Best possible picks at 27?

[BeastMode54]

47 minutes ago, Bigvinny said:

OT Paris Johnson Jr. from Ohio State. Almost Every mock I have done he is at 27. I have seen him rated as high as number 7 overall.

I like him a lot too, and I know there is a lot of GM speak, but I really think they give Spencer Brown another shot at RT. I could be wrong though

[starrymessenger]

I think I know what I would like in terms of approach and some individual players but of course I probably won't get what I want.

1 Addison (too many WR needy teams and he's just too good to last). So maybe another potential difference maker at WR might be available. 
2. IOL, Avila or Cody Mauch. Both can play multiple O-line positions. Mauch looks inbred and is hobo level disheveled but he is likely a 10 year starter. Not much upside but the floor is high enuf.

3. Darnell Washington (it's like another really good O-lineman). He's a fantastic blocker, can be an option for Josh in the passing game, will enable TE #1 to run more routes and will strike fear into the hearts of all adversaries.

4. You can maybe find a couple of safeties in the 4th who have high upside but are works in progress. Jammie Robinson, Sidney Brown. Lets see if McD can coach them up.

5. The RB class is extremely deep and talented. You can probably find exactly what you need in the fifth round. I like Johnson as a power back but there are lots of guys who can bring pass pro, run inside the tackles, have speed and can even project as three down backs at the next level. Let DS walk and draft one.

6. A speculative edge rusher or LB?

 

Of course everything will be impacted by moves the team will make in advance of the draft. And I'm assuming Tremaine is not going anywhere in 2023. If he's gone the Bills may look to the draft for a replacement. Actually I'm not sure McD will be able to control himself if Branch and/or Johnson (the safety) is still on the board at 27 (which is likely).

 

[BeastMode54]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ll make sure to make my own lamp post.  I wouldn’t want to waste it in this thread 😘 

Agreed, but there should be more options @ WR than addison, rice and Hyatt.  Flowers, jsn should be included.  Mauch the only OR?  No wright?  O’Torrance as the only og?  
 

just a weird list.  

are you always this happy?

[GolfandBills]

If Bijan Robinson is there at 27 they should do cartwheels to the podium.  No chance he’s there though.  

[Chaos]

Hyatt and Flowers will be mistakes at pick 27.  If those two and Bijan Robinson where there, and no acceptable Olinemen was available, the offense would be more improved with Robinson than any receiver in the draft. 

[billybrew1]

4 hours ago, WMDman said:

Torrence, plug and play RG

If that’s true and if he is a dominant RG in the pros. We can move Bates back to left and we’d be in business on the OL…

But fixing our OL depends largely on KD who called way too many time consuming plays. We’ve got to bring back the short passing game, the easier passing game, to the Bills… We need more easier bread and butter plays…

We need to fix all three…. The playbook, the receivers and the line….

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said:

are you always this happy?

I just said it was a bad list.  Are you always this sensitive?

[JMM]

Not likely but if there Kincaid all day. Matchup nightmare.  Beane alluded to him the other day 

[starrymessenger]

7 minutes ago, JMM said:

Not likely but if there Kincaid all day. Matchup nightmare.  Beane alluded to him the other day 

I think he can make sense if there at 27. If the TE is a really good blocker you are bolstering your o-line. To the extent also a contributor in the passing game you are helping Josh in more than one way. Of course a guy like Kincaid will probably cost your first pick. I think in the long run you might be as well or better served by taking one later in the draft, I would like D. Washington in the third, and use earlier picks elsewhere. But the TE group is strong and the WR group is not the greatest so maybe TE is a better value pick earlier on.

[NeverOutNick]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

You left out John Michael Schmitz. I think he will be in heavy consideration based on his versatility and experience. 

100% I think that’s my guy as well unless someone falls that they just can’t pass on

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, chongli said:

Some well-respected mocks also have us taking WR's Quentin Johnston or Jaxon Smith-Njigba.

“Well respected”  mock drafts before the Combine and Free Agency…?

 

Say it ain’t so bro…

[1st&ten]

5 hours ago, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

Well, I've been in the camp that you don't waste a 1st round pick on a running back & we need offensive lineman but the more highlights I see of Bijan Robinson RB I think our offensive would be deadly with him. The Bills have a tradition of excellent running backs & maybe he could our Thurman for Josh.

[starrymessenger]

6 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

Well, I've been in the camp that you don't waste a 1st round pick on a running back & we need offensive lineman but the more highlights I see of Bijan Robinson RB I think our offensive would be deadly with him. The Bills have a tradition of excellent running backs & maybe he could our Thurman for Josh.

I think it's fair to say that no one player in this draft has the potential to help Josh out more than Bijan. Josh would no longer be RB#1 in our O and Bijan catches anything thrown his way. The other big helper is Addison but I actually think Robinson is more likely to be there at 27. If they were both there (neither is likely to be there, Bijan will go 26 or earlier imo) I would pick Addison and draft an RB in the later rounds.

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

The best “pick” is likely to trade back a little bit so we can get a few extra selections.

 

In a trade-back scenario, I’m looking at Steve Avila or John Michael-Schmitz in the early to mid 2nd round. Avila has experience at G and C, which is very much in the mold of what our staff likes. JMS is a beast and would be a great addition to the line - having him at G now to take over next year at C would be fine as I don’t think we bring Morse back once his contract ends.

 

From there? Your guess is as good as mine. I think Rice is a day 2 pick personally but not sure he’s there at 59. I also don’t think he’s as valuable as either of the above options to be taken ahead of them. He *might* be at 59, the other two (barring a garbage combine) will definitely *not* be there at 59. If we are trading back I think it’s for one of these guys.

 

I’m not sure how I feel about Tank Dell from Houston. He’s a day 2 guy I think who may also be an option at 59. I feel like he’s a guy who SHOULD be taken way earlier than some of his counterparts but his name isn’t coming across as many headlines. Lots of love for Hyatt and Rice lately while, to me, Dell is as good as they are. He’s a weapon for sure. I also like Josh Downs a lot but he’s 100% a slot guy and we have more than enough of them. Great player, bad fit.

 

Voorhis would be a good G to add day 3. He was initially a 5th round projection, I doubt he makes it past the 4th. Could work himself into the late 3rd with an outstanding combine I think.

 

 

 

Back to round 1… I think if someone like Zay Flowers falls you have to really consider him before taking calls to move back. Paris Johnson and Skoronski go here as well but I can’t imagine either of them not being at top-20 pick. Hyatt is interesting but there’s a lot of hype moving him up the boards and I’m not sure he’s worth pick 27 (don’t hate me, I know it’s a bad take)

 

 

Isn’t that also true for Dell who is smaller even than Downs?

[Victory Formation]

There has to be a good WR available at 27, jus’ sayin’.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Hyatt and Flowers will be mistakes at pick 27.  If those two and Bijan Robinson where there, and no acceptable Olinemen was available, the offense would be more improved with Robinson than any receiver in the draft. 

Except who is blocking for him?

[SoCal Deek]

Priority One…..fix the Offensive Line! It may not be sexy but it’ll quietly pay dividends for as long as Josh is a healthy Buffalo Bill. 
 

(Let’s first see what Free Agency has in store.) 

[BillsShredder83]

8 hours ago, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

Sign me up for Addison!

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Except who is blocking for him?

Did you not understand the part about "no acceptable offensive lineman"?

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just love Vorhees anchor in pass pro. When he sets his feet to pass protect, he has that wingspan, he mirrors pass rushers really well.... he is just a hard dude to get by. To me as pass protectors Vorhees is ahead of Torrence and I think he is clearly ahead too. 

FWIW, I agree on Vorhees.  I watched him vs Stanford and Oregon State.  I didn’t see him get beat in pass pro and he is a tenacious run blocker.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Its actually O'Cyrus Torrence, but Cyrus O'Torrence sounds like an Irish mobster character you would find on Peaky Blinders!

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

If Bijan Robinson is there at 27 they should do cartwheels to the podium.  No chance he’s there though.  

 

 

I remember when John Butler said he'd do cartwheels to the podium if hyped Texas A&M RB Leeland McElroy was on the board when the Bills were up in 96'.

 

Instead they took Eric Moulds.

 

Bills haven't passed on RB that's gone in round 1 and regretted it since at least the 1980's..........this time will be no different.   

[Nextmanup]

8 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

DT Jalen Carter 

 

A DT with our first pick is absolutely in the cards with this administration, until they show us otherwise.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

44 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I remember when John Butler said he'd do cartwheels to the podium if hyped Texas A&M RB Leeland McElroy was on the board when the Bills were up in 96'.

 

Instead they took Eric Moulds.

 

Bills haven't passed on RB that's gone in round 1 and regretted it since at least the 1980's..........this time will be no different.   

I remember a similar quote by a Bills GM in 2008, mentioning how excited he would be if Leodis McKelvin was still there. Does this ring a bell?

[phxbacker]

9 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Torrence, imo isn’t a first round pick. He’s also too big. Guys that big usually have trouble controlling their weight. I want no part of the guy. Not to mention he’s a bad scheme fit. 

 

Mike Williams Part 2?

[Simon Says]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

Addison or Torrence for me.

 

Addison is the perfect WR2 for our Offense, and he has WR1 potential down the line. 

 

Torrence is just a monster.  Yea, he's only a Guard.  Won't ever play Tackle.  Isn't a Center.  Do. Not. Care.   Drafting him brings the hope that he will lock down his Guard spot with top tier play for a decade. 

 

If we address Guard and WR in Free Agency, then I'd be ok taking a swing on Bijan Robinson.

 

His first contract will only be 4 years,with the possible 5th year. No guarantee he would be in Buffalo for a decade; free agency,injury,etc.

[TAinLack.]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I remember a similar quote by a Bills GM in 2008, mentioning how excited he would be if Leodis McKelvin was still there. Does this ring a bell?

I never understood a single word when that man spoke!

Edited March 3, 2023 by TAinLA
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[Yantha]

10 hours ago, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

 

Well here's my way too early Big Board for round 1...  Many changes coming after the combine, and free agent period....

 

Tier 1 guys you hope will slip.  Some more or less likely to slip to 27.  

My preference (in order)

S Brian Branch

OT Paris Johnson

OT Peter Skoronski

OT Broderick Jones

CB Devon Witherspoon

CB Christian Gonzalez

CB Joey Porter

DT Jalen Carter

DT Bruam Bresee

DT Calijah Kancey

DE Will Anderson

DE Tyree Wilson

DE Lucas Van Ness

DE Myles Murphy

WR Quentin Johnson

WR Jordan Addison

WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba

WR Zay Flowers

 

Tier 2 picks for #27 (more likely to be available)

OG O'Cyrus Torrence

OT Anton Harrison

LB Diayan Henley

S Antonio Johnson

CB Deonte Banks

CB Tyrique Stevenson

DT Mazi Smith

DE Andre Carter II

DE Nolan Smith

DE Will McDonald

DE BJ Ojulari

WR Nathaniel Dell

 

[John from Riverside]

I personally like to trade down and get an additional second round pick
 

Also, don’t sleep on Steve Avila OG

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, NewEra said:

Just a bad list 

 

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Just a bad class.

 

EDIT: from that list it is Addison. But he won't be there.

 

12 hours ago, LEBills said:

Addison would be the pick but he will be gone by then

 

The best option after that would be to trade down. If not, Darnell Wright from Tennessee

 

So is it a bad list because it's unrealistic that those players will be available at 27 then? Because it looks like a really GOOD list of 27th overall pick talents. 

[GunnerBill]

 

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

So is it a bad list because it's unrealistic that those players will be available at 27 then? Because it looks like a really GOOD list of 27th overall pick talents. 

 

I'll talk you through how I see it:

 

Jordan Addison WR - won't be there.

Jaylin Hyatt WR - not a guy who'd have sniffed the first round last year.

Rashee Rice WR - not a first rounder, even in this class

Bijan Robinson RB - won't be there.

Cyrus O'Torrence OG - not a first rounder. 

Antonio Johnson S - good player, safety in round one would leave a lot of us cold.

Cody Mauch OT - not a first rounder, even in this class.

[GerstAusGosheim]

McDermott for sure will pick a Safety, LB or DL. 

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

 

 

So is it a bad list because it's unrealistic that those players will be available at 27 then? Because it looks like a really GOOD list of 27th overall pick talents. 

I think it’s bad for a couple of the reasons I listed above

[BeastMode54]

I was in no way of saying that it was a definitive list of players that would be there. It's just players I have seen mocked to us. The post was more about who people wanted at 27, and if any of those names seemed like good options. There are definitely other players to be brought up. That's not my wish list, just some of the names I'd seen most often.

[KOKBILLS]

23 hours ago, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

 

I think 27 is too high for Rice, Johnson, and Mauch... O'Torrence is OG only and that's usually not what the Bills prefer on the interior...

 

Addison or Hyatt would be awesome IMHO...But I think Addison goes top 15...Hyatt top 25...

 

I think the most realistic names at 27...Right now at least...Are Zay Flowers, Smith-Njigba, John Michael Schmitz, Joe Tippmann, Darnell Washington, and Steve Avila...When all the workouts are complete, especially Smith-Njigba's 40 time, it should become a little more clear...

[Thurman#1]

19 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

If Bijan Robinson is there at 27 they should do cartwheels to the podium.  No chance he’s there though.  

 

 

If Bijan Robinson is there at 27 we should do cartwheels to the phone and trade back. It does seem a bit unlikely, though.

 

I don't get the sense that the values most folks have reported so far will not change quite a bit in the next couple of weeks, nor that our needs won't look fairly different after FA.

 

I see why people are interested. I just don't think things are clear enough for me yet. One other thing is that from what I see if the values are more on target than I sense they are, I'd rather see them trade back a bit and acquire more picks. But I often want that, and so far Beane has not done a lot of it.

 

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Rebel101]

On 3/2/2023 at 10:38 AM, Gregg said:

Need to build the OL. Best OL available to us is where I would go. The draft board never goes as predicted. Some players stock will fall/rise like it does every draft. There will probably be players available at 27 who weren't expected to be there.

Not if it’s a reach at OL honestly I think we go playmaker bring an element of speed combined with a big frame give Allen more quick strike options that can turn a big play instead of relying on a 60 yard pass 

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

Not if it’s a reach at OL honestly I think we go playmaker bring an element of speed combined with a big frame give Allen more quick strike options that can turn a big play instead of relying on a 60 yard pass 

Exactly. Grab a free agent OL and then another with the 2nd round pick. Winning.

[Rebel101]

On 3/2/2023 at 10:33 AM, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

Everyone is talking OLine which is understandable but the Bengals already proved you can win a playoff game in a dominating fashion against a heavily invested DL with a spotty at best OL with a quick and efficient passing game. Our OL probably wouldn’t be under such scrutiny if the offense wasn’t running every play 20-50 yards down field. The system was a mess and until the coaches figure that out we need to make our offense more potent to be able to strike quickly. I’d say Hyatt if he’s there, or Downs in the second. I actually like Mingo or Hutchinson from Iowa state in the 3rd I believe more then the other 2 picks tho. So with that sentiment in mind OL specifically Paris Johnson Jr The Ohio State. Unless someone unexpected player trips and falls 

[BuffaloRebound]

Take the best player that isn’t a QB or CB.  Stop getting cute and stop exclusively  trying to fill perceived roster holes with our early picks.  Every other front office in NFL knows who we’re targeting with our early picks.  Go get a pro bowl level talent.  McBeane did that before the roster got better, then they started using high draft picks to fill holes instead of taking the best player and letting the coaches figure out how to get the best talent on the field.  Ozzie Newsome was the master of this.