PBF81 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Kiva said: Trade him for a 3rd. Guy is just average and slow for his size. In the playoffs against KC in two games and Cinci, he's logged 3 TFL, 2 QB Hits, and a mere 1 sack. The Chiefs scored on the drive that he logged his sack on. Ironically, those are the highlights, and none of Beane's draft picks on our D has outperformed him in the playoffs, sadly. In 8 total playoff games he's logged 4 TFL, 5 QB Hits, and 2 Sacks. Oddly, to add some perspective, Basham, in his only four playoff games, has logged 2 TFL, 3 QB Hits, and 2 Sacks. on a per game basis that's the same number of TFLs, slightly more QB Hits, and double the sacks. As much as McBeane say that they're tried to create a team that can beat KC, and now presumably Cinci, they've done the exact opposite on D. It is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Has there ever been a player on the 5th year option that didn't say or twit "show me the money" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Honestly, I didn't want him anyways. Too light and wasn't dominate enough at Houston. Take his pick and protect Josh Allen... win 48-45 games for all I care. Build the offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 31 minutes ago, Casey D said: Can't. It's guaranteed. Can trade him though, that was what I meant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 The Bills shouldn't fear letting go of under performing players. They gave Darius the boot, and I think it was the right thing to do. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, Casey D said: Can't. It's guaranteed. I assume he meant TRADE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: The Bills shouldn't fear letting go of under performing players. They gave Darius the boot, and I think it was the right thing to do. ..but Darius went on to be a domin... err.. nm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, BillsDiehard said: Interesting...definitely more likely to be traded! "Definitely," in the sense of "it's possible, but probably not"? Yeah, maybe in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Magox said: The problem with a trade is value. What if he turns out to be a stud? He has shown stretches of his career that he can be dominant. Then again he’s shown to be rather inconsistent at times. If you trade him it would have to at least be a 2nd rounder, if you can’t get that I’d rather just roll with him another year and hope he has a breakout season in which you could re-sign him then. I would take a 2nd for him but I’d also be willing to take two 3rds as well, even if it meant that we get a 3rd in 2023 and a third in 2024. Buffalo is paying Josh $45M/year and if we want to put a solid roster around him, we need to do a better job accumulating picks both short term and long term. That’s the approach New England took with Tom Brady, so why not do it ourselves? It worked for them. Play the compensation game too while you’re at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Wait a minute. I don't know if it's the wrong tweet, or the wrong Oliver. 🤔 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, PBF81 said: In the playoffs against KC in two games and Cinci, he's logged 3 TFL, 2 QB Hits, and a mere 1 sack. The Chiefs scored on the drive that he logged his sack on. You're blaming Oliver - or desperately trying, anyway - for the fact that the Chiefs scored on the drive that he got his sack? That says far more about you than about Oliver. It says you don't like the guy and you're willing to use even illogical arguments to attack him. Oliver's been one of the Bills top five or six players this year. He's also gotten better each year. Certainly not impossible, almost nothing is, but if it happens it will leave a massive hole they can't fill right now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma Pecoraro Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Oliver is underwhelming. Move him along little doggie, and spend on body armor or ammo for Josh. scoring is the new improved defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: My guess is his post had nothing to do with his contract at all and he only deleted it because his agent told him how it looks. Athletes have a life outside of football. What else might he be talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Wait a minute. I don't know if it's the wrong tweet, or the wrong Oliver. 🤔 Tweet, twist same difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: My guess is his post had nothing to do with his contract at all and he only deleted it because his agent told him how it looks. Athletes have a life outside of football. You’re probably right. I bet he was at the bank and got angry at a teller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 He's not so good that we couldn't replace him with any middle of the road player that is going to be just as meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What else might he be talking about? Anything. Show me the money doesn't always literally mean "show me the money." He could be talking about a girl he's trying to hook up with. Young people post random crap on social media everyday. I don't even know what about his contract he could be upset about? It's a 5th year option, it can't be touched. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Other than Allen and Milano, the entire roster could be shot out of a circus cannon at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Airseven said: Other than Allen and Milano, the entire roster could be shot out of a circus cannon at this point. Diggs nonstop commentary.. Oliver deleted tweets.. This is what happens when you keep falling short.. The culture is great, until it’s not. I still think it’s a great locker room, comparatively, but it certainly seems time for a shake up type of off-season. This group has fallen short 3x in a row. It’s time to shuffle the deck. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Diggs nonstop commentary.. Oliver deleted tweets.. This is what happens when you keep falling short.. The culture is great, until it’s not. I still think it’s a great locker room, comparatively, but it certainly seems time for a shake up type of off-season. This group has fallen short 3x in a row. It’s time to shuffle the deck. I think yhe Bills are going to have a disappointing year this year. I am prepared for it. Poor dafting/fa capital has set the team back and its really starting to catch up with them now. Jmo of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 If you want to play hard ball and want to be taken seriously you do it through the agent you pay to take care of these sort of issues, children and immature adults go the Twitter route, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I think yhe Bills are going to have a disappointing year this year. I am prepared for it. Poor dafting/fa capital has set the team back and its really starting to catch up with them now. Jmo of course I’m still bullish on this team, but we do need to some luck … guys like Von, White and Hyde return close to their prior form, along with making smart/aggressive decisions this off-season. We’re about to find out if the latter comes true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 4 hours ago, BillsDiehard said: Interesting...definitely more likely to be traded! so no one was able to nab the real screenshot? I cant even see this specific SS. Just SS with black background. Hard to believe not one person has the real full SS of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 He didn't end it with "NO CAP, fr fr" so not sure if I should take it seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: so no one was able to nab the real screenshot? I cant even see this specific SS. Just SS with black background. Hard to believe not one person has the real full SS of this. relax all you. I got it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, cba fan said: relax all you. I got it accept thats not real? accept the one your showing is a fake edoliver the l is replaced with a cap I and notice the thumbnail picture does not match. Ed Oliver never add that picture. Edited March 11, 2023 by PrimeTime101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Ed who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) I would offer Ed + 2nd + a 4th next year around the league to see if any front office values him enough to make a deal for their 1st. Texans, Seahawks, Eagles, Lions all have multiple 1sts and could be most open to it. Depending on what we do in Free Agency, we could come out of the 1st with combo of OG + OT WR + OG WR + TE Bijan + WR Edited March 12, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: I would take a 2nd for him but I’d also be willing to take two 3rds as well, even if it meant that we get a 3rd in 2023 and a third in 2024. Buffalo is paying Josh $45M/year and if we want to put a solid roster around him, we need to do a better job accumulating picks both short term and long term. That’s the approach New England took with Tom Brady, so why not do it ourselves? It worked for them. Play the compensation game too while you’re at it. Are you high? He’s on a one year deal, for more than market value, that can’t be negotiated without an extension. There is no team that wants an under performing, undersized NT for that money to start with, much less give up high picks or multiple for him. If you can get a 5th and clear the cap space, you take it. 35 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I would offer Ed + 2nd + a 4th next year around the league to see if any front office values him enough to make a deal for their 1st. Texans, Seahawks, Eagles, Lions all have multiple 1sts and could be most open to it. Depending on what we do in Free Agency, we could come out of the 1st with combo of OG + OT WR + OG WR + TE Bijan + WR Yeah, again.. high as a kite. 1 hour ago, Beast said: Look he stopped the run! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Are you high? He’s on a one year deal, for more than market value, that can’t be negotiated without an extension. There is no team that wants an under performing, undersized NT for that money to start with, much less give up high picks or multiple for him. If you can get a 5th and clear the cap space, you take it. Why do you call him a NT? Why would you trade Oliver for a 5th? Why, why, why? Oliver is double teamed so much because he’s our best DT, he was never meant to be a nose. I see a streaky player who is either hot or cold. Anyone with a mind can see the potential in Ed Oliver. You my friend are all alone in your belief that he’s only worth a 5th. I don’t mean to be obtuse but your post is unseemly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 "Ion"? Idiot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: You my friend are all alone in your belief that he’s only worth a 5th. I don’t mean to be obtuse but your post is unseemly. Actually, he is not. I have stated on this forum multiple times if Beane could get a 5th for ‘big’ Ed he is in hero territory. Anyone thinking there are teams lining up for an undersized, underperforming IDL are in fact on drugs. His contract notwithstanding, Ed is not a game changer and his cap hit too high - tell me again the market for that combo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Herb Nightly said: Send him back to his hometown of Houston....for their two, 3rd round picks. We would be extremely lucky to get one of those third round picks It’s not just the compensation he’s owed $10 million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We would be extremely lucky to get one of those third round picks It’s not just the compensation he’s owed $10 million Keep him then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Victory Formation said: Keep him then. Yeah, I don’t know The whole not being able to pay him next year thing doesn’t settle with me very well Sometimes you gotta move these guys a year early 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 $10m can address a few OFF holes and with Ed’s injury history and inconsistency he is really a $3.5m player at best. $10m is criminal to slot to Ed. Move quickly on and take what you can get, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, IndyMark said: $10m can address a few OFF holes and with Ed’s injury history and inconsistency he is really a $3.5m player at best. $10m is criminal to slot to Ed. Move quickly on and take what you can get, regardless. You want to cut Oliver? Am I hearing this right? Or are you saying that you want to trade him for a 5th? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: You want to cut Oliver? Am I hearing this right? Or are you saying that you want to trade him for a 5th? Where to start? First, I typed my comments so if you "heard" something that says more about you than you think. Second, let me help you with reading comprehension. The following "and take what you can get..." should give you a clue. No? here is this and I will type it slowly.....that....phrase...implies...a...trade. Better? Not once above or anywhere in my previous posts have I ever stated or implied cutting Ed. Though now that you, emphasizing you, mentioned it maybe Beane is pondering that as a late camp cut if Ed comes into camp with a chip on his shoulder that is disproportional to his production. You know, culture and all. I appreciate you teaching me a valuable lesson in needing to calibrate whom is posting and what type of dialogue I should expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 never liked this pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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