Jets Trade For Chuck Clark

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

McD is chomping at the bit for a “process” safety at 27. 

Or we go after an athletic freak DT in Bryan Bresee. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Don’t worry. We will use our first round pick on one. 

Late 1st and early 2nd isn’t the worst spot to grab a safety. You’re hopefully getting the best in the draft.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

It’s a waste of a first rounder, but you know damn well it is a possibility with this regime.

Not at 27. It’s rare to have that many 1st round grades. That’s basically a 2nd round pick. That’s why I’m always in favor of trading down and getting whatever you can.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Feel like we missed the boat on that, even as a one year rental, that’s a solid player they could have had for a 6th.

 

Ravens do not likely think JEST are rivals for playoffs but Bills are and have beaten them several times so may not have traded with Buffalo.

A little surprised not traded to NFC.

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Yep! Beane asleep at the wheel while the Jets just seemingly get better. 

 

The AFC east is going to be a dogfight. I can see the Bills finishing 1st or 3rd. Not much separation between the 3 team's. 

 

Is there a changing of the guard taking place? 

A little dramatic, don't you think Newcam??  Season doesn't start for 6 months.  If Chuck Clark was that good, I don't think the Ravens would have just let him go for a 7th round pick.  

 

And that's fine if the AFC East is a dogfight.  We have the best player in the division, if the not the entire league.  Try and relax.  Watch some Nascar for awhile.  And there is also a good series on Netflix about the PGA Tour called Full Swing.  I would recommend it.  

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Late 1st and early 2nd isn’t the worst spot to grab a safety. You’re hopefully getting the best in the draft.

Unless they plan to completely change their defensive philosophy from a lazy one to an aggressive one that utilizes a first round type talent, then yes it’s a waste taking any safety in the 1st

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Yep! Beane asleep at the wheel while the Jets just seemingly get better. 

 

The AFC east is going to be a dogfight. I can see the Bills finishing 1st or 3rd. Not much separation between the 3 teams. 

 

Is there a changing of the guard taking place? 

 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They’re already there with competent QB play and young players developing, Wilson becoming a true WR1.

Outside of Wilson, they have zero weapons. No TE option . Davis is superior to Elijah Moore. 

They'd have Breece Hall coming off an ACL. Really bad OL. Def worse than ours. 

 

Overall ARod had a better O in GB. Would have better D in Jersey.  It'd be interesting but they're no more than a WC team 

[newcam2012]

26 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

A little dramatic, don't you think Newcam??  Season doesn't start for 6 months.  If Chuck Clark was that good, I don't think the Ravens would have just let him go for a 7th round pick.  

 

And that's fine if the AFC East is a dogfight.  We have the best player in the division, if the not the entire league.  Try and relax.  Watch some Nascar for awhile.  And there is also a good series on Netflix about the PGA Tour called Full Swing.  I would recommend it.  

Thank you. With respect I am as relaxed as can be. Thanks for inquiring or at least being inquisitive. 

 

NASCAR isn't my thing but golf certainly gets my attention. 

 

Who doesn't love March madness? 

 

It will be very interesting to see the Bills upcoming decisions. In the past, I've had great confidence in Beane, the scouting department, and Coach McD. Frankly, the last few years they have underwhelmed in my eyes. The confidence factor is much less. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that feels such? 

 

This off season should very well tell us what path the Bills organization is on. 

[snamsnoops]

57 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Don’t worry. We will use our first round pick on one. 

I remember throwing up a lil in my mouth when they drafted D Witner.....

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’re until proven otherwise but roster wise the Bills have work to do if they lose Poyer and Edmunds.

We get Hyde and should be 100% White. We'll be fine but need Von to return to form for sure. He made the biggest impact on our D last year and our O is far superior if they had ARod

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Outside of Wilson, they have zero weapons. No TE option . Davis is superior to Elijah Moore. 

They'd have Breece Hall coming off an ACL. Really bad OL. Def worse than ours. 

 

Overall ARod had a better O in GB. Would have better D in Jersey.  It'd be interesting but they're no more than a WC team 

 

I would take the Jets defense over the Bills.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

We're superior at every offensive position except LT and RB IF Hall comes back to form. 

 

I'd give them a slight edge on D. 

We're still by far the East favorite 

I get that tje Bills are favorites to win the division. They are defending champions and have the best QB in the division by a country mile. 

 

I'd argue that the Bills roster is not much better if that than the Dolphins and the Jets. That's very debatable. As mentioned, Allen is really the difference maker. 

 

Just go back to last season and watch the Bills vs the Jets and Miami. You can't tell me that both those teams aren't breathing down the backs of the Bills. 

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The Bills have by far the best QB situation and a solid supporting roster. I am not too worried about the AFC East just yet. The Jets trading for an average safety is not worrying me. If there is one thing I trust McBeane on it is the secondary. If McBeane felt like Chuck Clark wasn't a fit for replacing Poyer then it likely wasn't a good fit. Poyer in 2017 was a no-name player. Prior to coming to Buffalo Poyer started 10 games for the Browns over 2 seasons and wasn't graded out very high in the games he did start. Many fans were puzzled why in 2017 he got a 4-year deal with 7 million guaranteed. But he far exceeded the contract and even got an extension. 

 

Levi Wallace was an undrafted free agent who played fairly well in the system, Dane Jackson was a 6th-round pick and has been a capable starting corner, Dean Marlowe and Hamlin have played decently at times. If there is one aspect of the team I do think the Bills can find players at it is the secondary.

We will see what McD can do with the defense now that he's likely taking over. I can't wait to see it. 

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

Would’ve LOVED for the Bills to have made this move. Makes me wonder if there are any other starting caliber players that Beane could trade our 6th round pick for.

Yeah and we heard all last offseason the Dolphins would challenge for the division crown. Then midway through the season it was “the Jets and Dolphins have caught up to the Bills”. They ended up winning the division 4 games clear of second place. The Bills are still a class above the rest of the AFC East until someone proves otherwise.

I don't disagree with that. The Bills should be the favorites. Like I said I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they finished 1st to 3rd. 

[chongli]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

gross, there is a Buffalo Jet Fan twitter??

 

Yeah, I noticed that too. That user is a traitor to all of Buffalo. Why would a Buffalo person like the Jets over the Bills?

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No.

I think a lot depends on the QB situation for Miami and NY. If the Jets get Rodgers that would put them on par with the Bills. 

 

A healthy Tua certainly can beat the Bills. Heck, they almost beat Buffalo in a home playoff game with a 3rd stringer. Let's not overlook the Bills offense was completely healthy. 

 

I'm not sure why so many on here think the Bills team is a lot better than either of these teams. The gap is miniscule in my eyes if either opposing team QB situation gets solved. Even if it doesn't, look at how the games were played last year. 

 

I certainly am interested at looking at getting Miami or the Jets to win the East. Depends on the odds and upcoming events. 

 

Right now, Miami and Jet fans have to feel pretty good about knocking off the Bills. I think prior to last season the belief wasn't there. The Bills were feared and in awe of. Those days are over as it's evident the Bills teams can be manhandled on the line of scrimmage. 

[snamsnoops]

3 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Yeah, I noticed that too. That user is a traitor to all of Buffalo. Why would a Buffalo person like the Jets over the Bills?

The type of disgusting person dipping their Wings into Ranch!!

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I think a lot depends on the QB situation for Miami and NY. If the Jets get Rodgers that would put them on par with the Bills. 

 

A healthy Tua certainly can beat the Bills. Heck, they almost beat Buffalo in a home playoff game with a 3rd stringer. Let's not overlook the Bills offense was completely healthy. 

 

I'm not sure why so many on here think the Bills team is a lot better than either of these teams. The gap is miniscule in my eyes if either opposing team QB situation gets solved. Even if it doesn't, look at how the games were played last year. 

 

I certainly am interested at looking at getting Miami or the Jets to win the East. Depends on the odds and upcoming events. 

 

Right now, Miami and Jet fans have to feel pretty good about knocking off the Bills. I think prior to last season the belief wasn't there. The Bills were feared and in awe of. Those days are over as it's evident the Bills teams can be manhandled on the line of scrimmage. 

 

I'll give you the Jets and Dolphins. I'll take the Bills. Patriots win it then no bet. $50? 

 

 

[benderbender]

I’ve been saying for years that we can’t count on our division rivals to be incompetent like we were for 17 years of the drought. With the draft last year and the moves they’ve made so far, the Jets and Dolphins look like they’ve grown up. Not fun.

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

That is a hell of a move. Wow. A 7th? Crikey 

 

Beane when this was happening;

 

 

At least we got Dean Marlowe. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

40 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Thank you. With respect I am as relaxed as can be. Thanks for inquiring or at least being inquisitive. 

 

NASCAR isn't my thing but golf certainly gets my attention. 

 

Who doesn't love March madness? 

 

It will be very interesting to see the Bills upcoming decisions. In the past, I've had great confidence in Beane, the scouting department, and Coach McD. Frankly, the last few years they have underwhelmed in my eyes. The confidence factor is much less. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that feels such? 

 

This off season should very well tell us what path the Bills organization is on. 

Good response Newcam.  I was being somewhat fascetious.  I agree this is a big offseason for the Bills.  And I also agree that things are not as rosy as they have been the past couple offseasons.  That being said, I believe that the Cincinnati game was a big cold slap in the face for the entire organization.  Beane likes to act like the coolest guy in the room.  That's his MO.  But I think he will make some solid moves building our roster for 2023.  We need to be much stronger on the O line.  And need more weapons for Josh Allen.  I am fine with letting Edmonds walk.  He is a good player.  But is not a gamechanger or overly nasty mean and instinctive.  I believe he is replaceable.  I think Poyer is a better football player.  But injuries have taken their toll like they do on most veterans at some point.  I did like McDermott saying in one interview that we need to be nastier on defense.  That makes me feel better knowing that he sees what needs improving on the defense.  But in today's NFL, games are usually won with a whole bunch of offense.  (look at the Super Bowl)  So lets put our best resources there.  

 

I wasn't a Nascar fan until 2020.  But now I watch every race.  Full Swing is a good documentary series on the PGA.  The second episode was about Brooks Koepka.  He was just crumbling last year after dominating in 2017-2019.  His mind is a mess.  And he was just miserable on the course and at home.  But his girlfriend/fiance is pretty hot.  So he does have that going for him.  

[newcam2012]

16 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Good response Newcam.  I was being somewhat fascetious.  I agree this is a big offseason for the Bills.  And I also agree that things are not as rosy as they have been the past couple offseasons.  That being said, I believe that the Cincinnati game was a big cold slap in the face for the entire organization.  Beane likes to act like the coolest guy in the room.  That's his MO.  But I think he will make some solid moves building our roster for 2023.  We need to be much stronger on the O line.  And need more weapons for Josh Allen.  I am fine with letting Edmonds walk.  He is a good player.  But is not a gamechanger or overly nasty mean and instinctive.  I believe he is replaceable.  I think Poyer is a better football player.  But injuries have taken their toll like they do on most veterans at some point.  I did like McDermott saying in one interview that we need to be nastier on defense.  That makes me feel better knowing that he sees what needs improving on the defense.  But in today's NFL, games are usually won with a whole bunch of offense.  (look at the Super Bowl)  So lets put our best resources there.  

 

I wasn't a Nascar fan until 2020.  But now I watch every race.  Full Swing is a good documentary series on the PGA.  The second episode was about Brooks Koepka.  He was just crumbling last year after dominating in 2017-2019.  His mind is a mess.  And he was just miserable on the course and at home.  But his girlfriend/fiance is pretty hot.  So he does have that going for him.  

Great post. I enjoyed it. I'll have to check out Full Swing.

 

 

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'll give you the Jets and Dolphins. I'll take the Bills. Patriots win it then no bet. $50? 

 

 

I'd be a fool to take that bet for even money. 

 

 

 

 

 

[frostbitmic]

So he was rated 77th out of 96 Safeties and people are up in arms we didn't trade for him ?

 

The Bills can do better than that.

[without a drought]

A 1 year deal looks great, but I'm expecting a new deal shortly after.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

I’ve been saying for years that we can’t count on our division rivals to be incompetent like we were for 17 years of the drought. With the draft last year and the moves they’ve made so far, the Jets and Dolphins look like they’ve grown up. Not fun.

It's crazy how none of these three teams could figure amy of this out during the patriots 20 years of dominance. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

I’ve been saying for years that we can’t count on our division rivals to be incompetent like we were for 17 years of the drought. With the draft last year and the moves they’ve made so far, the Jets and Dolphins look like they’ve grown up. Not fun.

The Jets literally missed the playoffs last year
 

Miami is so smart that they ran their QB into a concussed state

 

Let’s just hold the phone on the praise

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

It's crazy how none of these three teams could figure amy of this out during the patriots 20 years of dominance. 

I feel like the Dolphins and Jets each had a couple off-seasons where they were supposed to challenge the Patriots. Never really did. 
 

I think both teams have really talented teams. Always comes down to QB. Jets, Bills, and Dolphins always got it wrong during the Patriots dominance.

[26TrapDraw]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That’s frowned upon. Beane would be a hypocrite.

Hypocrite the s!@# out of it we need a safety

[MarkyMannn]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Don’t worry. We will use our first round pick on one. 

Nightmares of Whitner

[aristocrat]

Man this guy must be a hall of famer 

[BillsFan2313]

I read like 2 replies, but let me guess. 

 

This guy is amazing

Jets fleeced the Ravens

Jets are serious threats to the Bills

How did Beane not make this trade

 

Am I right?

[streetkings01]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

So he was rated 77th out of 96 Safeties and people are up in arms we didn't trade for him ?

 

The Bills can do better than that.

That’s what I don’t get. Ravens traded him for a 7th…..he seems like an adequate starter at best.

6 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

I read like 2 replies, but let me guess. 

 

This guy is amazing

Jets fleeced the Ravens

Jets are serious threats to the Bills

How did Beane not make this trade

 

Am I right?

You would be 100% accurate 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'll give you the Jets and Dolphins. I'll take the Bills. Patriots win it then no bet. $50? 

 

 

I'm not that foolish to make that bet when odds are 50 50. However, the $50 bet is my sweet spot. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by newcam2012

[L Ron Burgundy]

Anyone else annoyed that we don't go after cheap/good assets like this?

 

Every year a team or 3 sells cheap.  Rebuilding/salary cap/scheme change.  Lots of reasons.   We should target players like this.  I don't feel like we're a contender anymore. 

[TAinLack.]

13 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

We get Hyde and should be 100% White. We'll be fine but need Von to return to form for sure. He made the biggest impact on our D last year and our O is far superior if they had ARod

We'll be lucky to have Von Miller back by November and even then he might not be 100%.

[BobbyC81]

15 hours ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Don’t worry. We will waste our first rounder on a safety instead. That’s how beane rolls. 

Damn are you reading my mind or something. Literally posted this exact thing at the exact same time. 

No, some people are incapable of coming up with their own thoughts.  They just cut and paste from other posters.

[NoSaint]

17 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Feel like we missed the boat on that, even as a one year rental, that’s a solid player they could have had for a 6th.

have to think a new deal is part of this, but that’s just speculation 

1 hour ago, TAinLA said:

We'll be lucky to have Von Miller back by November and even then he might not be 100%.

Way to take the worst case 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Could’ve been a nice cheap stop gap for Poyer.

 

oh well 

[Doc]

14 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

So he was rated 77th out of 96 Safeties and people are up in arms we didn't trade for him ?

 

The Bills can do better than that.

 

The Jets always win the off-season...

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Was in response to Dolphins and Jets

 

 

Sure looked to me more like the heat beat the Bills than the Dolphins. How many guys were out with cramps and getting I.V.s?

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Sure looked to me more like the heat beat the Bills than the Dolphins. How many guys were out with cramps and getting I.V.s?

 

It was the heat combined with the short week.  Remove either and they win.