

It's bananas to me how high people are on Campbell. 

He played in black and yellow for Iowa, so he’s giving people Steeler LB vibes. If he used a neck pad and had a mullet, Bills Mafia would advocate for a trade up. The portion of Bills fans that reside here on TBD are stuck in the 90’s.

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3/26 Adding Dalton Kincaid TE, 

3/26 Adding Michael Mayer TE
3/26 Adding Will McDonald IV Edge


YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE IF THE NEW ADDITIONS CHANGE YOUR MIND



I changed my vote from Hyatt to Dalton Kincaid, a newly added choice.  I think Kincaid will be gone, but is likely the top player who could possibly be available at 27. 

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4 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I think with our defensive scheme, MLB may need a little more investment than some other teams. We just saw Edmunds sign for 18m? Considering a top end #2 WR will probably cost 10-15m+ or a top RT about the same, cost wise, I think these 3 positions are pretty close. I also think if you look to draft one of these, it's along the same line. End of 1st, top half of 2nd for one of the better options.🤔. Of course it's only my opinion. 


So, for our defensive coach, in our defensive scheme, we need the following:

 

Heavy investment on the DL 8-9 man rotation

 

A top tier investment at MLB

 

Investment at both Safety spots 

 

Investment at Nickel CB

 

Were told all those positions are super important in McD’s scheme. 

 

Nevermind the investment we’ve made at the other LB spot and both outside corners. 
 

Insanity.  LB at 27 becomes more and more revolting to me every day closer to the draft. 

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:


So, for our defensive coach, in our defensive scheme, we need the following:

 

Heavy investment on the DL 8-9 man rotation

 

A top tier investment at MLB

 

Investment at both Safety spots 

 

Investment at Nickel CB

 

Were told all those positions are super important in McD’s scheme. 

 

Nevermind the investment we’ve made at the other LB spot and both outside corners. 
 

Insanity.  LB at 27 becomes more and more revolting to me every day closer to the draft. 

I'm not at all happy about it. It is what I expect. I would like Kincaid if he drops to 27.

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